MIP Award 2007-08

[Pirrimarzon]

For me, Most Improved Player Award should be for Kelenna Azubuike. Do you think there are more candidates??

[tempo]

dwight howard for me. i know his more likely to be in MVP consideration tho.

[SpaceFlare]

I think Ronnie Brewer is a strong candidate as well.

Oh, and Damien Wilkens. He's been playing terrific this season. Recently dropping 41 points on the Hawks.

[benji]

How about Bynum? Brewer is a good one. Felton.

[-Young Buck-]

Mike Dunleavy. He was shit last year, now he is really good.

[Gundy]

I like Rashad McCants to win it.

[Its_asdf]

Webster, Rudy Gay, Damien Wilkins, Mike Dunleavy are other names I'd put on the list. This year there has been a lot of suprises so far in the season.

[Indy]

Mike Dunleavy. He was shit last year, now he is really good.

You think a guy that goes from 13-14 and 6 to 15-16 and 6 is worth MIP?

Mike has always been a very solid starting player, and that's still what he is.

[scrub]

Danny Granger.

[-Young Buck-]

Mike Dunleavy. He was shit last year, now he is really good.

You think a guy that goes from 13-14 and 6 to 15-16 and 6 is worth MIP?

Mike has always been a very solid starting player, and that's still what he is.

I dont know what i was thinking.

[Its_asdf]

I also thought Mike Dunleavy's stats would be a lot crappier to be honest. The guy was very, very inconsistent for Golden State (and not to mention absolutely hated by Warriors fans themselves). I feel that Dunleavy's finally finding some consistency under the Pacer's new system. Statisically, he's hasn't shown a lot of improvement which I guess automatically knocks him out as a potential candidate to win the thing.

[Dro]

Ronnie Brewer would be my pick. He does a lot of everything, and he does it effeciently. VERY solid player, and I think any team would love to have him. Great defensively as well.

[Chino]

Rudy Gay and Kelenna Azubuike. There's many more for me but I think these guys is worth for MIP.

[Chino]

IMO Rudy Gay and Kelenna Azubuike. There's many more for me but I think these guys is worth for MIP.

Ok, you said on the other thread that my post where senseless. Now, you copied what I posted. You're reflecting yourself on what you're saying about me.

[mvpshaq32]

No one has mentioned Lamarcus Aldridge yet?
Either him, Bierdrins, Gay, or Azubuike, and Al Harrington should have a mention or two.

[Chino]

tsinoh,it's PRETTY obviouse that you want to boost your post count.If you don't want to boost your post count,you just have to ignore my posts,but you keep answering,baby......ohhh....the baby's without Andreas Dahl.No one will defend him.

I'm not here to argue w/ you. Can you just stop spamming and copying my post. I don't care if you're copying my post but you're spamming around and it's not good. So, stop spamming.

[TheMC5]

No one has mentioned Lamarcus Aldridge yet?
Either him, Bierdrins, Gay, or Azubuike, and Al Harrington should have a mention or two.

Al Harrington and Biedrins? They're both solid players, but neither has made a huge leap this year.

[benji]

Code: Select all

Harrington0607: 20.1pts 7.7rebs, 51.6% eFG, 54.0% TS, 11.2 turnover rate, 21.1 usage rate, 14.9 PER
HarringtonLife: 17.5pts 7.9rebs, 47.3% eFG, 51.1% TS, 12.5 turnover rate, 20.7 usage rate, 13.8 PER
Harrington0708: 22.9pts 8.0rebs, 60.3% eFG, 62.0% TS, 5.9 turnover rate, 19.5 usage rate, 20.7 PER

The only problem I have with some players, is I don't think a second year player should win it, after all, shouldn't they improve over their rookie year?

I like it for the players who have toiled for a few years without showing any "leap". At least Felton had two unremarkable years. Same with Bynum, although he made a huge leap from his first year to second.

[mvpshaq32]

Well Bierdrins has improved in nearly every stat, most notably his FT %.
They've both improved in terms of aggressiveness, skill, and abilities.
But it's way too early to see how everyone's stats and skill line up at the end of the season.

[TheMC5]

Biedrins went from 9 and 9 to 13 and 11, which is a good improvement, but not enough to warrant MIP consideration. His FT shooting is way up, but I highly doubt it stays at 70% all year. All his other stats have either gone up marginally or not at all.

Harrington has gone from approx. 17 and 7 the last few years to 19 and 7 this year. Again, nowhere near enough of an improvement for MIP consideration.

[benji]

Choosing MIP by per game stats is icky...it's how Randolph won.

[TheMC5]

Choosing MIP by per game stats is icky...it's how Randolph won.

It's how it's done, though. You don't actually expect the people who vote on this to look into more valid statistics, do you?

Also, I'm not one of those people who places no value on per game stats. It may have even been mentioned in these forums (I think it was), but apparently Saer Sene was averaging an insane 50 rebounds per 48 mins earlier this year. Both per minute and per game stats have their pros and cons.

[Ty-Land]

If anyone is a bit confused whats going on in this thread , Dwayne returned and copied tsinoh34 username, and started posting identical posts. They are now (mostly) deleted, so if we can continue on topic it would be greatly appreciated.

And if anyone suspects Dwayne is back, please PM the Moderators/Admins (whoever is online or your favourite ) and we will follow it up. Cheers.

[benji]

so if we can continue on topic it would be greatly appreciated.

No one was even phased by it, nor talking about it. You posting does more to "derail" the thread, especially with the posts no longer in existance.

It's how it's done, though. You don't actually expect the people who vote on this to look into more valid statistics, do you?

Also, I'm not one of those people who places no value on per game stats. It may have even been mentioned in these forums (I think it was), but apparently Saer Sene was averaging an insane 50 rebounds per 48 mins earlier this year. Both per minute and per game stats have their pros and cons.

Well, the media doesn't even know what the award means as shown by their tendency to vote for 20-30 different players. (And the members of the media openly talking about how they voted for players based on who was nicer in interviews, etc.) The MIP award should just be got rid of it.

Per game stats really have no pros. Minutes per game is the only useful per game stat as it completely describes the rest. Saer Sene averaging 50 rebounds per 48 minutes does nothing to descredit per minute stats as smert people know the meaning of "sample sizes".

[TheMC5]

Per game stats really have no pros. Minutes per game is the only useful per game stat as it completely describes the rest. Saer Sene averaging 50 rebounds per 48 minutes does nothing to descredit per minute stats as smert people know the meaning of "sample sizes".

So you don't think there's any sort of diminishing returns? I've seen a few studies on whether per minute stats translate accurately for guys who receive a large increase in MPG, but there was never any sort of consensus reached on the issue. Until such a consensus is reached, I'm inclined to believe that per minute production cannot always be carried over when a large increase in minutes occurs.

But I'm far from an authority on this issue. If you know of any studies that definitively confirm that per minute stats can indeed be carried over in cases of drastic MPG increases, please share them.