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fisher shot is 4th best

Sat May 15, 2004 2:34 pm

well espn as usual looks up crazy stuff and they rankedDerek Fisher's Buzzer beater as the 4th best in playoff history.

10. Kenny Smith's big three (1995 NBA Finals, Game 1)

9. Jerry West's 60-footer (1970 NBA Finals, Game 3)

8. Alonzo Mourning stuns the Celtics (1993 Eastern Conference first round, Game 4)

7. Ralph Sampson shuts down Showtime (1986 Western Conference finals, Game 5)

6. John Stockton's 3 shoots Jazz into Finals (1997 Western Conference finals, Game 6)

5. Gar Heard and the Greatest Game Ever (1976 NBA Finals, Game 5)

4. Derek Fisher's Point-Four (2004 Western Conference semifinals, Game 5)

3. Big-Shot Rob sinks Kings (2002 Western Conference finals, Game 4)

2. Vinnie Johnson's title-winner (1990 NBA Finals, Game 5)

1. Jordan hangs, Ehlo descends (1989 Eastern Conference first round, Game 5)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... zerbeaters for a description of each one :) too bad they don't have videos of them :(

Sat May 15, 2004 3:00 pm

Fourth best? I would have placed shots such as Jerry West's 60 footer ahead of it. A few of those could be swapped around, actually.

Sun May 16, 2004 5:40 am

Michael Jordan's "Last shot"(supposedly) over Bryon Russell in the finals is not on the list... :?

Sun May 16, 2004 6:27 am

MJ's shot wasn't a buzzer beater though. John Stockton had a chance to win the game with a 3.

Sun May 16, 2004 11:35 am

Where's Magic's baby hook against Boston in the 1987 Finals?

Re: fisher shot is 4th best

Sun May 16, 2004 11:44 am

Amphatoast wrote:1. Jordan hangs, Ehlo descends (1989 Eastern Conference first round, Game 5)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... zerbeaters for a description of each one :) too bad they don't have videos of them :(

u mean this shot?
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Sun May 16, 2004 12:35 pm

lmao genocide :lol:
tht pic u made from the game.... jordan is way behind the 3 point line, lol
probly missed tht shot in the game

Sun May 16, 2004 12:36 pm

MaD_hAND1e wrote:lmao genocide :lol:
tht pic u made from the game.... jordan is way behind the 3 point line, lol
probly missed tht shot in the game

i actually made that LMAO

Sun May 16, 2004 11:15 pm

the_game wrote:Michael Jordan's "Last shot"(supposedly) over Bryon Russell in the finals is not on the list... :?


Probably cause the pushoff arguments would've re-occured.

Kalr Malone to this day still goes on about that, he mentioned it on the Hot Seat on Sportscenter.

Yes he did pushoff, but how many times is that called on guys like Michael Jordan?

Sun May 16, 2004 11:34 pm

Andrew wrote:Fourth best? I would have placed shots such as Jerry West's 60 footer ahead of it. A few of those could be swapped around, actually.


But remember that they lost in the OverTime. Fisher shot won the game.

Mon May 17, 2004 2:14 pm

Laddas_KB8_CA15 wrote:Kalr Malone to this day still goes on about that, he mentioned it on the Hot Seat on Sportscenter.

Yes he did pushoff, but how many times is that called on guys like Michael Jordan?


It's funny, no one ever mentions the way Reggie Miller pushed Michael Jordan with TWO hands before hitting the game winning shot in Game 3 of the 1998 Eastern Conference Finals. Another double standard to take away from Jordan's accomplishments. (N)

Slam harder wrote:But remember that they lost in the OverTime. Fisher shot won the game.


I guess. Still, Jerry West hit a 60 footer, playing with a sprained wrist (if I recall correctly) to force overtime - that's still an amazing feat. :wink:

Mon May 17, 2004 4:22 pm

If the 3 pt line existed, he would have won!
But I think the Fisher shot is pretty up there in importance...It changed the whole series...

Mon May 17, 2004 6:26 pm

Andrew wrote:It's funny, no one ever mentions the way Reggie Miller pushed Michael Jordan with TWO hands before hitting the game winning shot in Game 3 of the 1998 Eastern Conference Finals. Another double standard to take away from Jordan's accomplishments. (N)


I remember this game that was a shame ! :x First Reggie Miller plays like a girl by charging MJ to get the ball, then Jordan miss the buzzer shot for almost nothing ... anyway, that was still not enough as the Bulls eventually won the series,

Mon May 17, 2004 6:29 pm

the reason fisher is this high is becuz there was only 0.4 secs left on the clock. i dont think anybody in nba history has made a basket with that little time left. fisher's shot deserves to be up there with the all time greats.

Tue May 18, 2004 4:33 pm

alexboom wrote:
Andrew wrote:It's funny, no one ever mentions the way Reggie Miller pushed Michael Jordan with TWO hands before hitting the game winning shot in Game 3 of the 1998 Eastern Conference Finals. Another double standard to take away from Jordan's accomplishments. (N)


I remember this game that was a shame ! :x First Reggie Miller plays like a girl by charging MJ to get the ball, then Jordan miss the buzzer shot for almost nothing ... anyway, that was still not enough as the Bulls eventually won the series,


That's a good point actually, the Bulls did win the series so in the end Miller's shot didn't make as much difference, whereas MJ's shot in the NBA Finals sealed the championship. But the Pacers did come pretty close to toppling the Bulls in 7 games, something that may not have happened had Miller been called for an offensive foul and the Bulls gone up 3-0.

But it's the same old double standard, one of the most popular along with:
  • MJ's six titles do not make him a great player as teams win titles, not individual players (yet Bill Russell is considered a great player as he won 11 titles in 13 years)
  • MJ scores 69 points, he's a ballhog; Wilt scores 100, he's a dominant offensive player

Anyway, I apologise for wandering a little off-topic, but the shot did come up earlier in the thread. Back to the topic at hand...

bangyounh wrote:But I think the Fisher shot is pretty up there in importance...It changed the whole series...

propulsionDJ wrote:the reason fisher is this high is becuz there was only 0.4 secs left on the clock. i dont think anybody in nba history has made a basket with that little time left. fisher's shot deserves to be up there with the all time greats.


Good points. I certainly acknowledge the importance of Fisher's shot and the difficulty, but a couple of those other shots were just as significant in their respective series, and not a whole lot easier. Gar Heard's shot in the 1976 Finals could probably have been ranked higher, for example.

Don't get me wrong, I certainly don't want to take anything away from Fisher's shot or this year's playoffs. It's not a matter of bringing down the accomplishment, just a matter of acknowledging some of the others throughout NBA history.[/list]

Tue May 18, 2004 6:38 pm

propulsionDJ wrote:the reason fisher is this high is becuz there was only 0.4 secs left on the clock. i dont think anybody in nba history has made a basket with that little time left. fisher's shot deserves to be up there with the all time greats.

Not only that, also lets not forget that Duncan made a impossible jumpshot with to give the game 0.4 seconds left to get a 1 point lead, which would most likely mean a win for the Spurs, but still winning the game in 0.4 seconds is just simply amazing, I doubt ESPN would rank this shot this high if it wasnt for Duncan to make his shot in the first place
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