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[Drex]

Just curious, why does Kobe have more votes than West?

Half of the guys in the forum didn't saw West play.

I would replied everything Jackal said, but without the sarcasm .

Kobe did try to pass the ball in the finals.

[Jackal]

I would replied everything Jackal said, but without the sarcasm .

That's half the fun Drex.

Kobe did try to pass the ball in the finals.

Like I said, he did try to pass the ball, to the basket.

[TRIO DOROBO]

look what kobe has been able to achieve already individually

Thank you for summing up all his achievements, but the "euy" was really meant for the individually...? No, no one does anything in the game of basketball individually.

Shaq would choke in the fourth quarter with his "missed" free throws (in every game). So who was the other option? KOBE!!! That's right ... and he would deliver almost every night.

In a the end of a close game in the final quarter, yes...then I want the ball in Kobe's hands. Choking? How so? Please elaborate and spare me the bullshit of free-throws. Since Wilt wasn't the best free-throw shooter, he's a choker? Your logic is flawed in too many ways to actually explain them all.

Kobe would deliver on almost every night? Yeah, besides when he was the main focus of attention. Then he just hoisted shit he pulled right out of his ass.

Oh, if you're not aware of what I'm talking about, it's the Finals.

He's brought them back countless times from 20+ down to win the game.

Alone? Since when? I thought he had Shaq along side him all that time. Silly me..

Yeah he does choke ... he's been choking in the 4th quarter all his career.

According to your logic...Wilt was a BIG-TIME choker.

Seriously, grow up.

If you remember back in 2000, he couldn't hit free throws and I'm sure you've heard about the "hack-a-shaq" option that Portland used to get back in the series after they fell behind 3 games to 1.

You don't have to hit the enter button that many times.

Who hasn't heard of hack a shaq? It's old & it's known that teams use it.
You forget to mention the fact that despite him being hacked away to glory, he still manages to drop 20 points a game. Wow, amazing eh? One word...unstoppable. Say he isn't, I dare you.

And this past year, who brought the lakers back in the SA series? KOBE! Remember games 3, 4, 5, and 6???

Remember the other players who actually contributed? Remember the Finals? Remember what happens when the opposing team's defense is focused on Bryant? No? Ok, I'll help refresh your memory:

Kobe Bryant shot a combined 43 of 113. That's a mere 38%. Remember?
That's what you get when the defense shifts from Shaq to Kobe. Shit.

Remember that? No? Hmm, you must be in denial.

And when did I say Kobe was the first option on the team????

You didn't, the way you post about him leads us to believe you take him to be option numero uno or atleast want him to be. I don't think anyone said you said Kobe was option # one, well..they could've but I'm too lazy to actually look. That would mean reading your posts with a gazillion enters in it again.

He did all this without being the first option. Now that he is the first option, he's gonna be only deadlier.

No, he did that because he wasn't the first option. Opposing teams came into the game trying to slow down Shaq, not Kobe. Again, take a look at the Finals, Larry Brown let Shaq do whatever he want, pfff...he let Corliss Williamson guard Shaq, what does that tell you? They are trying to stop him? No, they were stopping Kobe. When they try to stop Shaq, they fail + they lose. If you don't believe this, go back to the three-peat years.

I'll say it again, perhaps by repeating the obvious, it'll stick in your brains. When Shaq is defensive priority number one, he still manages to drop 25 & 10. When Kobe is defensive priority number one, he will manage to drop 20, even if it takes 25 shots. Who cares, right?

Point is, when Kobe is defensive priority numero uno, he has no clue what to do. He just stinks it up. When Shaq is defensive priority numero uno, they are more likely to win, Shaq actually knows when to pass. Kobe? He passes when he has no where to go, clocks winding down, someone has to shoot, right? So yeah, if he passes it to Fisher with 3 on the clock, and Fisher knocks down the shot, he gets the assist. Yay!

