Darco carrer night!!!

[Stevan]

Darco´s fav is BUSTa rhymes.
Well darco miilits isn´t a bust he is BUST.
LOL,he is 213 cm he is wide open and he missed that dunk-MAN.
How is that possible.?

You Heidi, are an ass. Darko missed a dunk. So what? Have you ever made one? Unlikely.

[Matt]

OMG, didnt MJ miss an open dunk in the allstar game not long ago. what a freakinn ass, how did he get there in the 1st place, he cant even make an open dunk. How embarassing, wat a loser that MJ is.

and what about Mahmoud Abdul Rauf (do u even know who he is) who didn't make a signle dunk in the dunk contest

I wonder if your gonna jump on the Darco bandwagon as you did on the Lebron James bandwagon when Darco develops his game

[Matthew]

when Darco develops his game

If Darko develops his game..

[EGarrett]

Darco´s fav is BUSTa rhymes.
Well darco miilits isn´t a bust he is BUST.
LOL,he is 213 cm he is wide open and he missed that dunk-MAN.
How is that possible.?

You Heidi, are an ass. Darko missed a dunk. So what? Have you ever made one? Unlikely.

Attacking Heido is just going to lead to a flame. Stop it.

[Matt]

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when Darco develops his game


If Darko develops his game..

well im confident its more of a 'when' than 'if'

[benji]

Detroit has 2 role players on offense in Rip and Chauncey, and they cant be relied upon to be goto guy

It may be just me...but Chauncey Billups has been the go-to-guy for the Pistons time and time and time again the last two years and he has come through more than not...and if Rip is a role player, so is Anthony...

Then why bring them in (or at least sura and campbell) if they are rebuilding..

Contracts. Cap Space.

Did detroit fuck up by not drafting melo and deciding to rebuild... i think they did.

They decided to rebuild four years ago...so they fucked up deciding to rebuild? They should've lost forever like the Clippers and Neo-Bulls?

Darko has shown me nothing yet. A shawn bradley mixed with kwame brown

Said the guy who's watched him play four minutes...

but inside scorer? Darco isn't an inside scorer just yet, your argument is way off right here

Except that's the best way he scores right now.

Minnesota did in 1996 when kg was breaking out, they traded Christian Laetner for spud webb (lol) so KG could break out, and this was in kgs first season

They traded Laettner (and Rooks) for Andrew Lang and Spud Webb for because he was an asshole and a bad influence.

Ben was critical of Jordan for bringing in Oak-Tree and Byron Russel, but he isnt critical of Dumars bringing in these other players...

Because Dumars isn't making the Pistons play Sura and Campbell big minutes in a futile attempt to make the playoffs...infact Campbell dropped out of the rotation completely before Zelly got sick...

So tell me how Detroit was better offensively and lost to New Jersy.. New jersey is better defensively? lol..

You don't think New Jersey was better than the Pistons defensively? Then how did they finish second and first the last two years in defense while Detroit only finished eighth and fourth? How was Detroit better offensively? I guess they scored better. All I know is they were 10th and 13th the last two years and New Jersey was 18th and 21st. So unless we're counting backwards, Detroit was better.

[Matthew]

well im confident its more of a 'when' than 'if'

What exactly gives you this confidence, it cant be his stats.. so is it hype?

It may be just me...but Chauncey Billups has been the go-to-guy for the Pistons time and time and time again the last two years and he has come through more than not...and if Rip is a role player, so is Anthony...

Except against New Jersey, where the Nets were able to controll him, somthing I doubt would happen if Melo was there, becuase he can break a defense down when he has the ball, and can also space the court when he doesnt have the ball becuase he is a proven scorer. Somthing Darko isn't yet and may never be..

Contracts. Cap Space.

They brought in Elden campbell for cap space? Wasnt he signed as a free agent?

They decided to rebuild four years ago...so they fucked up deciding to rebuild? They should've lost forever like the Clippers and Neo-Bulls?

The Bulls fucked up by breaking up the team in 98 as well, thats even more unforgiveable than what the pistons have done. The reason I think they fucked up is that Ben Wallace, Corliss and even Chauncey Billups may be at their primes (or as good as they ever will be in the future), yet they decided to rebuild after 2 succesfull seasons. They would be alot closer to the championship level that Joe Dumars yearns for with Carmelo Anthony than they are with Darko at this present moment. Darko is just one big hope... he might not develop, ever. And thats a real possibility... just look at kwame.

Said the guy who's watched him play four minutes...

It's not my fault he is too shit to get any meaningful minutes.

Except that's the best way he scores right now.

And how do you know that? From his whole 5 points he's scored all season long?

