What speaks for Bargnani?

[Big_Mike]

First of all, i dont dissrespect european players, im from europe myself.

But why is this guy getting so much attention?
People thinks he can be around the top 5 pick, but why does this guy get that kind of attention?

A lot of european players that have been a early pick has turned out being bench warmers, notice that i wrote "a lot", not everybody.

Now i wanna know your thoughts about this guy, in my oppinion, he's just another wasted pick.
Why would you choose this guy over Rudy Gay or LaMarcus..etc


No hard feelings.

[Fenix]

Size, athleticism, heart, skills, potential and the fact that he actually plays and contributes to his current team. Players who did turn to be benchwarmers (I refuse to put Darko in this category, because he's my best friend from all the people I don't know ) didn't do shit in their European teams and were picked solely on potential only.

[Big_Mike]

But how many high international picks does contribute to their team?

Yao Ming......Nikoloz Tzchkithichvillih

[Fenix]

So you're saying he needs to be a low 2nd round pick like Ginobili to have a chance to succeed?

And like I said before, guys like NT were benchwarmers also in Europe. All they could do is run through a couple of drills and shoot uncontested jumpers in a empty gym.

[Big_Mike]

Being a low pick to succeed is not what i mean.

Then i have another question:
Why would you draft a guy from the other side of the earth, who doesn't contribute to his team or getting any minutes?

Are you able to show me Bargnani's stats?

[Matt]

i don't know what the fascination is with foreigners at the moment.....i mean they do have talent, but only ONE guy right now is a franchise player.....Dirk Nowitzki.

There's guys that could be but just aren't there yet or never will be (Yao, Gasol, Kirilenko hell maybe even Darko).

Taking them at #1 is a huge risk.

[Fenix]

Sure. Just click this

And to prove my point: in the last 10 years Dirk Nowitzki, Pau Gasol, Yao Ming, Desagana Diop, Nickoloz Tskitishvili, Darko Milicic and Andrew Bogut were the players, not born on either of the American continents taken in the top 10. That's 7 players. Three of them are All-Stars, Desagana is becoming a solid starting centre, Darko is proving his doubters wrong and is a legit next year's MIP candidate and Bogut was on the All-Rookie team. In fact, Nikoloz is the only legit bust of the bunch. That's a pretty decent percentage, much better than that of the American players. In fact, picking a Euro/African player seems to be as sure thing as it can be.

[J@3]

Are you able to show me Bargnani's stats?

In the Euroleague he's averaging 10.9ppg and 4.1rpg in 20mpg. So he contributes and gets minutes.

The thing with Europeans being drafted in 2006 compared to say 2000 even is that now they're actually getting court time before being drafted. Most of the big time busts from Europe have never played and were drafted on potential. Guys like Bargnani and Tiago Splitter have potential, but they're also showing ability and contributing in a big way for their teams. I think that makes a huge difference.

Not to mention the amount of foreigners who were drafted but stayed in Europe and would/could be successful in the NBA, guys like Scola and Andersen....

[Big_Mike]

Ok, so Bargnani seems like a potencial good player.

But im gonna laugh if Toronto chooses him as the first pick.
He averages like 11 points a game and 4 rebounds!

[Donatello]

Ok, so Bargnani seems like a potencial good player.

But im gonna laugh if Toronto chooses him as the first pick.
He averages like 11 points a game and 4 rebounds!

Because the jumpshooters over there NEVER MISS.

[Rip32]

Isn't it a risk to take anyone with the first pick? Foriegn or not? I mean look at 2000 the Bulls took Marcus Fizer #4. Is he good? Hell, he isnt even in the NBA anymore. Any pick is a risk. All i kno about Bargiani(sp?) is he played the Raps crazy when they played preseason.

[Unrestrict3D]

Isn't it a risk to take anyone with the first pick? Foriegn or not? I mean look at 2000 the Bulls took Marcus Fizer #4. Is he good? Hell, he isnt even in the NBA anymore. Any pick is a risk. All i kno about Bargiani(sp?) is he played the Raps crazy when they played preseason.

I believe Fizer signed with the Wizards late last year.

[R.J.]

Ok, so Bargnani seems like a potencial good player.