And I hear all this talk about Kobe being selfish. What about Shaq???? Who demands the ball every time down the floor?

Normal people (non Kobe fans that is) would actually see this as a good thing. Let's make it simple since you're not getting this through your skull:

Give Shaq ball = win.
Give Kobe wall = smaller chance to win.

Why won't Shaq want the ball? He's got a 50 % chance of actually making the shot. Kobe however, a mere 40%. Who would you choose? It's pretty obvious Phil Jackson (remember him? coached that dude named MJ? Remember? No? Probably too young, anywho...he's this really totally awesome coach, you know? Nah?... ) Anywho, Phil was pretty sure he wanted the ball in Shaq's hands, meh..ofcourse that didn't suit Mr. Bryant, thus the tantrums. Jackson left for many reasons, the biggest probably being Kobe's ego.

Who complains about his teammates lack of heart at the end of games when he himself finds it "impossible" to get back on D.

That comment was made once or twice I think. Did you watch the games following those comments? No? Well, they won. Wowie!!

Such comments are made to fire up the team. It's part of basketball, just as not playing alone is.

he himself finds it "impossible" to get back on D.

Why's the impossible in quotations? Did you take that out of an article? Impossible? Nah, slower? Yes. Take into consideration age etc.

MJ on the Bulls team wasn't the same MJ on the Wizards team. Ofcourse, seeing the flashes of the old MJ is what everyone gathered around to watch.

what happened in Detroit? I think that series speaks for itself.

Yeps, showed the people that don't watch with blind love that everyone just sucked besides Shaq.

I can't comprehend why you're downplaying 26.6 points per game, 10.8 rebounds per game & 1.6 assists per game against the league's best defensive team. Ask me and I'd say that's a bit strange.

Why did the Lakers lose? Because of Shaq's big fat ass not being able to run because he was not able to "get in shape" at anytime during the season.

Hmm no, Shaq was not able to get back on defense during the whole year, yet they made the playoffs? Since they lost because he's not in shape & can't run back on defense, shouldn't they like lose every game?

No, they lost the Finals because Kobe was shut down. Completely.

You're arguments are flawed.

So who is responsible for most of the Lakers success this past year? Of course it's Kobe Bryant.

Buhull fucking shit. That's all I want to say. Success doesn't come by hoisting up shots. Success comes by playing a team game. Saying Bryant was the saviour of the team is bullshit. If I can say Shaq sucked in games, why is that so impossible for you guys to do? I'm most biased when it comes to Shaq, but I can find you posts where I've said Shaq sucked in that game.

Success comes from a team. Failure comes from a team. No one man is to blame. I don't blame Bryant for the Finals, everyone sucked. Don't act as if Kobe was the saving grace.

He's the one that had to fight so much adversity (the trial, the media hating on him, the jetlag, the emotional turmoil, the thought about whether he'll go to jail for the rest of his life or not).

The trial? Could've prevented that if he actually kept his dick in his pants, no?

Media hating on him? Where? When? What? Give me some of what ever it is you are smoking.

The jetlag? Every NBA player suffers from jetlag? What the fuck?

Emotional turmoil? Again, had he kept his dick in his pants, no problems would have arised. He got himself into trouble, why pity him?

The thought of spending his life in prison? Hell yeah, that thought would make me play better too. Why are you using it as a positive thing though?
Again I come back to that same old routine..."had he kept his dick in his pants, he wouldn't be in this situation."

And yet, he still performed at a level higher than anyone in the game; In all of sports.

Bullshit, I saw Hu Wang kick ass in the Sumo Wrestling contest, he went un-beaten. I say he was on a higher level than Kobe.

He is the most clutch player alive today.

Does it count if he's in prison?

where were those teammates in the finals last year???

Wait, you're making these comments without watching the game? Anyways, since no one answered, they were right there with him, on the court.
You must have five players on the court to play. Aren't you glad I helped you out of that question? Yay for me.

