it also help the perimeter players b/c people are less willing to drive against ben wallace......he also takes charges a lot and he gets steals....stats don't show everyhting
ratliff is a good blocker but people aren't as intimidated to drive on him.....shaq also is a guy that causes fear in the eyes of slashers
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by showstopper496 on Sat Dec 13, 2003 6:04 am
Mark Nordstrom wrote:showstopper496 wrote:Ben Wallance in the biggest overated piece of shit.
KMart, Abdur-Rahim >>>>>>>>> Wallace.
KMART
PPG RPG BPG
18.2 9.5 2.1
ABDUR-RAHIM
PPG RPG BPG
20.8 9.7 .5
And here are Ben numbers
PPG RPG BPG
912 3
I get sooooo fucking mad when wallace starts a all star game and martin and abdur rahim dont even get selected. 9 points per game is not worth a all star starting spot. Dont tell me about defence ben only averages 2 more boards per game than martin and abdur rahim. Martin is a good shot blocker too. I also think martin is a better one on one defender than wallace. FUCK YOU GO TO HELL YOU OVERATED PIECE OF SHIT
STATS MEAN SHIT when seeing if a player is the best defensive player in league. Show me how many points other Cs or Fowards score against BEN. Ill tell you its alot less then what they score on Oneal and Rahim.
alright DIPSHIT abdur rahim maybe bad but KENYON MARTIN IS BETTER THAN BEN. you have to admit that. LASt 5 games kenyon is averaging 22 points, 13 rebounds and 2 blocks. BEN IS JUST DEFENSIVE PLAYER. HE SUCKS COCK ON OFFENCE. MARTIN IS ALSO ONE OF THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYERS IN THE NBA
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by 1CenT on Sat Dec 13, 2003 6:31 pm
kenyon is great... defense wise.. he is just up there with ben wallace as a man to man defender.. kenyon could be better if he was bigger.. he can't really guard big centers as well as ben wallace.. ben also is feared more by slashers than martin..
shaq in my opinion is the best defender feared by slashes .. mutombo 2 years ago would be just as scary..
shaq in my opinion is the best defender feared by slashes .. mutombo 2 years ago would be just as scary..
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by paul_pierce_the_truth on Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:12 pm
I am not a fan of Tim Duncan, but honestly he is a complete player, his defense like Michael Jordan's was in the beginning will be overlooked for awhile. I believe the best defender at any position is Duncan, stats or no stats.
Ben Wallace is a key player for Detroit, but it must be noted that he wonders a bit, trys to do too much sometimes and simple things happen as a result, teams dump the ball off to his man when he comes over to block the shot and he just leaves his man standing two inches from the basket, sometimes too much defense or hustle can hurt you, you have to be solid and steady, not wild and crazy. Duncan stays at home, doesn't get all the loose balls and that, but his guy is right in front of him and isn't getting the ball for an open dunk. I also believe that you must have some ability at both ends of the court, this idea Larry Brown has about Wallace getting touches and shots will absolutely backfire to no end.
A guy like Ron Artest has worked very very hard on his discipline and his shooting, his defensive skills are all set, he is getting to be quite effective at jumpshooting and offensive skills, Wallace just forces crazy shots and is the worst free throw shooter that ever played basketball, I tend to agree it's good having him doing all he does to a point, but he needs to stay at home and out think people sometimes and allowing him to play offense without a reasonable skill is dangerous.
Dennis Rodman and Ben Wallace are almost the same, except Rodman played better position and on the ball defense, also never shot the ball really and didn't worry about blocking all 5 players shots, he stayed like glue on his man and reacted later to the ball than Wallace, someone like Tim Duncan gets clean blocks and holds the fort down with a more steady approach.
I would rather have Kenyon Martin on my team, than Ben Wallace.
If you combine blocked shots + steals + points - turnovers = something to consider, I mean it seems to me someone like Martin brings more to the table as a whole.
These are grown men without much fear (Antoine Walker stood up to Shaq in the Dallas/LA game tonight, he admitted that Shaq later said he was going to kick his ass and he was worried about it until he and Shaq talked later in the game) the regular rotation players are not afraid of Ben Wallace, Steve Nash would take it directly to him without even thinking twice, most guys in the league who are from tough neighborhoods or have been around the NBA awhile, really have seen everything, Ben Wallace may change team ideas for one game against Detroit because of him, but not always in favor of him, they might do what I mentioned about him walking away from his man to block Steve Nash and have Nash dump it to Nowitzki for a lay-up.
Wallace is what the league likes to promote as some oddball afro puffed retro cool hustling diving for loose balls or something like an orginal comicbook character, but I don't think Vince Carter wouldn't think twice about throwing down a dunk on Wallace.
Ben Wallace is a key player for Detroit, but it must be noted that he wonders a bit, trys to do too much sometimes and simple things happen as a result, teams dump the ball off to his man when he comes over to block the shot and he just leaves his man standing two inches from the basket, sometimes too much defense or hustle can hurt you, you have to be solid and steady, not wild and crazy. Duncan stays at home, doesn't get all the loose balls and that, but his guy is right in front of him and isn't getting the ball for an open dunk. I also believe that you must have some ability at both ends of the court, this idea Larry Brown has about Wallace getting touches and shots will absolutely backfire to no end.
A guy like Ron Artest has worked very very hard on his discipline and his shooting, his defensive skills are all set, he is getting to be quite effective at jumpshooting and offensive skills, Wallace just forces crazy shots and is the worst free throw shooter that ever played basketball, I tend to agree it's good having him doing all he does to a point, but he needs to stay at home and out think people sometimes and allowing him to play offense without a reasonable skill is dangerous.
Dennis Rodman and Ben Wallace are almost the same, except Rodman played better position and on the ball defense, also never shot the ball really and didn't worry about blocking all 5 players shots, he stayed like glue on his man and reacted later to the ball than Wallace, someone like Tim Duncan gets clean blocks and holds the fort down with a more steady approach.
I would rather have Kenyon Martin on my team, than Ben Wallace.
If you combine blocked shots + steals + points - turnovers = something to consider, I mean it seems to me someone like Martin brings more to the table as a whole.
These are grown men without much fear (Antoine Walker stood up to Shaq in the Dallas/LA game tonight, he admitted that Shaq later said he was going to kick his ass and he was worried about it until he and Shaq talked later in the game) the regular rotation players are not afraid of Ben Wallace, Steve Nash would take it directly to him without even thinking twice, most guys in the league who are from tough neighborhoods or have been around the NBA awhile, really have seen everything, Ben Wallace may change team ideas for one game against Detroit because of him, but not always in favor of him, they might do what I mentioned about him walking away from his man to block Steve Nash and have Nash dump it to Nowitzki for a lay-up.
Wallace is what the league likes to promote as some oddball afro puffed retro cool hustling diving for loose balls or something like an orginal comicbook character, but I don't think Vince Carter wouldn't think twice about throwing down a dunk on Wallace.
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