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Postby Jackal on Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:09 am

MARION, Ind. -- There used to be believers in this town, back in the day, back when Zach Randolph was just a kid.

In every direction there was either a flourishing cornfield or a prospering factory. Of the nine paper plate factories in the nation, five of them were in Marion. There also were plants that manufactured television picture tubes, bottles, cardboard boxes and automobile parts.

And the basketball team . . . oh, those Marion Giants. Seven state titles -- just one off the state record held by nearby Muncie Central -- not to mention so many other near-misses, such as the year Broadripple made a length-of-the-court shot at the buzzer to stun the favored Giants.

No state takes its high school basketball as seriously as Indiana, and no town takes it as seriously as Marion (pop. 31,000), perhaps to a fault, some residents say. Every year, there was a new can't-miss star, often anointed by media members as early as the fifth grade, who finally would don the purple and gold and give the basketball crazies (they are everywhere here) something to talk about.

It was last like this in 2000, when a once clumsy and awkward kid named Zach Randolph grew into his body, all 6-foot-9 of it, and led the Giants to state title number seven.

Now, everything has changed. There is little, if anything, to believe in -- even as the Chamber of Commerce attempts to boost morale with a "We Believe in Marion" slogan splashed all around town.

One by one, the factories started to close, until now, only the General Motors plant remains. It has led to a 17.6 percent unemployment rate, second-highest in Indiana and more than three times the national average.

And year by year, there seems to be another shady incident involving Randolph, their most heralded basketball star, seemingly adding insult to injury.

The latest is a possible criminal charge against Randolph for lying to police after, witnesses say, his younger brother, Roger, shot three men around 2:30 a.m. on Aug. 22 in a nightclub in nearby Anderson, Ind.

Randolph, who witnesses say tried to restrain Roger while he was shooting into the crowd, then led him out of the nightclub, has told police three times he knew nothing of the incident. He will have a fourth chance Wednesday, when Randolph and his attorney meet with Madison County prosecutor Rodney Cummings.

"I'm expecting cooperation," Cummings said. "He needs to tell what he saw."

If Randolph again denies seeing anything, Cummings said he will pursue charges immediately. Cummings said he will either charge Randolph with giving false information to the police, a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by as much as one year in prison, or with assisting a criminal, a Class D felony, punishable by as much as three years in prison.

Randolph and his family declined to be interviewed for this story.

The people in Marion want to believe in Randolph. They believe in his heart, the one that has donated time and money to local kids programs. They believe in his spirit, the one that smiles with ease and thirsts for loving attention. And they believe in his determination, the one that worked to avenge the "experts" who touted other youths while he clumsily tried to adjust to his growing body. And the one who diligently worked on his troubling grades in order to stay on track for his goal of reaching the NBA.

But then again, how long does one believe? Their faith in the economy, believing that the next factory surely couldn't close, has gotten them here, investing their hopes in a billboard slogan.

And for as much as they believe in Randolph's heart, spirit and determination, they don't believe in his mind. They remember 1999, when during a glorious start to the season that had the town talking title, Randolph was kicked off the team after being convicted of selling and possessing stolen guns.

Two years earlier, he served 30 days house arrest for a battery conviction. And in 1995, he served 30 days in juvenile detention for shoplifting a pair of pants.

Some say that at 23, he has yet to mature. Others say he simply is naive. However, they all agree on this: The downfall of Zach Randolph is the crowd with which he chooses to associate.

"He needs to say 'I need help,' but he's not aware he has a problem," said Moe Smedley, Randolph's high school coach, who often picked up Randolph at home. "And the problem is he is hanging with the wrong people. I just don't want the day to come where I pick up that paper and it says he shot someone, or that he was shot. Every day that goes by that I don't see that, I feel good."

Headed to Milwaukee?

Two-thousand miles west, in Portland, the Trail Blazers organization also is struggling to believe.

After watching Randolph steadily progress in his first three seasons -- including last season, when he averaged 20.1 points and 10.5 rebounds, earning him the NBA's Most Improved Player award -- the Blazers believe in Randolph's talent.

But the franchise is embarking on year two of its self-proclaimed "New Era," which included a much-publicized 25-point pledge to its fans that trumpeted a philosophy of valuing character over talent.

Randolph, clearly the most talented and promising player on the team, is in the last year of his contract, which is set to pay him $1.8 million this season. The Blazers have until Oct. 31 to offer an extension, which one month ago seemed like a sure bet.

But today, the Blazers have cooled considerably, to the point where their once-believed foundation of the future now is rumored in a trade sending Randolph, Derek Anderson and a 2005 draft pick to Milwaukee for Michael Redd, Desmond Mason and Marcus Haislip.

