Tex explains the trianlgle with Jim Rome...

Here's a taste of how the triangle is supposed to work, right out of the mouth of Tex Winter. This is how the Mailman, Kobe, Shaq, and GP will work within it.

http://www.jimrome.com/archives/7152003 ... ticle.html

more on Tex..

http://www.jimrome.com/home/jungle/quote_unquote.html

finally now scubilete and Shane don't have to fight anymore...

Oh yeah, that talk was tiring my eyes... They don't know what they are talkin' about...

Weird...if you read all of those the ball isn't in the point guard's hands for distributing often, nor is he the focal point of the offense....

I think is better to wait, that's all you can do, you don't have to start over this thing again if none of us is Phil Jackson, again the Triangle is not the only play the Lakers have and all I know is that Payton will get his assists, all I do is recognizing the abilities of a guy who has spent his life scoring more than others who share the ball as much as he does.

Meaning: A guy who is used to shoot/score almost 20% of his former team shots/scoring and even like that he was giving 8 assists per game, what would it be now that he is not going to be the one shooting but forced to pass the ball to someone who shoots or scores more?

In Malone's thread I posted the link, just copying an info text for those who still don't get what Payton is:

“The presence of Payton won’t do that much for their perimeter shooting, although he’s not bad out there. But what GP can provide is a ballhandler who can remove that burden from Kobe’s plate and a skilled passer who can maximize Kobe’s ability to move without the ball.”

Anything else?

“Yeah, Payton, like Kobe, gives the Lakers a drive-and-kick option that Derek Fisher couldn’t provide when the shot clock’s winding own.”

Phil will get his design to work with these guys cause he needs them, if he just wanted those to fill a position there, then the Lakers wouldn't spend their last millions in these old guys but giving those to Fisher to continue doing it.

But let's see something from those drawings.

Back Door Lob: If the center is not open, the power forward will flash to ball. If the defense overplays the power forward (4), it's up to the point guard (1) to look for a backdoor lob pass to the power forward.

That might be an assist coming from PG.

Pass To The Corner: This option starts with the small forward (3) passing to point guard (1) in the corner, and then making a "shuffle cut" off the post man. The point (1) will pass it back to the small forward (3) if he is open.

If the small forward is covered, the center (5) will set a screen on the ball for the point (1), and then rolls to the basket.

That might be another assist coming from PG.

However, I have no more comments..., I let the time decide who's right, who's wrong without having to put other people's mind to work , just remember, 6 assists.

the ball isn't in the point guard's hands for distributing often

"Often" is the key word...most of the plays center around the small forward passing into the post or the point guard coming off screens....

I think is better to wait, that's all you can do, you don't have to start over this thing again if none of us is Phil Jackson, again the Triangle is not the only play the Lakers have and all I know is that Payton will get his assists, all I do is recognizing the abilities of a guy who has spent his life scoring more than others who share the ball as much as he does.

I didn't start this over again, someone else in this thread did...but the thing is, according to this Tex Winter triangle....the ball is NOT in Payton's hands much...and since that's what I said in the other post...

Meaning: A guy who is used to shoot/score almost 20% of his former team shots/scoring and even like that he was giving 8 assists per game, what would it be now that he is not going to be the one shooting but forced to pass the ball to someone who shoots or scores more?

You mean forced to pass to another player who passes it to another player for a score? That's not an assist...that's a pass...and according to the triangle, the ball is not in the point guard's hands all that much for distributing...which is EXACTLY what I said....

Phil will get his design to work with these guys cause he needs them, if he just wanted those to fill a position there, then the Lakers wouldn't spend their last millions in these old guys but giving those to Fisher to continue doing it.

I'm sure he will get the design to work eventually...but I still don't feel that Payton fits into the Lakers. Who would you take: Gilbert Arenas or Gary Payton? PJ Brown or Karl Malone? Nuff said on your last comment...

Oh, also, there's seven different plays in the triangle offense....that are shown in that article. There's probably more. But seeing as that's the Lakers primary offense and there's at least seven different sets within that offense, I doubt they'll deviate too much from the triangle. They might move to a high post to utilize the pick and roll with Payton and Malone, but they can do that in the triangle...or they could move to a motion offense when they have a smaller lineup, say, Fisher, Payton, Kobe, Malone, and Medvedenko....there's quite a few options for this with this team, but for the most part, expect them to be running the triangle because it's worked in the past and because it's Tex Winter's last year as a pro-assistant (according to him).

just remember, 6 assists.

Actually Steve, you said 5/6.

In case it does affect Payton's Asissts, all I would ask how significantly? Having Shaq on the team, is it possible not to average over 5/6 assists per game?

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You mean forced to pass to another player who passes it to another player for a score? That's not an assist...

Pass To The Corner: This option starts with the small forward (3) passing to point guard (1) in the corner, and then making a "shuffle cut" off the post man. The point (1) will pass it back to the small forward (3) if he is open.

(does that mean to shoot the ball?)

If the small forward is covered, the center (5) will set a screen on the ball for the point (1), and then rolls to the basket.

(Is 5 rolling to the basket to watch the game? )

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Who would you take: Gilbert Arenas or Gary Payton? PJ Brown or Karl Malone?

Payton & Malone obviously. That's like asking who do I prefer, MJ or Caron Butler? . Just cause Butler had a good season and is young doesn't mean that he would do the same job with other stars around him, MJ (as Payton & Malone) is a veteran who knows much better the job. PJ Brown?, he he he, that guy can't hit any of his shots unless he's on practice, at least no comparing him to the Mail Man.

You mean forced to pass to another player who passes it to another player for a score?

Strange, I thought you understood the Triangle more than myself, I posted 2 of the plays where the PG has 95% of getting an assist but there's nothing I can do to open other people's eyes, . Just ignore them.

I didn't start this over again, someone else in this thread did...but the thing is, according to this Tex Winter triangle....the ball is NOT in Payton's hands much...and since that's what I said in the other post...

Here we go again, I didn't say you did start anything & I visited the diagrams and I do see plays designed for a PG to get his assists, I posted those and since that's what I was arguing, I'm satisfied.

tex winters belongs in the hall of fame!

scub/shane.. seems like your discussion is heading nowhere at this point. IMO seems more appropriate to continue it on msn or some other IM program

pj brown was 4th in the league in fg percentage scoobydoo

Here we go again, I didn't say you did start anything & I visited the diagrams and I do see plays designed for a PG to get his assists, I posted those and since that's what I was arguing, I'm satisfied.

I said wrote:
the ball isn't in the point guard's hands for distributing often


"Often" is the key word...most of the plays center around the small forward passing into the post or the point guard coming off screens....

pj brown was 4th in the league in fg percentage

True, let's start comparing PJ Hall of Famer Brown with Malone the guy who has never been 4th in the league in fg percentage now.

he he he, that guy can't hit any of his shots unless he's on practice, at least no comparing him to the Mail Man.

IMO seems more appropriate to continue it on msn or some other IM program

I agree but I said I'm satisfied and I am. Thank you Redbull for getting those links, now I believe all we can do is wait, I don't know if anyone else agree but at least I don't think I'm offending anyone if I decide to wait at least the middle of the season and check Payton's assists. I'm really tired of arguing with some that just don't listen other points, it's like some MJ fans, in fact I consider those MJ fans would admit things easier at some point.

I'm really tired of arguing with some that just don't listen other points

I feel the same way.....even though you're as stubborn as I....but then again, you haven't been right, either...

even though you're as stubborn as I

you haven't been right, either...

Nobody has. Since we are predicting, just when the season ends we could say who got the closest prediction.