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Memphis Grizzlies Off-Season Thread (NBA DRAFT #19)

Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Sun May 15, 2005 11:19 am

The Grizzlies are on their way to one of the most exciting off-seasons that any team may have due to the fact they have key free agents and alot of depth. Something is bound to happen because of the free agents leaving, so let's take a look at some options that could possibly happen:

1. Addition by subtraction

Well-documented are the real reasons Hubie Brown retired as Grizzlies coach Thanksgiving Day. Player dissension led to health issues that forced Brown to decide between risking his existence over game losses. Point the finger at Jason Williams and Bonzi Wells -- the two most vocal dissenters.

It's been proven by conventional wisdom that those causing problems in the beginning would be at the center of conflict near the end of the Grizzlies' season.

That the team did nothing at the trading deadline and still earned a playoff berth is a credit to coach Mike Fratello's coaching and the hard-workers (i.e. Battier, Lorenzen Wright, Pau Gasol, Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal, etc.) who put winning first.

Ridding the team of constant distractions is the first step toward moving onward and upward. Trading Williams, and a sign-and-trade for Wells (who will not have an $8 million team option exercised) would create a happier locker room and allow for better leadership. Plus, a sign-and-trade involving forward/center Stromile Swift (an unrestricted free agent) would allow the Griz to add toughness and move Wright to the bench behind Gasol, realizing a five-year experiment with Swift failed.

2. Deal for Ray Allen

You're thinking that the last thing this team needs is a shooting guard. But in acquiring Allen, you get a superstar athlete capable of scoring major points and leading the team to victory on any given night. The Grizzlies simply don't have that player. Allen will be available because the cash-strapped Sonics won't want to pay him market value. The Grizzlies could, with multiple players in a sign-and-trade.

This idea will work, depending on how much salary West can dump from the current roster this summer. Because West would also need to convince a cost-cutting owner that he needs to do this to profit and win.

3. Re-sign Watson

Watson is an unrestricted free agent who earned just $1.4 million last season. He'll command some team's mid-level exception (nearly $5 million per year) this summer. A team that needs to improve toughness and grit doesn't need to lose it. Watson, who despite sentiment to the contrary won games for the Griz this season, wants to run his own team. But being a backup on a team that's willing to commit isn't out of his realm of thinking. He wants to be a Grizzly under the right circumstances. The Griz need him, especially with Williams on the roster.

4. Trade for a brute

All we know in three seasons is that Michael Olowokandi went to Minnesota. Jerome James stayed in Seattle. Erick Dampier went to Dallas. And Nazr Mohammed ended up at San Antonio. OK, so the Grizzlies have tried but failed in trying to obtain a rebounding, defensive-minded and physical big man. Package the 19th overall draft pick with Brian Cardinal and Jake Tsakalidis and come away with a bodyguard for Gasol.

5. Identify West's replacement

Anyone who believes that Jerry West will remain in his role as team president beyond next season is living on Fantasy Island. Part of West's four-year commitment is to ensure the Griz maintain a level of professionalism and competitiveness that he established. Just as West left the Lakers in good shape with a clear right-hand man, he should hire someone who will carry on his philosophy before next season.
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1. Keep Jason Williams

Call me crazy or call J-Will crazy (he would agree), but despite his flaws, he's the only Griz guard capable of breaking down a defender off the dribble and making the impossible shot.

No, he doesn't play great defense and granted it would be nice to see him spend more time in a defensive stance, because he has the quickness and the hands to disrupt. But how many great point guards are dynamic stoppers? Steve Nash, league MVP? Don't think so. Tony Parker? Jason Kidd? Nope.

Granted, J-Will can be a problem child, such as griping about playing time, or sometimes getting into his own little world on the bench. Maybe you solve that by naming him a permanent team co-captain with Shane Battier. Jerry West needs to tell J-Will that for better or for worse, he's the Griz's starting point guard and he needs to show the maturity of someone about to start his eighth pro season.

2. Large, angry presence in the middle

Make no mistake, this isn't a knock against Lorenzen Wright. How can you be critical of a guy, who in his ninth season, had one of the best years of his career? He played in more games this season than ever in his career and he brought it every night.