Even though Zach Randolph didn't pull the trigger in the Anderson night club, the incident comes on the heels of his juvenile record in Marion and a tenure with the Blazers that includes a driving under the influence of intoxicants (marijuana) charge last December by Portland police, a conviction for underage drinking in Marion in 2002, and a two-game suspension in April 2003 by the team after he sucker-punched teammate Ruben Patterson, breaking Patterson's eye socket, during a practice.

General manager John Nash, who at one point this summer said he would like to sign Randolph to an extension, said last week that Randolph's involvement in the Anderson shooting didn't "sit well with what we are trying to achieve and accomplish in Portland."

But in the same breath, Nash can't escape his attachment to Randolph.

"I love the player and his ability, and I like the individual, because I truly believe he has a good heart," Nash said.

Now the question is, which Randolph do the Blazers believe in?

Not "a bad bone in him"

It was an awkward childhood for Randolph, who was diagnosed with ADD/HD, attention deficit disorder/hyperactive disorder. Coupled with an impoverished background -- his single mother, Mae, raised her four children on welfare -- and the racial overtones of a mostly white blue-collar community, Randolph was somewhat of an outcast, endearing him to a misfit collection of friends.

Soon, however, it became apparent that Randolph could play basketball, and by the fourth grade he was popular, winning kids over with his playfulness, and charming the teachers he tested with his smile and innocence.

"I liked him very, very much," said Laurie Kocher, his fourth-grade teacher. "I think he has a wonderful heart."

But that heart was hurt when his peers were given attention for their basketball skills, while he was criticized for his borderline grades and the rowdy crowd with which he associated.

"So many people put him down," Kocher said. "But he never stopped practicing."

His grade school teachers remarked how well he was raised by his mother, who always had her kids neatly groomed and respectful of authority. When Kocher said she was having a hard time keeping Randolph in line, Mae told her that she would threaten to take basketball away from Zach.

"And boy, did that kid get on the ball," Kocher said. "Mae was a wonderful, driving force for him."

But his friends, that was another story.

"I think he purposely chose bad friends," Kocher said. "He has always just loved living on the edge, he liked that excitement."

By 14, Randolph was caught stealing a pair of pants while he was with friends.

"I don't think the kid has a bad bone in him," said Jenny Maidenberg, his second-grade teacher. "But I think he may be too trusting. I don't think Zach thinks anyone is going to do something bad."

A struggling brother

At the center of Randolph's crowd is his brother, Roger, younger by one year.

There are some in Marion who say that Roger, a 6-foot-5 guard, was more talented than Zach in basketball. But there is no debate that Roger took a wrong turn growing up, starting around seventh grade.

"He really turned bad," Kocher said.

By high school, Roger was kicked off the basketball team, and his mother sent him to a boarding school in Pennsylvania. As Zach flourished in basketball, some theorize that Roger's inborn anger intensified out of jealousy.

"I think Zach tries to make it up to him now," Kocher said. "Whenever Zach comes back to town, he makes sure he takes Roger around."

That scenario turned ugly Aug. 22 when, police say, Roger opened fire on the dance floor of the notorious Sinbad's nightclub in Anderson. Cummings said that 15 to 20 murders have taken place over the years at the nightclub.

"Only bad things happen at that place," Cummings said. "The only thing that happens in that place is people get shot."

Three weeks before the shooting, on Aug. 1, Roger was arrested by Marion police after a routine traffic stop revealed he was carrying a handgun without a permit, in addition to possessing marijuana.

"He's a criminal," Smedley said. "But Zach is still running with Roger. Why? If Roger is put away, that will help Zach in a big way."

"Why would he screw it up?"

What hurts the people of Marion the most is that Randolph has been surrounded by strong role models -- Smedley, Michigan State coach Tom Izzo, Blazers coach Maurice Cheeks -- and responded to their guidance, only to step out of line.

"I just think he hangs with the wrong people," said Izzo, who coached Randolph for one season. "But I think one thing we do, maybe to a fault, is we are always telling these kids, 'Don't forget where you came from.' Well, that can be a problem when you come from a little rougher neighborhood. But for the most part, with Zach, if there is a fault, it is that he follows more than he leads."

Cheeks is trying to reverse that trend. He says he believes in Randolph, so much so that he wants him to become a leader on the Blazers, a point he made in a call shortly after the Aug. 22 shooting.

"I told him that being a leader means people look up to you," Cheeks said. "I told him you can't be getting caught up in this and that, it's just not acceptable. He has to be careful, with the things he does, the people he hangs with. . . . I mean, he doesn't have to shun his friends, but he can say, 'Look, I have something to lose here,' then keep moving on. Because if he continues along this path, then something is going to happen . . . it could be him."

