X's Tried & True Re-Drafts (Volume 2) *2006 POSTED p.1*

[benji]

Stuckey's not even in a point guard body, he's 6-5/210.

Probably would take Boobie or Balkman before I took Foye.

[The X]

I didn't realise Stuckey was that tall. I thought he was 6'3" (6'4" in shoes) max.

Yep, Foye was a throwaway pick. I was a bit over the 2006 draft at that stage

[Nick]

I'd definitely have Tyrus Thomas in tier 3, and i don't know what the likes of Ryan Hollins, Daniel Gibson and Shawne Williams (scrubs) are doing in tier 4. They'd be in tier 5 (if there was one). But apart from that it looks pretty damn good to me. Nice writeup.

[Kenny]

I always found it strange that Bargs went at number 1, but in the grand scheme of things (and particularly with your tier system), it wasn't a terrible pick really... not as bad as some anyway. With LMA going at number 1 in this draft, it makes me wonder whether it'd possibly prevent the Raptors trading for Jermaine O'Neal.

[benji]

The Raptors wanted Bargnani, that was it. Then they lucked into the first pick and never changed their mind. IIRC they barely even worked anyone else out. They kept the first pick so nobody else could take him.

[The X]

I'd definitely have Tyrus Thomas in tier 3, and i don't know what the likes of Ryan Hollins, Daniel Gibson and Shawne Williams (scrubs) are doing in tier 4. They'd be in tier 5 (if there was one). But apart from that it looks pretty damn good to me. Nice writeup.

You're right with Shawne Williams being a scrub. I shouldn't have put him in it. It was based on his one season with Knicks & assumption that he'll continue that. Unlikely though. I haven't bothered to list anything below tier 4 since they wouldn't make draft lottery.

As for Ryan Hollins, I had to list him. He is after all the best centre in the 2006 draft class

I always found it strange that Bargs went at number 1, but in the grand scheme of things (and particularly with your tier system), it wasn't a terrible pick really... not as bad as some anyway. With LMA going at number 1 in this draft, it makes me wonder whether it'd possibly prevent the Raptors trading for Jermaine O'Neal.

I would hope they wouldn't trade for O'Neal again

EDIT: You've given me an idea, biggest blunders. Check them out now for '06 through '08 drafts & will add them from now on when doing them.

The Raptors wanted Bargnani, that was it. Then they lucked into the first pick and never changed their mind. IIRC they barely even worked anyone else out. They kept the first pick so nobody else could take him.

Indeed, it was no surprise when they picked him. The biggest shock was Bulls taking LMA, who their team needed badly, & traded down for Tyrus Thomas & then Bulls fans trying to justify it for the next few seasons

[Andrew]

I'd have actually been fine with Millsap going to the Bulls with the second pick. As it stands they could've had him at the 46th pick, if they hadn't traded it to Utah. That said, Roy probably is the better choice at that pick, even with his sketchy knees.

[Lamrock]

Bargnani and Ty Thomas to tier 3, as Tyrus is arguably the better of the two.

I would have actually put Roy at #1. Toronto would have probably made a playoff run or two and still have Bosh had they selected Roy. Not to mention his injuries don't necessarily happen so soon with a rational training staff and just different situation/luck. Ford (brief period as borderline all-star) | prime Roy | hopefully not Turkoglu | Bosh | hopefully not Nesterovic.

Aldridge probably goes second to the Bulls, though you could make a case for Rondo there. They probably don't end up getting Rose, but they still had their own thing going then. Much like Arenas, you wonder if he would have succeeded in a different situation. Would put Ty Thomas at fifth or sixth. Rough around the edges and bad offensively, but he's a defensive big with potential and athleticism and is improving.

Fun as always. Looking forward to 05.

[dare]

I would put Roy at #1 too. It would be a great duo between him and Bosh.

As for 05 I think it would be pretty close in your previous do over's.

[Mandich]

Good point Liam made. Prime Roy with Bosh would be a good combo, definetily a playoff caliber one in the East

[The X]

Bargnani and Ty Thomas to tier 3, as Tyrus is arguably the better of the two.

I would have actually put Roy at #1. Toronto would have probably made a playoff run or two and still have Bosh had they selected Roy. Not to mention his injuries don't necessarily happen so soon with a rational training staff and just different situation/luck. Ford (brief period as borderline all-star) | prime Roy | hopefully not Turkoglu | Bosh | hopefully not Nesterovic.

Aldridge probably goes second to the Bulls, though you could make a case for Rondo there. They probably don't end up getting Rose, but they still had their own thing going then. Much like Arenas, you wonder if he would have succeeded in a different situation. Would put Ty Thomas at fifth or sixth. Rough around the edges and bad offensively, but he's a defensive big with potential and athleticism and is improving.