But if the Griz want to move up the NBA food chain, especially in the Western Conference, they've got to a find physical, big body. That's easier said than done. The list is limited.

Seattle's Jerome James (7-1, 272) is a free agent, but also a huge puzzle. He has career regular season averages of 4.9 points and 3.5 rebounds in 15.2 minutes, yet has started 160 of 268 regular season games. But so far in the playoffs, he's playing like a man (15 points, 8.2 rebounds) who wants to be offered a nice contract somewhere.

There's also a list of other unproven commodities, such as Chicago's Eddy Curry, Seattle's Vitaly Potapenko.

Personally, I'd go after Nene of the Nuggets. He has a year left on his contract (the last year on a four-year deal), he's a chiseled 6-11, 260, he turns 23 in September and he's hungry because his playing time has dropped with the addition of Marcus Camby. He doesn't mind beating on people -- he almost broke Pau Gasol's nose a year ago.

Pau needs an enforcer to deal some pain, and Nene might be the man to do it if a trade can be made.

In going after free agents, you must understand that the Grizzlies are up against the odds. Not only is money a factor, but Memphis is simply not as attractive, considering the history of the franchise and the city lacking a cosmopolitan feel.

3. Sign-and-trades with Watson, Swift

You'd like to get something out of Earl Watson and Stromile Swift before they jump ship.

More teams than you think covet Swift, whose mind-boggling athleticism is overshadowed by his game-to-game inconsistency. And there's the thought that his game would improve if he could play power forward instead of an undersized center.

Watson should also have his pick of teams, because those in the know in the league appreciate Watson's work ethic and his professionalism. If Earl can keep working on his shot and start consistently knocking down the open jumper, he could become a starter somewhere in the league.

4. Get Dahntay Jones on the floor more

No Griz player improved as much from last year to this as did Jones, a 6-6 swingman.

His outside shot took a huge leap (25 percent in 3s last year to 38.3 percent this year), he made better decisions and no other Griz could beat a defender off the dribble and elevate on drives like Jones. Plus, he loves defense and is fearless.

In a four-game stretch in February when he played 30 minutes per game (because of injuries to other players), he averaged 14 points, shot 50 percent from the field and 71.4 percent in 3s. And in the two playoff games he played 29 or more minutes, he averaged 11 points and 4.5 rebounds.

5. Unleash the monster in Pau Gasol

When you're paid to be the man, you must play like you're the man. Gasol has to bring it every night.

He needs to find a drill sergeant personal trainer for cardio and muscle, then have someone close to his size beat on him every day in one-on-one post drills. The only way to learn how to consistently play aggressively and physically, to obtain that mentality, is to practice against it to the point where playing that way is second nature.

As indicated by his jaw-dropping second playoff game against the Suns -- 28 points, 16 rebounds, 5 assists -- Gasol has the talent and beast within him. There's no excuse for him not averaging a double-double.


Feel free to post what you think the Grizzlies will do and I will stick with this thread throughout the off-season. Might as well join the bandwagon with everyone posting team threads. :roll:
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Postby Its_asdf on Sun May 15, 2005 11:30 am

Hmmm.... I think the Grizz better shell out some money for Watson, because he can clearly play, and I just love players who leave out on the floor for the team like he does. I don't like Jason Williams. He's nearly 30 and still acts like a child, and the shots that he takes during games are really questionable. I agree with the Dahntay Jones thing, even though I only saw a handful of Grizzlies games I loved watching Dahntay play. His shooting isn't as bad as many people think and his hops are incredible. :shock: I don't think the Grizz would want to get Ray Allen though, he's demanding way too much money for my taste and signing someone as big as Allen could only be bad for the Grizz's cap space.

I can't wait until James Posey gets back into the way he was a year ago. I loved that guy. :D
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Sun May 15, 2005 12:37 pm

It's_Asdf wrote:Hmmm.... I think the Grizz better shell out some money for Watson, because he can clearly play, and I just love players who leave out on the floor for the team like he does. I don't like Jason Williams. He's nearly 30 and still acts like a child, and the shots that he takes during games are really questionable. I agree with the Dahntay Jones thing, even though I only saw a handful of Grizzlies games I loved watching Dahntay play. His shooting isn't as bad as many people think and his hops are incredible. :shock: I don't think the Grizz would want to get Ray Allen though, he's demanding way too much money for my taste and signing someone as big as Allen could only be bad for the Grizz's cap space.