And that would be a tragedy, the one that almost seems befitting of Marion -- a town that once had it all, but is on the verge of being left with nothing.

"He has worked so hard to get where he is at," Smedley said. "Why would he screw it up at some bar on a Saturday night in Indiana? And that's what bothers me, he has seen the right way to do things."

"I just feel so sad," said Kocher, the fourth-grade teacher. "I just don't think he is mature yet, he is still making bad decisions, not thinking ahead. He is not a bad kid, he just loves his brother and is caught in the middle of it all."

And that leaves two sides -- Marion and the Blazers -- wanting to believe, waiting to believe that Randolph is worth it.

"I look at him and I see what people see," Izzo said. "You want to love the guy, but you have questions about him."


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Postby Incubus on Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:00 am

I hope that`ll happen.
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Postby Riot on Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:34 am

We need a trade it's getting boring around here. PLEASE DO IT MILWAUKEE AND PORTLAND.

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Postby . on Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:54 am

That would be a good trade for Portland.

You can add Shareef Abdur-Rahim back to the starting lineup and hopefully he will reach his old potential, and add a excellent outside shooter while having a good 2-guard boost from the bench in Derek Anderson.

C-Theo Ratliff
F-Shareef Abdur Rahim
F-Ruben Patterson/Darius Miles
G-Michael Redd
G-Damon Stoudemire

Thats a good lineup to me.
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Postby Riot on Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:47 am

Mr T wrote:That would be a good trade for Portland.

You can add Shareef Abdur-Rahim back to the starting lineup and hopefully he will reach his old potential, and add a excellent outside shooter while having a good 2-guard boost from the bench in Derek Anderson.

C-Theo Ratliff
F-Shareef Abdur Rahim
F-Ruben Patterson/Darius Miles
G-Michael Redd
G-Damon Stoudemire

Thats a good lineup to me.



Randolph, Derek Anderson and a 2005 draft pick to Milwaukee for Michael Redd, Desmond Mason and Marcus Haislip.

Anderson would be gone
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Postby . on Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:53 am

Ohyeah...well, even better. Put Mason as a small-forward and you have players like Miles and The Kobe Stopper coming off the bench where they belong.
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Postby #12 on Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:50 am

LOL kobe stopper..... look at my sig, hes not kobe stopper
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Postby . on Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:16 am

It was meant sarcastic, since Im the biggest Kobe jocker over here.
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Postby Jowe on Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:18 pm

kobe should be on trial for raping ruben so many times instead of that girl :lol:
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Postby Matt on Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:09 pm

i love the deal for both sides

Randolph would make it to the All Star game as well :)
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Postby fgrep15 on Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:14 pm

I think its a horrible trade for the Bucks, I know their's the saying, you don't trade a big for a small, but Randolph's lack of defense and legal problems is really a turnoff.
If the Bucks do this, their backcourt will suffer with DA at SG, and especially with the uncertainty of TJ Ford, their backcourt could be reduced to Mike James and Derek Anderson, and no liable backup.

THe Blazers lineup will be:

PG: Damon Stoudemire | Nick Van Exel
SG: Micahel Redd | Nick Van Exel | Ruben Patterson
SF: Desmond Mason | Daruis Miles
PF: Shareef Abdur Rahim
C: Theo Ratliff


The Bucks will be reduced to:

PG: Mike James [till TJ is back]
SG: Derek Anderson
SF: Keith Van Horn | Toni Kukoc
PF: Zach Randolph | Joe Smith
C: Dan Gadzuric | Daniel Santiago

at least they'll be deep at PF :roll:
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Postby Matt on Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:11 pm

at least Randolph will be out of Portland. That seems to be a bad environment for everyone.
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Postby Fresh8 on Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:47 pm

they could just move the team out of Portland... maybe that would also drop the crime rate! :)

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Postby Rens on Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:00 pm

I don't see how it works for the Blazers, especially since they just signed Miles to a big $48M/6yr contract. How many guards do they want? Also, Redd and Mason are pretty much the definition of the Bucks' style of play, all of a sudden they would have to turn it around completely.
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Postby fgrep15 on Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:53 am

Daruis Miles is a forward :?
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Postby TRIO DOROBO on Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:29 am

Anywhere you look at this trade it was a bad for bucks, you giving away the future of your team. and what do they get in return Zach who facing legal action though with a new environment (like wells and esp Sheed) will make him a better player and derek anderson just a good back-up.

while portland get 2 quality wing players. put reef at starting PF. and redd at starting SG with mason coming from the bench.
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Postby Jackal on Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:58 am

The trade rumor has been smashed, Portland folks have said they aren't interested in trading Randolph.

Didn't stop around 6 teams for calling to inquire about him though, if anyone wants linky winky, say it. :wink:
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Postby FanOfAll on Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:21 am

Mr T wrote:That would be a good trade for Portland.

