Mr Bogut

Matt said:

i'd like to see him post 20 & 12 on MSU, Duke, UConn, Georgia, Syracus or other big time teams

I answered with:

he did have a 24 point 17 rebound performance against LSU playing former high school all american Brandon Bass, he also had 20-10 against arizona. so their are your numbers against good comp right their. should go somewhere between 4-15 in my opinion. all that being said he wont be going number 1.

Matt answered back with:

it's one thing to put up big numbers AGAINST good teams, it's another to put up big numbers FOR good teams.

wont he be trying to do just that when he gets drafted in the top 10 to 15 in the draft this year? one would also think if he puts up solid numbers against quality teams he could also do it for them. granted average players can put up big numbers for poor quality schools but utah isnt exactly binghampton or st. peters or some crappy school, they have earned ncaa bids the last two years and went to the final four in 1998 i believe? lastly who are you to comment on this guy when you havent even seen him play or even know what school he went two "utah?".

it's one thing to put up big numbers AGAINST good teams, it's another to put up big numbers FOR good teams.

Yet everything I've read about him says that he'd be putting up more impressive numbers if he played for a better team. They say he'd get more assists if he had better shooters around him, and maybe even score more because he wouldn't get double and triple teamed as much.

I think the good team/bad team situation can cut both ways.

Everyone likes to hate on him because he isn't american.

Good post trubucksfan that shows matt's hate for bogut.

Doing well AGAINST better teams while playing for a poor team. Means Bogut being the focal point when the opposition team is playing defence.

they have earned ncaa bids the last two years and went to the final four in 1998 i believe? lastly who are you to comment on this guy when you havent even seen him play or even know what school he went two "utah?".

wow congratulations, 2 consecutive NCAA bids and a final four appearance in 1998....7 yrs ago...roll out the red carpet

and yes, I've seen him play, in particular at the olympics and he was barely impressive. He isn't a big inside presence, isn't athletic and shoots too many outside jumpers....he sure as hell doesn't look or sound like a #1 pick. I'll stick with the 7-15 projection, depending on who's drafting.

Good post trubucksfan that shows matt's hate for bogut

haha, where did i say i hate Bogut????

I actually thought Bogut was one of Australia's more impressive players at the Olympics (not that I guess that says much considering how average the team was)....he started tournament slow but got better as it went along, and he held his own against Tim Duncan and the US....

Bogut is highly unlikely to go No. 1 or Top 3 for that matter, although I think depending on workouts and team needs, he could go anyway from about 4 to the bottom of the lottery....

If Andrew Bogut was really a true 7 footer as he is listed in various websites then he'd press for Top 3 selection....after watching Olympics I think he's no more than 6'10" (unless he's grown some which I doubt) and therefore a PF at the next level who can play minutes at C if needed....I see him as Chris Mihm (who from memory was touted as a potential No. 1 pick during his junior season but fell to No. 6 after average workouts) with a better post-game and footwork....it took Mihm quite a few years to find his feet....I think it could take Bogut a couple too....I hope I'm wrong though....

Everyone likes to hate on him because he isn't american.

To me it seems more like the Australians defend him because he's Australian.
Anyway I'll let you Aussies have your little dream by not posting in this thread anymore, when he gets drafted no. 1 I'll make a new topic to apologise to you, quote me on that.

Seems that Aleksandrov who everyone was saying is a surefire pick for number 1 pick, is going to wait till 2006 (according to Draftcity)

http://www.draftcity.com/viewarticle.php?a=86

wow congratulations, 2 consecutive NCAA bids and a final four appearance in 1998....7 yrs ago...roll out the red carpet

well you make it seem like utah is a terrible school or something when in all actuality they are a solid program. dont forget KVH and Andre Miller both came from that school so i mean its not like they dont put out solid players. i do agree with you he wont go number one and will end up 5-15 but where is all this hate stemming from? your pretty much the only one (maybe clitskie) whos dosent think he is at least a solid player. if he was sooo terrible do you really think scouts would be so high on him? he must be doing something right.and just one last thing about the #1. does anyone remember the last guy to be picked number one from utah? Keith Van Horn, i think bogut has alot of keiths intangibles, ball handling, footwork, mid range, solid rebounder(better rebounder than keith), he even relies on his jumper more than he should. he dosent have range like keith though. seems more aggressive than him which isnt saying much but, he will battle inside with ne one. feel free to correct me on my scouting if you want

your pretty much the only one (maybe clitskie)whos dosent think he is at least a solid player.

Where is this coming from? I'm only saying he won't go number 1.
...and spell my name right

who cares abt all the other rookies.....Hakim Warrick will be ROY

anyway umm looking at Bogut he looks more like a guy u would see being picked at No.55 or smth

depends on whose pickin....if its the Hornets they'll go for a big man or a pg pending on whether Magloire or B Diddy stays....if its the Jazz it'll be a big center.....if its the Hawks it'll be a center or a point....Warriors will be a big man no doubt and the Bobcats will go for a point guard....prolly Chris Paul is already their target.