I can't wait until James Posey gets back into the way he was a year ago. I loved that guy. :D


Well I'm a big fan of Earl as well. One interesting stat is that he averaged 16ppg and 8apg when he started for the Grizzlies in 14 games. His defense is unbelievable and he started the season out well shooting good from the outside, but as the season continued, his shooting average went down. I'm pretty sure if he wants a starting spot in this league, he will definitely work hard in the summer on his jumper. If he does, I wouldn't mind keeping him over Jwill and trading Jwill for a big guy.

You could also look at Dahntay during the summer league and tell that he improved on his shot because he was shooting in the 40% range during the summer league and averaging around 16-18ppg, when in his rookie season, he didn't have such a great summer league. He has the potential of becoming a great player on Memphis if he continues to work hard and he just gets minutes like what was mentioned above.

Memphis will have to go after some type of superstar if they plan on getting anywhere in the playoffs. Ray Allen is one option, but I see Larry Hughes being a guy that we should be interested in. Washington may be interested in Stromile and Bonzi, and we could possibly issue a sign and trade for Hughes and maybe someone else. There are many options out there as far as star players go, but you have to be careful. I just hope West makes the big move and go for one of them. I was hoping for Posey to be that go-to-guy for us this year, but he was out for 29 games and didn't really get a chance to get in a groove, but that's the main reason why he will return for next season because you couldn't tell if he was going to have that type of season or not due to the injuries. He did average 8.1ppg and 4.4rpg in a horrible season for him which is pretty good with him coming off the bench most of the time. During the month of February, he was doing great once he came back and scored in double digits in 6 out of the 12 games, but he got injured once again in the last two games of the month.
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Sun May 15, 2005 2:05 pm

Here are a few more off-season scenarios:

First Option

:arrow: Trade Posey, Humphrey (S&T), and J-Will and 1at pick for Miller, Nene,Buckner, and 2nd pick (they need a guard/small forward and we need a big man)(the point guard switch is just for Fratello)

:arrow: Trade Swift (S&T), Wells, and Tsakalidis for Ray Allen and Robert Swift (We get a superstar and a potential good big man

:arrow: Trade Earl Watson (S&T) and Cardinal to Bulls for Williams and Nocioni (We get another PG to back up Burks as own third and a younger version of Cardinal)

:arrow: Draft a PF with Nuggets pick

LINEUP:
C-Nene
F-Gasol
F-M.Miller
G-Allen
G-A.Miller

C-Wright
F-Nocioni
F-Battier
G-Jones
G-Burks

C-R.Swift
F-(Draft)
F-Emmett
G-Buckner
G-F.Williams


Second Option

:arrow: Trade Swift (S&T) and Tsakalidis for Magloire and Lampe (We get a big body in Jamal and potential in Lampe)

:arrow: Trade J-Will to Minnesota for Cassell (We get a big game vet)

:arrow: Trade Posey and Wells for Allen (We get the superstar we need)

:arrow: Draft a PF (let Humphrey go)

:arrow: Sign PG (Watson gone) and SG

LINEUP:
C-Magloire
F-Gasol
F-Miller
G-Allen
G-Cassel

C-Wright
F-Cardinal
F-Battier
G-Jones
G-Burks

C-Lampe
F-Draft
F-Emmett
G-FA
G-FA
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Postby air gordon on Mon May 16, 2005 5:39 am

wow those were all your words :shock:

"cosmopolitan feel" :lol:

lol better double check on your inside sources.
1st off, frank williams is a FA and the salaries are nowhere near to even being close, even if watson and williams signed for $1

and most importantly, the bulls have nothing to gain from this trade :lol:
cardinal is just an overpaid wanna be nocioni armed with a terrible long term contract :roll:
and the bulls don't need another pg! :lol:

what team will be stupid enough to trade for the combination of swift & wells? swift hasn't proved he's good enough for a team to bite the bullet and take on a punk like wells. and this isn't even factoring the contract wells will get. see the raptors who couldn't get teams to bite on a package of rose & marshall




at least start a team thread based on reality :roll: :lol:
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Mon May 16, 2005 6:41 am

air gordon wrote:wow those were all your words :shock:

"cosmopolitan feel" :lol:

lol better double check on your inside sources.
1st off, frank williams is a FA and the salaries are nowhere near to even being close, even if watson and williams signed for $1

and most importantly, the bulls have nothing to gain from this trade :lol:
cardinal is just an overpaid wanna be nocioni armed with a terrible long term contract :roll:
and the bulls don't need another pg! :lol:

what team will be stupid enough to trade for the combination of swift & wells? swift hasn't proved he's good enough for a team to bite the bullet and take on a punk like wells. and this isn't even factoring the contract wells will get. see the raptors who couldn't get teams to bite on a package of rose & marshall




at least start a team thread based on reality :roll: :lol:


No, actually the last post came from just any ordinary fan making his own predictions. And weren't you the one saying how much the Bulls needed Wells and that you wouldn't mind the Bulls getting him because you all need that one-on-one post type player in a guard? As for Cardinal being an overpaid wannabe, he puts up good numbers when he gets the time. When he started for the Grizzlies when Stro and Pau was out, he was averaging 17ppg and when they need him to score, he will score, but his main job is hustle. I know there will be alot of teams going out Swift in the off-season because no one wanted him, there wouldn't be no problem with the Grizzlies resigning him without any other offers coming from another team. If the Bulls end up losing either Chandler or Curry, they'll definitely take a look at Swift.
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Postby air gordon on Mon May 16, 2005 7:04 am

plagiarism :scold:

yes i was also the one who mentioned in so many words that wells has $1mil talent, but $1 brain/attitude. stop using selective memory :lol:

again, the bulls have a salary friendly player and equally efficient nocioni, it would be idiotic to trade him for a long term, overpaid hustle player in cardinal

i have no idea what you are saying about swift lol. getting swift and getting swift at the price of taking on wells are 2 different things.

Paxson stated publicly several times that he will be resigning both players. Chandler and Curry have also said they want to come back. and just to let you know, they would have enough cap to bring a top talent (like ray allen) if for some insane reason one of those 2 don't resign.
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Mon May 16, 2005 11:00 am

Well my bad for pasting something a fan wrote on the Grizzlies forum. :roll:

As for what you said about Wells, I know you mentioned that you liked him and wouldn't mind the Bulls picking him up. I'm pretty sure Chicago would want him and would sign him or Swift if one of the Bulls key players left this off-season. You can't also say that Chandler and Curry are locked to becoming Bulls next season etiher becaue that's just an opinion. It's different when you see the money looming in your eyes, then things may chance just like what Boozer did.

The point I was trying to bring up about Swift, is that if Curry or Chandler left the team, Memphis could do a sign-and-trade with Chicago and the Bulls could pay Swift the same amount of money they were planning on giving Chandler or Curry. In Chicago, I think Swift would really blossom, due to the fact he could possibly start and may end up starting. I still kind of want Memphis to keep him because I would like to start him for entire season instead of letting him come off the bench, then see what we can get with Gasol who is our "so-called" best player. Memphis can most likely get more for Pau than they can Swift, and when you start Swift, you get Pau-like numbers with more blocks. The only thing West messed up on was giving Pau the max.
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Postby Riot on Mon May 16, 2005 12:19 pm

mafia this thread sucks (N)

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Postby air gordon on Mon May 16, 2005 3:08 pm

yes: your bad for pasting something a fan wrote on the Grizzlies forum. you probably would continue to pass those words as your own had i not called you out on them :roll:

yes, the bulls could use wells, if he would FIX HIS ATTITUDE. history is against him at this point and please don't bring up that whole debacle about him being the angel yet he was suspended incident.

