Hawks AND Nuggets offer Kenyon Martin Maximum

by **Amphatoast** on Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:05 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1836768
in summary, the Hawks offer Kenyon Martin the maximum 6 year deal and he is expected to sign this offer. Doesn't look good for Nets fans (N)

If the nuggets give him the same offer, he will sign there offer sheet, but Martin out of NJ is looking very high now

by **RedTorro** on Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:23 am

Well he always says he wants to win but I think this situation will make him put his money where his mouth is. If he signs with the miserable hawks then we really know what he cares about. Right now the Clippers are a better team than the Hawks, what does that tell you?

by **FanOfAll** on Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:20 am

I sort of want to see him go to the Hawks...a core of Terry, Childress and Martin is a good one for a few years. I wonder if they could bring the Hawks back to reality.

by **Jackal** on Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:47 am

I don't think Martin would change much, I dont think he could lead the Hawks anywhere, he would just get frustrated and all that anger management would go right down the drain.

I think signing with Denver would be a good option, if they make an offer that is.

Denver has more potential to win I think.

by **fgrep15** on Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:41 am

Jackal wrote:I don't think Martin would change much, I dont think he could lead the Hawks anywhere, he would just get frustrated and all that anger management would go right down the drain.

I think signing with Denver would be a good option, if they make an offer that is.

Denver has more potential to win [b]I think.[/b]

You think?
We're comparing to the Hawks here, of course they have more potential to win lol

by **The Big Racist** on Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:08 am

STFU! Jackal,Im gonna turn the Hawks around 360 degrees,I know Im gonna win and I don't need that anger management program anymore+Im richer than ever before...I would go to Denver but I might get charged with rape there. Hawks will do....get of my case or I'll shut this fourm down! (Y)

by **j.23** on Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:23 am

wtf is k-mart thinking, i hope he doesnt leave nj.. him, kidd and rj made a really good trio..

if he decides to go to the hawks, i hope he turns out like grant hill

by **Jackal** on Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:56 am

j.23 wrote:if he decides to go to the hawks, i hope he turns out like grant hill

Wow, that's some serious shit right there.

If he's in his right state of mind, he won't do it. He's the leader of the Nets behind J-Kidd. Kidd won't be around forever.

To Martin (the poster): ehm...alright. :wink:

by **Ruff Ryder** on Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:02 pm

I think the Hawks will be decent, considering it is still the Eastern Conference....Wait-Minny! :shock:

Anyway, Terry+Jackson+Childress+Martin+whoever isn't that bad. It may take a couple of years, but it may be good.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:36 pm

At least he's worth such an offer by today's standards, whereas many other players are getting offered insane amounts of money given their status and accomplishments.

I agree with RedToro (nice touch, by the way

), if Martin signs with the Hawks it will be clear that the almighty dollar is indeed more important than winning. In a way it's noble, trying to lead a franchise back from the NBA basement, but it's not as if he isn't an important part of the Nets' roster either.

by **hmm** on Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:35 pm

by **MVP** on Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:16 am

Even if Martin accepts this offer, the Nets will definitely match that offer. They won't let Martin go just like that. They would rather trade him than let him go for nothing.

by **FanOfAll** on Sun Jul 11, 2004 6:03 am

Homer wrote:
Martin wrote:STFU! Jackal,Im gonna turn the Hawks around 360 degrees,I know Im gonna win and I don't need that anger management program anymore+Im richer than ever before...I would go to Denver but I might get charged with rape there. Hawks will do....get of my case or I'll shut this fourm down!

OMG Kenyon is on our forum !!! could you give me autograph ?
anyway !! am i the only one thinkin Martin is a star ?(Along with himself-Martin) He is such a good player !! But it would be very bad for him if he leaves J-Kidd not NJ. These 2 are such a good duo !! i dont think there is anyone on Hawks to make this great glass passes to him on FBs.

I think KMart is a star. However, the term star is really flexible and relative. There are no real set definitions for it. I do think he is frequently underrated and overrated. A lot of people think he doesn't have a post game, which is incorrect. His first few seasons, he was jump shots and dunks, but he's developed a good post game along with a strong baby hook. Neither he nor RJ rely so much on Kidd as they did a few years ago, although losing him would still hurt. Martin doesn't score nearly as much on the break as he used to (neither did RJ, did you see him dominate when both Kidd and KMart were out?).