You can add Shareef Abdur-Rahim back to the starting lineup and hopefully he will reach his old potential, and add a excellent outside shooter while having a good 2-guard boost from the bench in Derek Anderson.

C-Theo Ratliff
F-Shareef Abdur Rahim
F-Ruben Patterson/Darius Miles
G-Michael Redd
G-Damon Stoudemire

Thats a good lineup to me.

The other problem with your lineup is that Miles is almost for certain, starting. Ruben is a bench/energy player.

I think its a horrible trade for the Bucks, I know their's the saying, you don't trade a big for a small, but Randolph's lack of defense and legal problems is really a turnoff.
If the Bucks do this, their backcourt will suffer with DA at SG, and especially with the uncertainty of TJ Ford, their backcourt could be reduced to Mike James and Derek Anderson, and no liable backup.

THe Blazers lineup will be:

PG: Damon Stoudemire | Nick Van Exel
SG: Micahel Redd | Nick Van Exel | Ruben Patterson
SF: Desmond Mason | Daruis Miles
PF: Shareef Abdur Rahim
C: Theo Ratliff


The Bucks will be reduced to:

PG: Mike James [till TJ is back]
SG: Derek Anderson
SF: Keith Van Horn | Toni Kukoc
PF: Zach Randolph | Joe Smith
C: Dan Gadzuric | Daniel Santiago

at least they'll be deep at PF Rolling Eyes

I would believe Smith would start next to Randolph. Gives them a solid defender (and I do believe he is capable of playing center if guys like Jake Voshkul, Ervin Johnson can) next to the effortless on defense Randolph. Actually, the Bucks have Mo Williams (who I'm really high on) to back up James well and Strickland (very good defender) behind DA, but that's about it.

I believe Miles will still start over Mason (more familiar, Mason is awesome off the bench)...not too sure I like this trade for either team. It leaves the Blazers thin up front (SAR, Theo, Przybilla (lol), Stephania (lol again)...) and the Bucks thin pretty much everywhere.
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Postby Colin on Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:19 pm

FanOfAll wrote:I would believe Smith would start next to Randolph. Gives them a solid defender (and I do believe he is capable of playing center if guys like Jake Voshkul, Ervin Johnson can) next to the effortless on defense Randolph.
Saying Voshkul can play center is generous. He can jog around the court and make it so when the opposing players score on him they kind of get annoyed.
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Postby FanOfAll on Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:22 pm

colin826 wrote:
FanOfAll wrote:I would believe Smith would start next to Randolph. Gives them a solid defender (and I do believe he is capable of playing center if guys like Jake Voshkul, Ervin Johnson can) next to the effortless on defense Randolph.
Saying Voshkul can play center is generous. He can jog around the court and make it so when the opposing players score on him they kind of get annoyed.

That was sort of my point. There are so many bad and "undersized" centers, or centers that are large but never take advantage of their size in the post to score, that there isn't really a need to worry about Smith or Brian Grant playing "center."
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Postby NNpF on Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:11 pm

That trade would really pack the Blazer with guards and forwards:

PG - Nick Van Exel, Damon Stoudemire, Sebastian Telfair
SG - Michael Redd, Richie Frahm, Qyntel Woods
SF - Desmond Mason, Darius Miles, Ruben Patterson, Travis Outlaw

It would be to packed at those positions especially since the Blazers are considering signing two more SF's, Sergei Monia and Viktor Khryapa.

And the bucks would be trading two blooming talents for a guy who could become an All-Star one day or just end up sitting on the bench thinking about what 'could have been'.

Although a change of scenery could be what changes Zach Randolph. Look at Bonzi Wells and Rasheed Wallace, huge attitude problems in Portland, and now Wallace is a huge start and Wells is a huge part of the Grizzlies rotation and isn't getting into any trouble.

But I don't like this trade for either team. Just leave it the way it is.
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Postby FanOfAll on Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:23 pm

-|NN|-[pF]- wrote:That trade would really pack the Blazer with guards and forwards:

PG - Nick Van Exel, Damon Stoudemire, Sebastian Telfair
SG - Michael Redd, Richie Frahm, Qyntel Woods
SF - Desmond Mason, Darius Miles, Ruben Patterson, Travis Outlaw

It would be to packed at those positions especially since the Blazers are considering signing two more SF's, Sergei Monia and Viktor Khryapa.

They are already packed :P. Damon, NVE, Telfair at the point. DA, NVE again, Woods, Frahm at the 2, with Miles, some SAR, Patterson, and Outlaw at the 3. They have already signed Khryapa but he's out with a leg injury of some sort (I believe broken) and Monia will not come over this year. It'll be next year when his buyout is smaller.
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