paxson spent last season getting rid of punks like bonzi wells, how the hell are you sure he wants one back now :roll: :lol:

nothing is 100% until it happens but when paxson has repeatedly said he will resign them and the players said they want to resign, it's very likely it's going to happen. lol i can post quotes if you're not satisfied. while on your side, your claim is baseless. the best you can come up with is some strawman argument like , "well, we're not in the GM's shoes" or refer to the boozer incident, which is an entirely different situation. do i have to explain that one to you too? :roll:

your point is moot since in that hypothetical situation, it would be ridiculous for the bulls to work a sign and trade for swift when THEY CAN OUTRIGHT SIGN HIM. memphis would be lucky just to get anything for swift, a unrestricted FA :roll:

lmao, pope
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Postby AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy on Mon May 16, 2005 3:28 pm

yes: your bad for pasting something a fan wrote on the Grizzlies forum. you probably would continue to pass those words as your own had i not called you out on them


Holy... take it easy kid, the point of this thread is to comment on the Griz's offseason, not to critiscize about who had the original idea... (N)

paxson spent last season getting rid of punks like bonzi wells, how the hell are you sure he wants one back now


Now if he really wanted to get rid of headcases, he'd have traded Curry away in a heartbeat. Plus you can never ascertain an ex- great shooter/now GM's motivations... think Danny Ainge and 'Toine... :lol:


nothing is 100% until it happens but when paxson has repeatedly said he will resign them and the players said they want to resign, it's very likely it's going to happen.


Remember that 'headcase' mention a few lines back? Wait till Eddie requests maximum and then we'll see what Pax will do... :roll:
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Postby COOLmac© on Mon May 16, 2005 3:56 pm

my advice......have a don poeir jersey hang in the rafters.....maybe he'll be your "sixth man" if you guys do so......
anyways Sbhzmafia......my man even if you're not the author of those words you just posted, now i know you really are a fan...J.will and Pau will be proud of you (Y) (Y) (Y)
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Postby air gordon on Mon May 16, 2005 4:32 pm

ok. this "kid" will take it easy and be proud of mafia for plagiarizing, not bother discussing how curry is not even being close to being a punk like wells, or how paxson doesn't double talk like ainge because he's actually been good on his word, or how curry will not get a max contract because of his heart condition

besides, i'm feeling cheated in this discussion. i bring up valid points while mafia uses the "if you buy a lottery ticket, you'll win" theory.

like trading a michael jordan card for a brad sellers card :lol:
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Postby AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy on Mon May 16, 2005 5:33 pm

this "kid" will take it easy and be proud of mafia for plagiarizing


Yes,do that... :roll:

curry is not even being close to being a punk like wells


wait till he gets some more money, lose his incentive and come back and talk to me...

curry will not get a max contract because of his heart condition


True. Lots can happen in the summer, though... :wink:

like trading a michael jordan card for a brad sellers card


:shock: I think each one of you is heavily biased towards his own team and cannot see the middle truth... :D
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Postby The X on Mon May 16, 2005 7:05 pm

I still can't get past Eddy Curry's rebounding average (5.4 per game) :wink: he's as much of a max player as Zach Randolph and Kenyon Martin....meaning he ain't one....

as for Grizzlies....
get rid of Wells....
get rid of Swift....
get rid of J-Will....
keep Earl Watson....
make a package deal....
addition by subtraction....
interior toughness....
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Postby J@3 on Mon May 16, 2005 7:23 pm

Lol @ the Cardinal for Nocioni trade. Is that trade only viable on the off chance that Homer becomes the GM of the Bulls?

Anyways, can I get a link to this plagiurism stuff? Sounds interesting.
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Tue May 17, 2005 2:11 am

air gordon, the point of this thread is to speculate like i said. I'm not bringing up actual FACTS. The point of the thread is to talk about possible deals or just discuss what the Grizzlies can try to do this off-season, not to say "The Grizzlies WILL do this in the off-season". The reason why I'm not bringing up FACTS is because I'm not suppose to bring up FACTS. It's my opinion and other Grizz fans opinions on what the off-season could possibly bring. So the whole thing your talking about doesn't really matter.