They traded Laettner (and Rooks) for Andrew Lang and Spud Webb for because he was an asshole and a bad influence.

They traded Laetner to allow KG to develop. Those other things may have had somthing to do with it, but to get KG in the starting lineup was the main reason.

Because Dumars isn't making the Pistons play Sura and Campbell big minutes in a futile attempt to make the playoffs...infact Campbell dropped out of the rotation completely before Zelly got sick...

And Oakley and Russell werent getting a whole lot of minutes last season either... and you were critical of Mike the season before they brought in oakly and russell...

You don't think New Jersey was better than the Pistons defensively? Then how did they finish second and first the last two years in defense while Detroit only finished eighth and fourth? How was Detroit better offensively? I guess they scored better. All I know is they were 10th and 13th the last two years and New Jersey was 18th and 21st. So unless we're counting backwards, Detroit was better.

No I dont. I think last season Detroit was better defensively and New Jersey was superior offensively... but the gaps were alot bigger. New Jersey was very good defensively, detorit was only just better. And offensively New Jersey was good when they got on the break, and even when they didnt they were better half court than detroit (which isnt saying anything actually). Detroit really lacks that goto guy on offense. Carmelo would help them in that department right now, instead of darko who is just not getting any minutes.. and if you say its rebuilding, thats why i think they fucked up, becuase they made the conference finals last season and then they start to rebuild when they were like 2 or 3 peices away from being a championship team, and instead of getting one of those peices in Carmelo they decided to draft a project player who may never end up being better than melo anyway.
Like I said, unless they make the finals with Darko, I wont ever think that detroit made the right move in not taking carmelo... and like i said before, look at what impact players like kenyon martin and tim duncan did for their teams when they were drafted and ready to contribute straight away...

[benji]

Look, you can continue to doubt Darko, Matthew but just remember. Who said the Wizards would be no lower than third in the East and win it if the Nets didn't (which they didn't) and who said they wouldn't make the playoffs.

... and like i said before, look at what impact players like kenyon martin and tim duncan did for their teams when they were drafted and ready to contribute straight away...

Carmelo Anthony isn't a Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan is a god. Carmelo Anthony is a role player (or so you said).

then they start to rebuild

They started rebuilding four years ago. They didn't start after last season. When are you going to get this right?

No I dont. I think last season Detroit was better defensively and New Jersey was superior offensively...

But that's wrong. I just told you, Detroit was 13th offensively and 4th defensively, New Jersey was 21st and 1st.

[Jackal]

Detroit was 13th offensively and 4th defensively, New Jersey was 21st and 1st.

Where can I get these stats from? I would like to view of other teams, please.

[Matthew]

Look, you can continue to doubt Darko, Matthew but just remember. Who said the Wizards would be no lower than third in the East and win it if the Nets didn't (which they didn't) and who said they wouldn't make the playoffs

Funny you should say that, I remember you bodly predicting that the Wizards were going to make the NBA finals against the lakers

Carmelo Anthony isn't a Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan is a god. Carmelo Anthony is a role player (or so you said).

I never said he would be a tim duncan, what my point was is that Carmelo couldve provided immediate help for the Pistons similar to how Duncan and Kenyon Martin did.

They started rebuilding four years ago. They didn't start after last season. When are you going to get this right?

Where can I get these stats from? I would like to view of other teams, please.

I too would like to see where these numbers are from..

[benji]

Funny you should say that, I remember you bodly predicting that the Wizards were going to make the NBA finals against the lakers

That was my ratings pick...my real pick was Kings-Hornets but they both let me down...and instead we got the Battle of the Bricks. As for the rating pick, Jermaine O'Neal saved the All-Star Game and the rest of the league saved the Finals.

I too would like to see where these numbers are from..

They're from any site that has NBA stats. NBA.com, ESPN.com, whatever. I personally use ESPN.com since they have the nice schedule and teamstats all together.

[Boyk]

Quote:
well im confident its more of a 'when' than 'if'

What exactly gives you this confidence, it cant be his stats.. so is it hype?

I think its his talent and potential that makes him confident to say when his game develops

[Matt]

Detroit has 2 role players on offense in Rip and Chauncey, and they cant be relied upon to be goto guy

I believe Billups led the league in game winning baskets last season, had like 12 i think. Scored like crazy against the Magic in the playoffs in the last 3 games, he's just more than a role player

yet they decided to rebuild after 2 succesfull seasons. They would be alot closer to the championship level that Joe Dumars yearns for with Carmelo Anthony than they are with Darko at this present moment. Darko is just one big hope... he might not develop, ever. And thats a real possibility... just look at kwame.