He did pass the ball ...

To the basket...

the best option for the lakers was for him to shoot anytime he wanted ... cuz nobody else was able to score.

*cough* Remember that big oompa loompa lump of corruption named Shaquille O'Neal? No? He's the one that dropped 36 & 20 in game four? Remember? No? No wonder you're making these comments.

The only guy who had anything going was Kobe.

Well Shaq too .... but he was too lazy on D.

You add the "well Shaq" too as if he was just playing mediocre basketball and Kobe was shining.

You mentioned Shaq was too lazy on defense but I'm surprised at the fact that you failed to mention Bryant stunk it up? How'd that happen? Hmm, confusing. What say folks?

and that is one of the main reasons we lost to Detroit ... the lack of transition defense.

Maybe, the other "main" reasons could be, Malone sitting out, Payton stinking it up, Bryant not able to hit a shot. (Didn't shy away from trying though...) Both Prince & Hamilton torching Bryant. His defense was non-exsistant. Pff, since I'm getting the chance, how in heavens name can a person that's been named to the All NBA Defensive first team, get torched by Cutino Mobley?
A more puzzling question, how come you guys can never point out bad stuff about Bryant? I'm left here doing it all alone and I'm this Bryant hater?
Meh, dirty job, but someones gotta do it. (Plus it's mucho fun making you guys look like morons. )

Kobe did try to pass the ball in the finals. But the rest of the "role" players coudn't do anything.

I wouldn't be able to do much either if the clock is winding down and you've got no choice to hoist a shot since you've got the ball with 3 seconds remaining.

Why don't you ask Gary Payton yourself???

Do you have his number for me? I lost the paper on which he wrote his number.

So the best option for the Lakers was for Kobe to shoot.

According to who? You + the other Kobe fans? Nah, he wasn't the best option. Shaq was.

Yeah, they let Shaq score also

Seriously, you keep throwing in Shaq's name as if he's some mediocre type role player.

but he can't do it when it counts.

I thought scoring counts for the whole game? If Shaq didn't score, would the game even be close?

If it wasn't for Kobe in game 2, the lakers would have been swept in the finals.

If it wasn't for Shaq's 26.6 points a game, Kobe would have no chance in hell to make the tying three pointer. Stuff that.

My point is that during the championship years, the Lakers always had "role" players. They also had them this year, but nobody stepped up in the finals.

Your point sucks. All those other years Kobe wasn't the numero uno defensive priority, get it thru your fat skull.

The idea of "tough defense" didn't even exist back then. Kobe would have a helluva easy time if he was playing in Magic's era.

Please, do us and everyone around you a favour:

Eat shit and die.

(Ok, Ok, that was inappropriate. Let me explain, defense was much tighter back then then it is at the moment. Please spare me that crap. Oh, you don't have to die anymore.)

It is very close between him and Kobe, but Kobe wins this argument simply because of his clutchness. He's saved the lakers countless times from destruction.

Hmm, your defense for Bryant sucks, better hope he's got a better defense at his trial.

Bryant hasn't done jack-shit alone. Actually better put, he hasn't done jack shit whilst being the opposing teams defensive priority. Magic has, he wins. As simple as that.

Magic wasn't a clutch player? He hasn't saved the Lakers from defeat? Right. Lakers-Boston. Go watch. (Perhaps if you find some shit, eat it & die.)

**diclaimer** I in no way think Kobe sucks. Nor am I a "Kobe Hater", I just like pissing people off. (Kobe fans in paticuliar, they give me most reason to do so. ) **disclaimer**

Wow, that was fun, once again?

nice argumento's now all jackal need is lick shaq balls and he will be the
Shaq's Numero Uno whore.

[Homer]

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[Micchy_boy]

what a stupid poll !!!! MAGIC JOHNSON FOR SURE !!!

why did you vote in this poll or post your choice if this was a stupid poll that make you a stupid too!!!!