But im gonna laugh if Toronto chooses him as the first pick.
He averages like 11 points a game and 4 rebounds!

11 ppg in 20 minutes isn't that bad bro.

[Big_Mike]

Ok, so Bargnani seems like a potencial good player.

But im gonna laugh if Toronto chooses him as the first pick.
He averages like 11 points a game and 4 rebounds!

Because the jumpshooters over there NEVER MISS.

Yeah right.
4 rebounds in 20 minutes per game for a 6-11 forward is a shame.

This guy may have potencial but i can asure you that he's no Dirk.

[Unrestrict3D]

I really think Bargnani is going to start off slow his first two years and then he'll develop into a really good player. If he'd just put on a few pounds and hit the gym he'd be an even bigger threat. As far as talent level goes, I don't think he'll be as good as Dirk but he'll be right up there next to him.

[shadowgrin]

Scouts/teams always drool about a player's potential. "Potential" is like a potent drug for them.

[air_edwards23]

First of all, i dont dissrespect european players, im from europe myself.

But why is this guy getting so much attention?
People thinks he can be around the top 5 pick, but why does this guy get that kind of attention?

A lot of european players that have been a early pick has turned out being bench warmers, notice that i wrote "a lot", not everybody.

Now i wanna know your thoughts about this guy, in my oppinion, he's just another wasted pick.
Why would you choose this guy over Rudy Gay or LaMarcus..etc


No hard feelings.

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS POINT this is what i've been trying to say at the raptorschat forum but everyone seems to be on this guy's nuts
I mean look a Darko ... i feel hes gunna be him in this years draft





Rudy Gay is going to the raptors

[Jing]

But how many high international picks does contribute to their team?

Yao Ming......Nikoloz Tzchkithichvillih

way to compare 2 totally different things.

[Big_Mike]

First of all, i dont dissrespect european players, im from europe myself.

But why is this guy getting so much attention?
People thinks he can be around the top 5 pick, but why does this guy get that kind of attention?

A lot of european players that have been a early pick has turned out being bench warmers, notice that i wrote "a lot", not everybody.

Now i wanna know your thoughts about this guy, in my oppinion, he's just another wasted pick.
Why would you choose this guy over Rudy Gay or LaMarcus..etc


No hard feelings.

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS POINT this is what i've been trying to say at the raptorschat forum but everyone seems to be on this guy's nuts
I mean look a Darko ... i feel hes gunna be him in this years draft





Rudy Gay is going to the raptors

For me it seems safer to draft someone out of college because you know those kind of players, they're playing the american style of basketball and we all know that there's a different style between basketball in the U.S. and basketball in Europe.


@ Jing: And to take my posts absolutley seriously is also a rather cute thing to do. Those were the only two players i could think off, Yao was a high pick, look where he is now, Nikoloz was also a high pick but look at his career.

[maes]

I think it's just about size. If he was a 6' 11" Center he may not be getting attention but apparently he'd be more like a 6' 11" SF, or a ranged shooting PF like Tim Thomas or (if you're optimistic) Dirk Nowitzki.

I agree that this is all just speculation and hope, but most teams tend to use their draft picks as lottery tickets. If you want just a decent roleplayer, it's much easier to get them via free agency & trade. What's not (usually) available via free agency & trade are superstars. And what does every scout in the business say: "you can't teach tall"

Example: was it only 2 weeks ago everybody & their mom had Alridge going #1? NBAdraft.net has dropped him all the way #5, and Bargnani is actually ahead of him now.

[Joe']

If you think that he's not Dirk Nowitzki I'd like to tell you that:

1- Today, in International (Not NBA) competitions, with the German team, Dirk averages only 18 points and 7 boards in 32 minutes.

2- Dirk never lead his team to Euroleague.

3-Considering that Bundesliga's level back in 1997 was A LOT lower than today's Serie A I think that Bargnani's 12 ppg are equal to Nowitzki's 17 ppg with Wurzburg back in 1997

I'm not saying he's Dirk Nowitzki, of course he has still a lot to learn and improve, but I saw him play and I absolutely think he's gonna be a great player...maybe not like Dirk but still a great player.