Joe D explained that the Pistons 'maxed out' with the team they had and a change had to be done, a change that would take the team a slight step back but still keep it competitive



Anyway, the Pistons can win the East w/o Darko contributing. It's all up to Brown to figure out how to use the players. He now plays C Will at SF exclusively and he's responded with some real good games. Theres no team in the East that is head and shoulders above the rest so anyone is with a good chance to get massacred by the West. [/quote]

[fgrep15]

http://www.freep.com/sports/pistons/pcorn2_20040102.htm

[Matthew]

I think its his talent and potential that makes him confident to say when his game develops

Lol, talent and potential.... from what exactly? He hasnt done anything so at the moment he is all hype.. nothing more. Maybe one day he will be good, but no one can say for sure and no one can even say "well he's done this and that" becuase he hasnt.. he has like 5 points... 5 points.

I believe Billups led the league in game winning baskets last season, had like 12 i think. Scored like crazy against the Magic in the playoffs in the last 3 games, he's just more than a role player

12 game winning baskets hey? I remember him having 3... which is still good, But he can't carry the load by himself. This is where Carmelo would come in and at least take some of the burdon of Chauncey's shoulders.

Joe D explained that the Pistons 'maxed out' with the team they had and a change had to be done, a change that would take the team a slight step back but still keep it competitive

But in taking Carmelo they wouldve accounted for their future as well. Melo is only 19 or 20... so he will get better too, and even if he doesnt the pistons wouldve had a very solid player. With Darko, he has to really elevate his game just to reach carmelo now, and there is a big question mark on if he can do that...

Anyway, the Pistons can win the East w/o Darko contributing. It's all up to Brown to figure out how to use the players. He now plays C Will at SF exclusively and he's responded with some real good games. Theres no team in the East that is head and shoulders above the rest so anyone is with a good chance to get massacred by the West.

Well, if detroit does happen to make it, just remember they wouldve been better with Carmelo on their team this year so their chances of winning would be better...

[Matt]

12 game winning baskets hey? I remember him having 3... which is still good, But he can't carry the load by himself.

well it was like 3,4 that he made at the buzzer, but the rest where in the final minute or seconds and were the last score of the game

Well, if detroit does happen to make it, just remember they wouldve been better with Carmelo on their team this year so their chances of winning would be better...

maybe, but that doesnt translate to success in the Finals. Joe had a good piece in Prince and he didnt change anything. Would Melo help the Pistons offensivley? probably. Is anything worng with the Pistons offence? No. They have Billups and Hamilton at 18+ppg, Prince at 10.9 and Wallace and Okur with 9.6 and 9.5 respectively, Okur having started just 12 of 34. Thats 5 of the teams top scorers, and they are all in the starting lineup, at least Okur is for now. Last season they had Wallace and Curry as offensive non factors (in a way Wallace still is but he's taking shots and punishing teams for leaving him open). Now they have 5 guys who score, and they still have their defence, as the record of teams failing to score 100+ against them shows.

The Pistons are sorta adding pieces rather than rebuilding. They have Sura and Campbell who can play but whose contracts do expire which allows Joe to strut his magic. This is how Joe deals, for expiring contracts but also for guys who can play but are not in the long term interests of the team. Look at Cliff, excellent defender and the team does miss him but by the time they are supposed to hit their prime he will be/should be pretty useless, so he's dealt away for Sura who's 5mill expires and gives the Pistons room to re-sign Memo.

[fgrep15]

http://www.detnews.com/2004/pistons/040 ... -25799.htm

[fgrep15]

Darko records career highs, scoring 6 and grabbing 4 boards against the Rockets

http://www.nba.com/games/20040107/HOUDET/boxscore.html

[The Big Racist]

whoa! he did it in 6 minutes

[wangster]

He was 4 pts, 6 rebounds, and 9 blocks shy of a triple-double.
Definitely not up to par with his usual performances. I'm highly disappointed.

What happened to Yao in this game, by the way? Where did he go?

[Vins15]

lol@wangster

Milicic actually dunked successfully this time...way to go Darko..and the funny thing is after that dunk every body in the arena was in standing ovation..they rili hope he'll turn to another Tim Duncan eh?

[air gordon]

i'm surprised this thread has survived this long. maybe this thread should be sticky since darko receives a lot attention, whether it be positive or negative. didn't think he would be outscoring yao this soon....

What happened to Yao in this game, by the way? Where did he go?

van gundy sounded very scott skiles like and said that he put in players that deserved to out there in the 2nd half

[Matt]

Um, arkow dunked twice!!!!!

[RedTorro]

http://www.jimrome.com/home/article/article_2.html

[Swoosh]

Darko 9minutes, WOOT! Three rebounds and an assists but he was 0 for 2 of the field , i'm not giving up hope on this kid !