Fun as always. Looking forward to 05.

For the entire redraft I had Bargnani as tier 3. I changed him to tier 2 after the fact. It didn't change his draft spot in my re-draft as I had him top of tier 3.

[NovU]

Great list. I had so much fun reading it.

If we could see Prime-Roy, his numbers would be close to Kobe's as it was for one season before the injury. Just shame shame. But considering his no-knee situation, LMA possibly would end up being the better of two as in whole.

If I am to change the list, first thing would be putting Rondo ahead of Gay. Regardless of his great basic stats, it doesn't translate into a good advanced one. I have a feeling his great numbers weren't that impact-making. The Grizzlies had surprisingly a good season despite his injury as well. Meanwhile, Rondo became one of league's premium point guards with his stellar offense and better defense. So I believe that Rondo's value would be far more significant to the team than gay's, regardless of team's needs at a particular position.

[The X]

Cheers. Rondo was somebody I considered at every spot, 1 through 3 until he eventually went at 4.

[Andrew]

The other thing that has to be considered with Rondo is something we've discussed in another thread recently, namely his effectiveness without Boston's big three. He's as yet unproven in that regard; would he still be able to rack up double digit assists without players of their calibre around (like Steve Nash, whose assists were up slightly last season despite Amar'e's departure) and is he capable of being a bigger scoring threat? At the time, the only competent scorers the Bulls had were Gordon and to a lesser extent Deng, who seems to be more comfortable as the third option. Rondo might not work out so well for a team that needed to pack a bit more of an offensive punch.

[The X]

The other thing that has to be considered with Rondo is something we've discussed in another thread recently, namely his effectiveness without Boston's big three. He's as yet unproven in that regard; would he still be able to rack up double digit assists without players of their calibre around (like Steve Nash, whose assists were up slightly last season despite Amar'e's departure) and is he capable of being a bigger scoring threat? At the time, the only competent scorers the Bulls had were Gordon and to a lesser extent Deng, who seems to be more comfortable as the third option. Rondo might not work out so well for a team that needed to pack a bit more of an offensive punch.

Exactly!!! That was one of the reasons I passed on him at 1, 2 & 3. 1 & 2 were easy, with 3 being harder. The fact the Bobcats were in dire need of a scoring wing (they took Morrison), that's why I tipped my hat to Gay. That and they already had Raymond Felton. A passing point guard who can't shoot a jumper wouldn't have worked as well in Charlotte as Boston, hence why Gay goes at number 3.

[Andrew]

Rondo also had a few bad habits when he came into the league, getting a bit fancy instead of making the simple pass and so on. It's tough to say whether he would've grown out of those habits and become the player that he has without ending up in the situation that he would when the big three were assembled. I still think he would've been a quality player, don't get me wrong, but I agree with dropping him a few spots due to those question marks.

JJ Barea is in a similar situation right now in Dallas. He'll need to settle down a bit because he gets out of control sometimes as well but the talent is there. He'll be more offensively minded whereas Rondo is the superior defender, but if he can reign it in a bit and continue to hone his game then he should stand a chance at being a quality successor to Jason Kidd. As it stands in the re-draft, I think he's a solid pick for the Jazz; he could be getting that opportunity to flourish now in the wake of the Deron Williams trade.

[Kenny]

I can't wait for the 05 draft. There's some interesting decisions to make in that. CP3 would almost definitely go number 1, but I'm more interested to see where Bogut will fall to. I think he could still be a top 5 selection.

[Andrew]

Agreed, Chris Paul surely goes first but with Deron Williams, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Bynum, Danny Granger, David Lee, Raymond Felton and Monta Ellis you've got some interesting options for the rest of the lottery. I'm guessing we could also see Brandon Bass, Andray Blatche and Louis Williams go higher, with Channing Frye and Nate Robinson possibly in the mix. I see Marvin Williams, Charlie Villanueva, Martell Webster, Ike Diogu, Fran Vázquez, Yaroslav Korolev, Sean May and Rashad McCants being the ones to drop out of the top fourteen.

[The X]

As you know, bigs generally get preference if in same tier so probably a good chance. Sadly his injuries will likely hold him back somewhat.

[Kenny]

I think Villanueva could be on the bubble there. He'd probably just sneak into my lottery, because he turned into a relatively serviceable player. I'd be tempted to put Deron Williams in tier one as well.

[The X]

Yep, Deron is somebody that could go either way. I'll need to look at his advanced stats and contemplate that.

I should say that 2005 NBA Draft was highly entertaining. I remember watching it, laughing at Stephen A. going nuts over Villanueva pick