fight in the palace of auburn hills

by **j.23** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:50 pm

holy shit ron artest and JO are getting pegged while getting back into the locker room.. apparently it started when ron artest fouled ben wallace.. big ben gets pissed, shoves artest in the face.. then everyone gets involved.. don't know how it escalated into the stands.. stephen jackson SMOKES a fan, fred jones get SMOKED by a fan.. this is crazy!

by **iKe7in** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:52 pm

I'm watchin the highlights on The Score, and the Pacers started fighting fans!!! Stephen Jackson punched some guy, and Fred Jones got afew shots in the head from some guy.
FINALLY, OLD TIME HOCKEY!!!!!!

by **-BHZMAFIA-** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:52 pm

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~nbalive/ph ... hp?t=19053

by **iKe7in** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:54 pm

SbHZmAFiA wrote:http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~nbalive/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19053

ya, thanks for poiting that out.
theres already 3 threads about this, and yours has the vaguest title

by **j.23** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:54 pm

that was insane, game's called off w/ 30 ticks left

by **Matthew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:56 pm

Fuck Detroit

Ben Wallace was playing hard, But to react like that to Ron Artest (who is no choir boy obviously) is stupid. The "fans" are a crock.. just becuase their team lost gives them no right to act like that. I wish Ronny broke that cunts neck.

by **j.23** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:00 pm

detroit fans are a bunch of punks.. artest shouldn't have gone up the stands, but it's pretty easy to see that he was provocated to do so

by **MaD_hAND1e** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:01 pm

j.23 wrote: don't know how it escalated into the stands..

Artest was lying on the scorers table, and a fan throws a can of beer at him. The Detroit fans are crazy, they were pouring beer and other stuff on the pacers when they went back to the locker room.

This whole incident was uncalled for.... you can't blame Ben Wallace, because it was a fired up and emotional game, and I think Artest conducted himself pretty well for not going back at Wallace when he shoved him, but the fan who threw the beer at Artest was just random.
hmm... I wonder how the league will react to this.

by **j.23** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:05 pm

yup just saw it on the score.. it doesn't even seem like artest's foul on wallace was a big deal.. he just hacked his arm somewhat and for some fucking reason wallace took exception to it.. probably because they were losing by 15 or whatever.. but yeah, i don't really blame artest for acting the way he did.. he was walking away from wallace and he wasn't trying to instigate anything till that fucking punk dumped his drink on him, then some other fucker started laying punches on him.. that whole incident was totally uncalled for

by . on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:06 pm

I wonder how the league will react to this.

They get pissed for using a iPod during warming up...just imagine how they will react for something like that

by **MaD_hAND1e** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:08 pm

Yea... you really can't blame Wallace, his team had cut the lead to 5, and suddenly the lead goes back up to 14 in a minute, that has to be frustrating for him. John Saunders from ESPN was really pissed off at the Detroit fans

by **Matthew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:09 pm

They could start by stripping detroit of their championship :twisted:

those dickheads... John Saunders said it right. You dont throw a beer or take a shot at someone when they arent looking, do it right. Artest was clearly provoked by wallace, he just took it like a man and then a fan throws a beer bottle at him. Like i said before: "Fuck detroit"

by **j.23** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:10 pm

the guy who threw the drink at artest was a fucking geek, he was a pinner little shit wearing glasses and a hat.. artest totally palmed his face and threw him down.. jesus i would never want to get that guy angry

by **Matthew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:11 pm

Yea... you really can't blame Wallace

Yeah how dare someone foul "big bad" ben wallace. The whole pistons team are a joke (rasheed excluded)

by **MaD_hAND1e** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:12 pm

The incident on the court was nothing... but i just see no reason for the fans to get involved, poor decision making on the fan's part.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:14 pm

(I deleted the other threads as this one has more replies and has the most specific title - my apologies to Mafia and Drex, nothing personal guys

This was absolutely disgraceful. Since I had the "privilege" to watch this game, I got to see the whole shameful debacle.

Ron Artest's foul was perhaps a little harder than it needed to be given they were already looking at taking home the victory and this is just one game early in the regular season. But Ben Wallace's overreaction was simply unacceptable and showed absolutely no class. What followed was a complete joke, an utter disgrace to NBA basketball.

Players charging into the stands, Stephen Jackson throwing a punch which seemed to be aimed at a fan, officials and coaches basically having to hold everyone back...and then on top of that, fans pelting players with whatever they have to throw after their own player stepped out of line. I mean no offense to any Pistons fans and I'm not about to make a broad generalisation, but there were some people in the crowd (like the guy who ran onto the court) who should be ashamed of themselves. Another case of a few people (players included) ruining it for everyone else.