As for the plagiarising thing, I know it's not right to take from what people write, but as for what the guy wrote on the Grizzlies forum isn't anything important enough to consider that something bad by copying it. Notice that I said "Here are a few more off-season scenarios". Now if someone from ESPN wrote some off-season scenarios that could happen like a trade, then that wouldn't exactly be plagiarising either unless you copied the entire article and said it was YOUR scenarios. I never said they were mine or he's and I didn't mean for them to be mine if that's what you are thinking, but I just pointed out that they are some more Grizzlies scenarios that can happen.

I don't want this thread to become a 1-on-1 discussion about whats right and what is a fact and what is plagiarsm, I want it to be a discussion on the off-season of the Memphis Grizzlies and you don't have to bring up stuff about the Bulls all because some player names were mentioned in a trade SCENARIO. Yea you can voice your opinion, but don't turn it into a Bulls thread by keep talking about Paxson doing this and that.

I still can't get past Eddy Curry's rebounding average (5.4 per game) he's as much of a max player as Zach Randolph and Kenyon Martin....meaning he ain't one....

as for Grizzlies....
get rid of Wells....
get rid of Swift....
get rid of J-Will....
keep Earl Watson....
make a package deal....
addition by subtraction....
interior toughness....


I agree with that because Memphis does need a strong PF/C that can bruise players and just grab boards and block shots. IMO, Watson is a much hard-worker than Jwill and for Jwill to almost be 30, he shouldn't be acting immature right now. Watson is much long term because I think he is only 25.

Lol @ the Cardinal for Nocioni trade. Is that trade only viable on the off chance that Homer becomes the GM of the Bulls?

Anyways, can I get a link to this plagiurism stuff? Sounds interesting.


Well Homer could be Paxson :lol: I know that trade scenario was a little out of hand, but you never know. I'm pretty sure if it was the right offer by Memphis, the Bulls would accept it. As for the plaigarising thing, you can look at what I wrote above. :lol:
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Postby air gordon on Tue May 17, 2005 5:44 am

dweaver.. settle on a SN then maybe i'll be cool enough to have a discussion with you.

mafia- don't cry foul and discount my posts just because it's raining on your memphis grizz parade of golden optimism.

don't act surprised if i'm going to reply to any of your bogus claims invovling one-sided trade scenarios involving the bulls. you would be replying if i made some stupid trade scenario involving antonio davis and duhon for pau gaosl lol

why are you having a problem with me shooting down your nocioni-cardinal one sided deal? i've clearly pointed out that that trade does NOT work according to the salary cap rules. this isn't opinion. this is FACT. nevermind that again, the bulls have nothing to gain in this scenario. but hey, then again we're allowed to speculate, so that allows you to distort reality and say it's still possible

or your hypothetical situation where the bulls would trade for swift when they could just outright sign him since they could afford him. oh yeh, that's right, you're going to pull that speculation card again.

or this wells thing. even after Paxson spent his 1st year as GM getting rid players like wells, you claim he'll be interested in bringing one back. this is the same GM who included marshall in the toronto trade just so he can get rid of rose. oh yeh, there it is again, it's possible because speculation makes dreams come true.

and you even admit to jae whatever offer was out of hand and still claim "you never know".

this is ridiculous. all of sudden the words of the biggest grizz homer in this forum have more credence then the GM of another team.

mafia- if you can't stand to have negative talk about 'your' memphis grizzlies, then i suggest you rent a room with the rest of homer grizz fans so you all can hold each other
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Postby Rip32 on Tue May 17, 2005 6:19 am

Im hopping on the grizzlies band wagon right now. :lol:
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Postby AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy on Tue May 17, 2005 6:28 am

dweaver.. settle on a SN then maybe i'll be cool enough to have a discussion with you.


Looks like a third member has been added to the infamous, by now, tide... :roll:

Im hopping on the grizzlies band wagon right now.


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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Tue May 17, 2005 6:54 am

I'm not cry fouling your posts because most of the stuff I'm saying is what an off-season thread suppose to be about and that's discussing the off-season oppurtunities the Grizzlies have in making a trade or some scenario.

And ok, I had 1 one-sided deal which was the Cardinal-Nocioni. Since it's one-sided then leave it alone, its over. If you want, you can come up with your own deal that you would like for the Bulls to make with Memphis.

