Year = 1984 Lottery Draft.... who would have you choosen?

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Year = 1984 Lottery Draft.... who would have you choosen?

Postby beau_boy04 on Thu May 05, 2005 5:22 pm

We all know how it went down.

1. Rockets - H Olajuwon
2. Portland - S Bowie
3. Chicago - Michael Jordan
5. Phila - Charles Barkley
16. Utah - J Stockton


How Things Should Have Gone...

1. Houston Rockets: Michael Jordan
2. Portland Trailblazers: Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Chicago Bulls: Charles Barkley
4. Dallas Mavericks: John Stockton


SO..... what do you say? always draft "for needs" instead of the "best player available?"

It was a costly mistake done by either Houston and Portland. Not sure who the Houston Rockets had at that point in time but I keep reading the Portland had C Drexler who turned out to be a great player BUT hey nevermind I don't even wanna talk about it. If it was up to me I would have choosen MJ as the 1st pick overall. Why? that shot he made to win the national championship answers all my questions and doubts.

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Postby beau_boy04 on Thu May 05, 2005 5:52 pm

Michael Jordan achievements up to his junior year in College

1. Named NCAA College Player of the Year in 1983 and 1984
2. Winner of the Dr. James Naismith Award and the John Wooden Award in 1984
3. Unanimous First Team All-America selection in 1983 and 1984
4. Member of 1982 NCAA Division I championship team.


Was this not enough to draft him first???? :?:
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Postby The X on Thu May 05, 2005 6:46 pm

Rockets should have and did pick Hakeem with No. 1 pick....it was a lock....I would take Hakeem over Jordan any day of the week given the situation and talent that Hakeem had as a big man....

Blazers were desperate for a big man so they took Bowie....Jordan was obviously better, and by all accounts, should have gone with the #2 pick....although Blazers already had the 2nd best SG of Jordan's time, Clyde Drexler....so I can't blame Blazers for that pick....

not sure who went 4th but I think Barkley and Stockton went where they should have....the draft panned out as it should have (Y)
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Postby Fresh8 on Thu May 05, 2005 6:52 pm

Noone could forsee what Jrodan would do in his career... its impossible to tell the future. Given the circumstances X pointed out, Jordan was destinhed to go third!
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Postby AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy on Thu May 05, 2005 6:57 pm

It would be very good if we could decide on matters knowing how things will eventually turn out, wouldn't it?

That's the beauty of the draft, you never can be absolutely sure whether your guy is what you expect him to be, a bust, or a steal...

Think Michel Redd. He went 44th or something... How many teams now wish they had spent a lottery pick on him? Then think DeJuan Wagner... Don't the Cavs wish they had spent their no 6 pick on... let's say... Amare Stoudemire?

If only scouts were clairvoyant, but then the draft wouldn't be such fun...

As for the specific '84 class, I agree with X... Hakeem deserved no 1, no matter what Jordan went on to accomplish. Let's assume that Dwyane Wade develops a 3 pt stroke and elevates his level to that of Jordan's ( hypothetically ), while Lebron stays a 25-7-7 guy with nary a playoff appearance or two... Would'n the Cavs wish they had picked Dwyane with no 1? yes, they would. But they knew they did the best they could at the time, so they'll live with it... Same with Houston picking Olajuwon...

As for the no 2 and Mr. Bowie... it's hard not to regret considering the differnce in talent level between him and MJ, but remember. Even if MJ hit that winner and got the title for UNC, nobody, not even Dean Smith predicted he would be ... well ... Michael Jordan.
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Postby COOLmac© on Thu May 05, 2005 7:10 pm

well i did predict him to be micheal jordan......because of one basis.....that's his name...LOL

anyways Hakeem was a great number one pick.....and houston at that time dont need another big guard......they need a center..... (Y)
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Postby Bang on Thu May 05, 2005 7:28 pm

You know, it's perfectly understandable that Sam Bowie was taken before Jordan, because nobody saw this happen.

Name me a guard that dominated the league before Jordan? Oh wait, name any guard after Jordan? Name a championship team that had a guard oriented team before Jordan?
Yes there are very few that come to mind:
Magic Johnson
Isiah Thomas
But there are way more forwards that have won playoff MVPs.

I think people still think there will be another Jordan and the league is still obsessed with Jordan, when it's actually the forwards that are dominating the game. Or THE Center. What is happening to the center position? Sadly a lot of people who shouldn't play with a Jordan like game are trying to, because 99% of basketball players will try to be like Jordan. I think Jordan is the best player ever, but I think eventually people will realize that Jordan was an exception to the rules.

As for Barkley...6'6" Forward? Are you insane? That kind of guy will never be great in the league since he's too short! I mean seriously he is around 4 inches shorter than all his competition! Yes, probably a lot of people thought like that.

John Stockton? A PG doesn't win many MVPs, especially one that doesn't have too much athleticism. Athleticism is a big thing in the nba, and Stockton, is probably a very anti-nba player. He isn't too fast, he isn't too athletic, and he survived using his smartness as a player. Even if there was a draft held today and they saw a player like stockton they'd wonder "is he athletic enough to succeed?"