The NBA has been a bit silly with fines and legislation lately (Vince Carter's iPod, Mark Cuban), but I want to see them throw the book at a few people here. I'm all for intense rivalries, but this just isn't done. For once, I have to agree with Bill Walton and co. This was just shameful.

(And on a lighter note, I also have to quote Comic Book Guy: "There's no emoticon for what I'm feeling!"

)

by **Matthew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:14 pm

Yeah thats true.. But Wallace didnt have to react like that either. It was a soft foul.. shoot your free throws, lose the game, move on... simple. These are sposed to be the world champions :roll:

by **Little_Big_Man** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:16 pm

Man that fight was crazy. The fans were totally out of line and I would expect for a lot of people to get arrested tonight. I wonder what the league is going to do with the players involved in the fan fighting??

by **Matthew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:17 pm

Thats the sad thing, this was a great game. I spose the NBA needs the heated rivalry, but for the fans to throw a beer bottle at a player who has already "turned the other cheek" to ben wallace.. the fans got what they deserve. The pacers deserve an apology... I wonder if Les Davidson did anything to try and stop it, he was courtside.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:21 pm

When Vernon "Mad Max" Maxwell charged into the fans and punched a fan back in 1995, he was suspended for at least 11 games if I recall correctly. I wouldn't be surprised if they suspended a couple of players for at least 3 games. With so many games left in the regular season, the NBA probably isn't too concerned about substantial punishments for big draws. If a lot of guys get suspended, they'll probably break it up over a couple of weeks too, else the rosters for both teams would be too depleted.

by **NNpF** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:22 pm

I now know the whole story, and trust me, what Artest did was uncalled for:

We all know it started with a foul on Ben Wallace by Ron Artest, it wasn't a really hard foul but Artest did give Wallace a shove. Wallace then reacted by pushing Artest in the face, Artest then backed away and he laid down on the scorers table while Wallace tries to get at him.

A fan then throws a drink at Artest's face and Artest then gets up and punches the fan in the face. Then Stephen Jackson and Fred Jones get involved, and they take and give shots to the fans.

Then as the Pacers leave the Arena they are absolutlely drenched in popcorn and drinks, even Jermaine O'neal who did nothing what so ever.

Artest also kicked a fans ass giving him a good 5-6 punches.

So as I see it, Wallace had no reason to give Artest that shove. Artest did a smart thing by backing away, then that fan that threw the drink deserves to be shot. How can he be such an idiot, if anyones to blame it is him.

He deserved to get his ass kicked, he know Artest is a guy with a short temper and does not care about anybody really, and he will retaliate.

Stephen Jackson shouldn't have gotten involved in the crowds at all.

But when the fans drenched Jermaine O'neal that what really got to me, the guy had nothing to do with anything that happened and the fans are just lucky he was held back because he would have caused a lot more damage than Artest.

There will obviously be some large suspensions handed out to Artest and Jackson. And a couple of games to Wallace and one game each for Billups and Campbell for leaving the bench during an altercation.

by **Matthew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:26 pm

You're right, but it's wrong. The NBA will suspend pacers, but they shouldn't. The players shouldnt be there for the fans to take out frustrations physically. I wish ronny snaped that fan, i really do.

by **Matt** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:28 pm

hehe, quite funny. This was a long time coming. I believe J O'Neal started on Corliss Williamson a cpl of years back before Ben Wallace stepped in.

I don't care if Wallace was unsportsmanlike, Artest deserved an ass kicking. Just like Fortson deserved it last season, just like Okur deserved it a few nights ago.

Good thing Wallace isn't gonna take shit from a punk like Artest.

by **Matthew** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:30 pm

We all know it started with a foul on Ben Wallace by Ron Artest, it wasn't a really hard foul but Artest did give Wallace a shove. Wallace then reacted by pushing Artest in the face, Artest then backed away and he laid down on the scorers table while Wallace tries to get at him.

You have to be kidding. Artest didnt shove wallace at all. Those spastic piston fans.. i bet you indy grows stronger from this. I think i have myself a new favourite to win the championship.

by **NNpF** on Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:31 pm

Matt wrote:hehe, quite funny. This was a long time coming. I believe J O'Neal started on Corliss Williamson a cpl of years back before Ben Wallace stepped in.

I don't care if Wallace was unsportsmanlike, Artest deserved an ass kicking. Just like Fortson deserved it last season, just like Okur deserved it a few nights ago.

Good thing Wallace isn't gonna take shit from a punk like Artest.

Artest did nothing to deserve something like that from Wallace. Whether you like Artest or not, there are harder fouls than that happening a lot all the time and rarely do you see a player retaliate like Wallace did.

It wasn't even that hard of a foul, Wallace was just frustrated that the Pistons were outplayed through out the whole game.

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