As for saying the Bulls can just sign Swift, the Grizzlies can still match any offer for Swift and even though we won't have the money, West can go over and still go after Swift until the teams stop offering more money. Sure Swift can sign to whichever teams he wants, but he can take whichever offer he wants as well.

Bonzi has a thing where most people think he is a bad player and of course he is bad, but his problem in Memphis wasn't bad enough to the point of where all this heated arguments start coming up. Now in Portland, it was a different story. IMO he did well in Memphis and I don't even think he should go, so sure, you can go by what he has done in the past, but you can't always judge people from the past. There have been many changes around the league when a player leaves a team and Bonzi was one of those players until Fratello got into with him. Paxson forgot to trade a couple of more players with attitude problems if he got rid of Rose.


As my final thought, I would like to say, I can take negative talk about the Grizzlies, but you keep making this a plagiarism/Bulls thread instead of bringing up things about what you think Memphis should do/need to do or whatever. Yes, you can say negative things about Memphis, but why keep talking about Paxson taking on Swift and Wells. Swift and Wells can go to any other 28 teams in the NBA other than the Bulls, so instead of keep talking about that, talk about who would want Swift and Bonzi and what you would offer for them.
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Postby air gordon on Tue May 17, 2005 8:47 am

dweaver.. stop rolling your eyes, discuss on topic,l and try to back up your points rather then generalizing.. then i'll reply to your post. otherwise....

mafia: i'm not turning this into a bulls thread lol. you mentioned some possible scenarios involving the bulls so i'm giving my takes on them. you know.. a discussion? your speculating that paxson would want whatever memphis players and i'm telling you why he doesn't want that player based on his comments/actions throughout the year. simple as that.

i don't want to propose any deals with memphis. Paxson has stated he wants to keep the core intact and wants to preserve the cap space for 2006. i choose to believe his word thus i don't want to dream up any fantasy scenarios

and swift is an UNRESTRICTED free agent, meaning no offer sheet or anything like that. he can sign outright to any team he wants. now in theory, west could "match" offers but he'd better make sure swift doesn't sign any contract with another team, otherwise it's over. btw- where's this imaginary cap coming from if memphis doesn't have the cap?

we'll see how much of an angel bonzi is by the team he goes to/contract he gets... i'm not a believer at this point

please stop misquoting me.. i didn't say paxon wants swift and wells

as far as i'm concerned, you can't take negative talk about the grizz. just look at your responses. i've backed up my posts with valid points while you just keep on saying "oh well this is only for speculation" or "stop making this a bulls thread"
Paxson forgot to trade a couple of more players with attitude problems if he got rid of Rose.

who and based on what? btw- no bulls were suspended for behavior reasons/attitude problems by the team this year
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Postby AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy on Tue May 17, 2005 8:58 am

dweaver.. stop rolling your eyes, discuss on topic,l and try to back up your points rather then generalizing.. then i'll reply to your post. otherwise....


Which topic? The "what should the Griz do" one or the "Don't insult my Bulls by suggesting stupid trades" one? :roll: Oops, I did it again...
just try and be a littl emore courteous and less ironic to people, even if you do not agree with what they're saying. Case Closed. :lol:

Anyway, I agree about the invalidity of most of the transactions Mafia posted, and I agree with you that Wells would not find his way to Chicago as long as JP is not willing to touch him even with a barge pole. And Curry along with Ty Chan will stay if they get the money they want. Problem is, they may want TOO MUCH money. If either one or both hit the road, then Stromile Swift will be an option for them.

Nocioni is not moving from the Windy City though, at least not for scraps...
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Postby air gordon on Tue May 17, 2005 9:38 am

thanks, dweaver... i'll reply to you when you're not calling me "kid" or calling me a homer.

see i don't mind mafia coming up with stupid trades but for him to keep on insisting they will happen because of the "lightning can strike twice in the same spot" theory... now that's just going too far

where are you getting this information of tyson and curry asking for "TOO MUCH money"? i haven't even heard anything from their agents about demanding the max! are you generalizing??
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Postby Riot on Tue May 17, 2005 9:41 am

Mafia, the only problem with this is you are like the only Memphis Grizzlies fan.
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