It was weird that those players that weren't supposed to succeed, succeeded. I guess it's what makes them exceptional.
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Postby cyanide on Fri May 06, 2005 4:07 am

I agree with bangyounh's comments, and I have to agree with everyone who said Hakeem should go #1. The Rockets didn't fail in that department - Hakeem is one of the all time leaders in blocks, steals and points, and brought Houston two NBA championships. Hakeem delivered just as much as Jordan did - maybe not to the same level and extent as Jordan had, but it all worked out for both sides.
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Postby air gordon on Fri May 06, 2005 9:34 am

bangyounh wrote:You know, it's perfectly understandable that Sam Bowie was taken before Jordan, because nobody saw this happen.

Name me a guard that dominated the league before Jordan? Oh wait, name any guard after Jordan? Name a championship team that had a guard oriented team before Jordan?
Yes there are very few that come to mind:
Magic Johnson
Isiah Thomas
But there are way more forwards that have won playoff MVPs.

I think people still think there will be another Jordan and the league is still obsessed with Jordan, when it's actually the forwards that are dominating the game. Or THE Center. What is happening to the center position? Sadly a lot of people who shouldn't play with a Jordan like game are trying to, because 99% of basketball players will try to be like Jordan. I think Jordan is the best player ever, but I think eventually people will realize that Jordan was an exception to the rules.

As for Barkley...6'6" Forward? Are you insane? That kind of guy will never be great in the league since he's too short! I mean seriously he is around 4 inches shorter than all his competition! Yes, probably a lot of people thought like that.

John Stockton? A PG doesn't win many MVPs, especially one that doesn't have too much athleticism. Athleticism is a big thing in the nba, and Stockton, is probably a very anti-nba player. He isn't too fast, he isn't too athletic, and he survived using his smartness as a player. Even if there was a draft held today and they saw a player like stockton they'd wonder "is he athletic enough to succeed?"

It was weird that those players that weren't supposed to succeed, succeeded. I guess it's what makes them exceptional.

great post

if the draft was done today, i still think hakeem gets drafted 1st. this of course is not factoring in how they turned out
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Postby Goldberg on Fri May 06, 2005 9:59 am

Sam Perkins went 4th, not Barkley. beau-boy04, do your homework next time.

Perkins went 4th, and was MJ's teammate at UNC. Jordan's perceived value was decreased because people were saying he would not be this good without Perkins. Of course it was the other way around. Perkins still had a good career anyway. They said a somewhat similar thing of Ben Gordon who played with Emeka Okafor in Connecticut. They didn't say it as much but it was said a few time before the draft. Chicago didn't listen and picked him 3rd anyway. Smart move by Paxson and Chicago.
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Postby MCo543 on Fri May 06, 2005 10:28 am

The Rockets made the right choice by taking Hakeem but they made the wrong choice a year or so later when the Bulls offered Jordan in trade for Ralph Sampson.
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Postby cyanide on Fri May 06, 2005 10:34 am

MCo543 wrote:The Rockets made the right choice by taking Hakeem but they made the wrong choice a year or so later when the Bulls offered Jordan in trade for Ralph Sampson.


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Postby maes on Fri May 06, 2005 10:35 am

At the time, it was assumed you had to have at least strong (if not dominant) Center to form a dynasty team. Bulls were really the only dynasty in recent history to break that rule, with Cartwright and Longley. Even San Antonio still had an aging David Robinson, and while people bagged on him in his last years, i've noticed SAS haven't made it without him.

Some people say the Pistons didn't have a dominant C, which is statistically wrong. You can hate Laimbeer, but he was 6'11", a 4-time All-Star, and only the 19th player (at the time) in history to grab 10k points and 10k rebounds. That's a helluva a lot better than Will Perdue :/
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Postby Drex on Fri May 06, 2005 12:09 pm

At the time, Jordan was considered just a good offensive player. Somebody got a sig with a quote of Rod Thorn (Bulls GM, I think) saying that they wanted a C in the draft, but there was none available. So they picked Jordan, a good player, but not a great player...it's a shame he was wrong :P
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Postby Andrew on Fri May 06, 2005 1:03 pm

That used to be my signature. I'll dig up the quote again.

"We wish Jordan were 7-feet, but he isn't. There just wasn't a center available. What can you do? Jordan isn't going to turn this franchise around. I wouldn't ask him to. He's a very good offensive player, but not an overpowering offensive player."
- Rod Thorn, then Bulls general manager, after selecting Jordan in the 1984 NBA Draft (Chicago Tribune, June 20, 1984)
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Postby fgrep15 on Fri May 06, 2005 3:02 pm

beau_boy04 wrote:Michael Jordan achievements up to his junior year in College

1. Named NCAA College Player of the Year in 1983 and 1984
2. Winner of the Dr. James Naismith Award and the John Wooden Award in 1984
3. Unanimous First Team All-America selection in 1983 and 1984
4. Member of 1982 NCAA Division I championship team.


Was this not enough to draft him first???? :?:

You should check Olajuwon's achievements too, and also the fact that he was a big man. Jordan was not even considered the best player on his college team, James Worthy was...
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