Even if Martin accepts this offer, the Nets will definitely match that offer. They won't let Martin go just like that. They would rather trade him than let him go for nothing.

Actually, with Ratner cutting costs, it's a really tricky situation. He basically doesn't want to match the offer (if its a max) if he still has Kidd and Kittles on the team. I've heard reports it's either Kidd or Martin right now, thus the sign-and-trade deals rumored regarding Martin (Martin for Nene) and trade deals for Kidd (to Dallas, GSW).

by **Kenyon_Martin** on Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:52 pm

Martin wrote:STFU! Jackal,Im gonna turn the Hawks around 360 degrees,I know Im gonna win and I don't need that anger management program anymore+Im richer than ever before...I would go to Denver but I might get charged with rape there. Hawks will do....get of my case or I'll shut this fourm down!

Hey man im the real K-Mart! if i cant help the hawks win, i'll just blow everyone's faces in....

by **Full Surface** on Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:09 pm

Kenyon Martin is in the rank good, not great.

If it wasn't for Jason Kidd, he wouldn't be getting so much attention. That guy definitely makes players look better than they really are.

by **Macca** on Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:49 pm

If it wasn't for Jason Kidd, he wouldn't be getting so much attention. That guy definitely makes players look better than they really are.

Oooh, that's harsh, but it's fair. I gotta say that that is partly true. K-Mart might not be that good if not for Kidd. But K-MArt has got game and with him, Childress, Terry and Harrington (if it goes through) that's a team of the future. From that they can trade, build up to what it once was when 'Nique was around with Spud. It's all good.
Even though it might seem that most GM's are smoking weed and getting high before they deal players, they're not and they're probably taking a chance and looking at things in that 'it's best for the future- better in the long run.' Although some GM's do smoke weed and deal and that's their problem, but most do a pretty good job, hauling in whatever they can get. So if Martin does sign, the team might actually get colse to the p/o's- a surprise to Martin who just want's the money.

Macca

by **Amphatoast** on Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:51 pm

just changed the topic name....nuggets now offering Martin the Maximum
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... id=1837760

by **FanOfAll** on Sun Jul 11, 2004 5:04 pm

He has stated he wants to be back with the Nets...however, he also wants money. I think if the Nets don't find someway to clear some cap space, he's going to the Nuggets.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sun Jul 11, 2004 5:19 pm

The Nuggets sound like a more reasonable option. He would be part of an up-and-coming team as well as receiving a pay rise. I understand that the NBA is a business and no matter what industry you are in, you would be foolish not to consider looking for a pay rise, but by considering the Nuggets - a team with much more talent than the Hawks and in better position to make annual playoff appearances - Martin is considering other factors aside from money, which is admirable.

Bringing a team back from the basement is also admirable as I mentioned before, but whenever a player leaves a playoff team for a lottery team for a larger deal, it just seems to be greedy.

by **HeHateMe** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:45 am

k-mart may very well be the defensive mvp some day. the guy can d it up.

by **Full Surface** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:18 am

The Hawks have been fucked over once again unless they convince Martin that they're a better fit.

Sad they went through so much trouble clearing up cap space just to watch their #1 target about to get taken away.

by **magius** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:45 am

jason kidd must be regretting staying in jersey now :lol:

by **Donyell** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:10 am

OMG, I hope he will stay in NJ, but if he has to go, Denver all the way.
I would hate for him to go to a shithole like Atlanta.
Damn, Denver would rule so hard then. :lol:

by **matmat8** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:45 am

magius wrote:jason kidd must be regretting staying in jersey now

Maybe he will ask for a trade too

It's still a lot of "superstars", "stars", on the move :shock:

by **FanOfAll** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:15 am

magius wrote:jason kidd must be regretting staying in jersey now

Well considering Ratner or whoever the owner is will end up paying him a grand total of 103 million by the time his contract expires, I don't think he's regretting it.

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