I dont see Bogut goin first....he'll be max at 4 and at worst he'll drop to 11...

thing is these draft sites always make the players sound like superstars in the making....it sounds like their all going to become monster but half of them only do end up doin well...

anyway it'll be good to see an outside get the No.1 pick.....it was nice to see Yao getting picked since hes asian n all that

Everyone likes to hate on him because he isn't american.

To me it seems more like the Australians defend him because he's Australian.
Anyway I'll let you Aussies have your little dream by not posting in this thread anymore, when he gets drafted no. 1 I'll make a new topic to apologise to you, quote me on that.

I doubt he'll be taken number one, but with all the picks made thanks to "potential" these days, I'd say he's got a good chance of being a lottery pick, thus quite possibly will end up on a team where he'll get some decent playing time. Going through the American college system and the draft is also an advantage in my opinion.

There is now wy, hes getting picked first, the article only said loterry pick god dammit...

No, the article we're all talking about (from DraftCity or wherever) said #1 overall

Edit:

Almost any NBA talent evaluator not in Salt Lake City Monday night to watch Utah's 69-55 victory over LSU either watched it via satellite or perused a replay of the contest. And nothing they saw of 6-foot-10, 240-pound sophomore Andrew Bogut, who went for 24 points and 17 rebounds in over 40 minutes for the Utes, hampered the growing belief among draft decision makers that he is by far the leading candidate to be selected first overall in the next NBA draft in June. "And I can't even tell you there is a close No. 2 is right now,'' a Western Conference player personnel director said Thursday. Wake Forest sophomore point guard Chris Paul would seem the obvious candidate but the sentiment among most NBA scouting types is that Paul could be back in college for his junior season.

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3302798

wow congratulations, 2 consecutive NCAA bids and a final four appearance in 1998....7 yrs ago...roll out the red carpet

well you make it seem like utah is a terrible school or something when in all actuality they are a solid program. dont forget KVH and Andre Miller both came from that school so i mean its not like they dont put out solid players. i do agree with you he wont go number one and will end up 5-15 but where is all this hate stemming from? your pretty much the only one (maybe clitskie) whos dosent think he is at least a solid player. if he was sooo terrible do you really think scouts would be so high on him? he must be doing something right.and just one last thing about the #1. does anyone remember the last guy to be picked number one from utah? Keith Van Horn, i think bogut has alot of keiths intangibles, ball handling, footwork, mid range, solid rebounder(better rebounder than keith), he even relies on his jumper more than he should. he dosent have range like keith though. seems more aggressive than him which isnt saying much but, he will battle inside with ne one. feel free to correct me on my scouting if you want

well, i'm not "hating" on Bogut. I just said that he aint goin #1....his program is solid but it aint the best and usually players from the best programs go #1. Also, you compare him loosely to KVH.....now, do you think anyone would want to draft a player like KVH at #1? of course not, that's why i said he won't go #1

he's probably gonna end up having a good career but from what i've seen of him he isn't a #1 pick....not with that defense

now, do you think anyone would want to draft a player like KVH at #1? of course not, that's why i said he won't go #1

Hmm.. yeah, I can't think of any teams who'd want a career 17/7 guy with a rookie contract (if he was drafted at #1 this season)... people aren't always going to pick the best players at #1... with so many teenagers and whatever coming out, 80% of 1st picks these days seem to be purely based on potential. There's been alot of busts, but I wouldn't consider KVH one... I know he's soft and has a horrible contract, but he's definitely alot better than some 1st overall picks I can name...

nice post matt, i figured after my last post youd go off on it. glad to see that not everyone is insulted so easily. i was just trying to convince you that bogut could potentially be a solid player in the nba. i was just trying to throw in the fact that yes indeed pasty white dudes can get picked first....i just dont think it will be this year though.

Maybe a bit off topic but do you guys remember that the Lakers drafted some center named Marcus Donut (I think?). Whatever happened to him?

Lol I got no idea but he got a nice name

Shaq probably wanted the Front office to draft him, thinking it was some kind of huge walking donut.

not that it really matters much but Keith Van Horn was pick No. 2 behind Tim Duncan....

as for Marcus Douhit (sp?), I believe the Lakers were gonna sign him to a deal then he got arrested for something....so Lakers didn't sign him....what an idiot!!! he's probably either taking it in prison or off in Siberia

I think he's overseas. He was pretty solid as a player in the pre season though, would've been interesting to see how he went in the NBA.

not that it really matters much but Keith Van Horn was pick No. 2 behind Tim Duncan....

well i guess that takes away all my credibility i usually dont say ne thing unless i double check it online but for some reason i was sure of this. sorry!

If Andrew Bogut can average the 19ppg KVH did as a rookie then the media over here will be all over him like a rash.

Lakers drafted some center named Marcus Donut (I think?)

Marcus Douthit.