Ray Allen To Toronto?

[Riot]

I wouldn't have confidence in him and Moiso.

[FanOfAll]

Haffa man!!



Here's a vid of him: Punchgate

Also, there's Jerome Moiso (I hate him, but he's there) and Loren Woods' contract should be accepted by the league any day now (it's been sent and there were too many incencitives, over 25%, so they had to rework it a bit)

The Raptors do indeed have a center gap. What if Hoffa doesn't pan out? And Moiso, despite my protest for him getting more play time last year, sucks? Woods isn't much at all...I certainly don't want to see a Bosh/Marshall lineup for a good duration of the game again.

[Amphatoast]

Allen Iverson to Seattle
Ray Allen to Toronto
Vince Carter to Philadelphia.

Possible?

Edit: Very possible according to Real GM trade checker.

thats a real shake up for all 3 times involved

[Rens]

Moiso does suck, Woods is better than him though.

Hoffa WILL pan out. This guy is ready. Really. People say he was a man among boys in the NCAA, while in high school that might be an argument, in the NCAA players sure do have NBA size. And Hoffa is even bigger. 6'11, 290.

Just watch.. Hoffa will not be a superstar, he will not dominate games by taking over but he will sure as hell fill a big gap for the Raptors and most of all he'll allow Bosh to play PF.

[fgrep15]

Corey Magette, Chris Wilcox and Shaun Livingston.

The Raptors have no center gap.

And we need someone who can put his mark on a game offensively, not Shawn Marion.

What in the world? Never, Wilcox isn't a center anyways, he's a PF, but that's way way way way way too much for Carter lol.

Their whole future for Carter, we should package Bosh with Rose to get Elton Brand and someone from the Clippers

[Rens]

Alright, add Marshall to the package to the Clippers.

Magette can't put his mark on games, Wilcox hasn't shown anything besides a strong body and Livingston is a high school PG where none has been succesful so far ever. I know those are only their bad sides, but you make it sound like they are gods. Carter is an elite level NBA player who brings TONS AND TONS of revenue to a team. Not to mention the Clippers might actually sell out a game again.

[DipSetVC]

Yeah rens, you'll have to ignore fgrep here who always seems to overrate crappy teams. He thinks Maggette is enough to get Carter, little does he know that the Clippers could care less if they win any games in the next 50 years. They just want to make money and he can't understand that.

[fgrep15]

Now let's notice the use of the after I said we should trade those guys for Brand

Magette can't put his mark on games, Wilcox hasn't shown anything besides a strong body and Livingston is a high school PG where none has been succesful so far ever. I know those are only their bad sides, but you make it sound like they are gods. Carter is an elite level NBA player who brings TONS AND TONS of revenue to a team. Not to mention the Clippers might actually sell out a game again.

Maggette isn't a franchise player, likely won't be, and I never said he was. Wilcox hasn't shown anything but his strong body, athleticism, ability to run the floor, improved jumper (it's not great but improved), and an improved offensive game which still needs to be refined but is pretty decent....and per minute he put up about the same numbers Bosh was, except more points, and less rebounds and blocks.
How many highschool PG's have their been?
I wonder why none has been sucessful, why would they trade Livingston without playing him in even summer league?
The Clippers are in LA for one thing, and they're an exciting up and down team which equals people coming to the games even though they suck. They had about the same attendance as Boston last year which isn't bad, too many people think they want money therefore will do anything for it, show me where it's happened yet?

Also Dipset, we spoke, how can I overatte a team that my high hope for is a 9th or 10th seed this season, that's mad overatting right?

[Matt]

I wouldn't try to acquire Carter if I were clipps. Dude doesn't play enough games, doesn't take it to the hoop enough and his D isn't good enough. In fact, I'm going to say that if Clipps and Raps go for a straight up Maggette for Carter trade then they'd be getting ripped off. Maggette has improved year to year and he's young. He also doesn't have high expectations to live up to like Carter

[Rens]

I wouldn't try to acquire Carter if I were clipps. Dude doesn't play enough games, doesn't take it to the hoop enough and his D isn't good enough. In fact, I'm going to say that if Clipps and Raps go for a straight up Maggette for Carter trade then they'd be getting ripped off. Maggette has improved year to year and he's young. He also doesn't have high expectations to live up to like Carter

lol Matt, have you even seen the Raptors play last season? This is just you being silly. I know you can do better than this
Carter doesn't play enough games, he played more than T-Mac, Ray Allen, Rasheed Wallace, Shaq, Kobe, and lots of other stars. I agree he doesn't drive enough, but that's also because of last year's system. The Raptors gave Carter the ball and the rest of the team needed to wait for his actions. Result is that the other team can collapse on him, making it impossible to drive. His defense is much improved, he isn't an elite defender but he gets the job done.

[Matt]

ehehe, I still stand by what I said

anyways, he played 73 games last season, which is good but before that season he played 43 and 60 games. Rather inconsistent for a franchise player. He needs to cut down on the turnovers from last season, a career worst i think at 3+ and a low FG% from a lack of driving, which also had something to do with a knee injury won't you say

[Rens]

High turnovers are because he had to do a lot of ball handling like I said. They put the ball in his hands and let him try to make a move with two or three opponents around him.

His injury has healed, indeed he played fewer games in the two seasons before last, but the fact that he played almost a full season in the most recent season does say something, right?

[magius]

from a basketball point of view acquiring carter for allen isnt good from seattles standpoint. from a business point of view it is alright. I would love to see allen in minnesota or san antonio or miami or with one of the nbas few established big men, I think he would really flourish in that kind of enviroment.

[fgrep15]

From a basketball stanpoint it isn't good for Toronto either because Allen isn't any better, and if he were to run in the same system Carter did last year he wouldn't be putting up better numbers.

Also in addition to what Rens was saying, his FG% was also down because he never got easy baskets, he had to create everything himself, and the defense basically played what I call chess defense because this is what people sometimes do to me, it's where you have your defender then their's 2 guys behind him basically spying you and waiting for you to move so they can collapse, it's hard to score on that.