old vs. new

[Amphatoast]

me and a friend was talking about kobe and jordan, and then we ended up getting into a old school vs new school matchup. We picked a year and made a starting 5 based on those players skills level that year.
1995
C- Hakeem
PF- David Robinson (in '95 all star game he played PF and Mutombo played C)
SF- Pippen
SG- Jordan
PG- Payton

2004
C- Shaq
PF- Duncan
SF- Garnett
SG- Kobe
PG- Kidd

who would win in that match up?
I said Hakeem> Shaq
Robinson= Duncan?
Pippen=KG ?
Jordan>Kobe
Payton=Kidd

i wasn't too sure about robinson and TD and KG and pippen...TD and Robinson are too similar and KG is way bigger than pippen which could be a advantage for KG

then we went into the whole Jordan vs. Kobe deal
he said that Kobe made Jordan foul out in 1998 whwn Eddie Jones was injuried and Kobe started and dropped 38...is that true?

then the glove vs. the kidd....both excellent defenders, one passes more, one shoots more, but payton can post up and kidd can't, so does that mean payton wins?

ps, feel free to make a line up too for old school (90s) vs.new (00s) if u can think of a better one

[VMS]

Hakeem has already beaten Shaq, in 94 in the finals...

Hakeem - Shaq
Robinson - Duncan
Pippen - KG
Jordan - Kobe
Payton - Kidd

Since we're talking about them in their primes...

Shaq - Hakeem
Hakeem Olajuwan plays the lane like Shaq, grabs boards like Shaq, but has an infoulable touch from everywhere. This man would even hit the occasional 3, something that Shaq can't say.
Advantage = Hakeem

Robinson - Duncan
Fundamentally, Duncan is better, but if I were to pick, it would be the Admiral. He is a great leader, has more blocks the a brick house, and is a great scorer. It's close, but D-Rob wins it.
Advantage = David Robinson

Garnett - Pippen
This one's tough. Apples and Oranges, but I think I can handle it. Kevin Garnett is undoubtebly the best player in the NBA right now. He has a good mid-range jumper, and is working on a 3 pt shot. He has hustle, heart, and a gift. He can play all positions if he wanted to, but in this case, I'm gonna take Pip. You can't beat Scottie Pippen in shooting. His offense is that great. He had a better shot then MJ, but he was always in his shadow nonetheless. I think Garnett belongs at Center. He would be much more of a threat that way, even thought his usual position is PF.
Advantage = Scottie Pippen

Jordan - Bryant
Here is the question of the century, who's better? For me, Bryant is a better guard, but Jordan is a better athlete. Bryant has a better 3pt shot then MJ did, but that's about it. In clutch, these two individuals are tied, but no one ran the floor like MJ. Oh yeah, and I heard that MJ could dunk?
Advantage = Jordan

Kidd - Payton
This one is easy. Payton and Kidd are tied for their Point Guard abilities, i.e. directing traffic or setting up plays, but Kidd can also play SG. He penetrates like me and Cameron Diaz, baby! (I wish...) He has a great jumper from every spot on the court. There is only one person who is better with directing traffic, passing, and setting up plays, and that is Jason Williams. But in all other aspects, Kidd by far is a genius in the back court.
Advantage = Kidd

All in all, the early 90's athletes would dominate those of today. It wouldn't even be a contest, and if you replace GP with Penny, it would be over.

[Amphatoast]

thank you! i totally forgot about penny in the mid 90s!

[bchogan]

Hakeem has already beaten Shaq, in 94 in the finals...
Garnett - Pippen
This one's tough. Apples and Oranges, but I think I can handle it. Kevin Garnett is undoubtebly the best player in the NBA right now. He has a good mid-range jumper, and is working on a 3 pt shot. He has hustle, heart, and a gift. He can play all positions if he wanted to, but in this case, I'm gonna take Pip. You can't beat Scottie Pippen in shooting. His offense is that great. He had a better shot then MJ, but he was always in his shadow nonetheless. I think Garnett belongs at Center. He would be much more of a threat that way, even thought his usual position is PF.
Advantage = Scottie Pippen

I'm assuming this post has to do with a head-to-head match up of the players in question, not just an evaluation of their skills, so, with that in mind, I doubt Pippin's shooting skill would matter as much if he's trying to shoot over Garnett. But you didn't mention Pippin's defensive skills, though I still think Garnette would have the shooting advantage based on how he's played against shorter defenders.
As for Garnett at center, Garnett's not a low-post banger, so he wouldn't do as well. He gets his points off of fade-away jumpers, pick & roll shots, and slashing to the basket. He doesn't muscle his way in like a lot of centers do, due in part to his lack of mass.

[#12]

Hakeem=Shaq
Shaq most dominate player and Hakeem won a championship
Robinson>Duncan
I never seen Robinson play in his prime but Robinson was MVP
Pippen<KG
KG MVP
Jordan>Kobe
Its Jordan
Payton>Kidd
Payton was in All 1st Defensive team and will stop Kidds fastbreaks

[Ruff Ryder]

It would probably end up a tie.

Too close for me to call. I say that KG has the advantage over pip, just because he is so versitile. At 7" against 6"8', KG has the advantage. He can just hit a turn around over pip. KG would just back down Pip and it would be pretty much over. But all of these match ups are close. Kobe is pretty much ambidextrous(spl?) and Mike is Mike.

[FanOfAll]

I think Hakeem would be equal to Shaq. Yes, Hakeem did beat Shaq in the finals, but that was a young, a less knowledgable Shaq at the time. Nowadays, he has better footwork, post moves, court awareness/instincts. I think both would struggle defensively vs the other.

Robinson and Duncan I would say are equal as well. They know each other inside out and both are tremendous post players with a nice outside jumper.

Pippen vs Garnett...hmm...I think I'll have to give this one to Garnett. Pippen is/was the savvier player, the better 3 point shot, but both are great all-around players. Garnett has the advantage on the boards and in the post. The reason I give this one to Garnett is that he has the quickness to guard Pippen on the perimeter, but I don't think Pippen has the strength to guard Garnett in the post. Plus, Garnett fading away, with the super long arms? It's close though.

Easily Jordan over Kobe. Jordan is the better defensive player, better team player, I would say their 3 point shot is about the same.

I think the point guard duel is another push. Payton was the man on defense at the time, a great creator, and also a good shot. Kidd doesn't have the same shot, not the same ability to create shots for himself to start with, not the same defender either, but he has the intagibles - court vision, instinct to make this one a draw IMO.

Now, if you take the All-Stars of the days of Bird, Magic, etc......they would beat both teams IMO...and probably any All-Star team the NBA could ever field except the Wilt/Russell ones.

[fgrep15]

Hakeem never struggled defensively , yes Shaq was big but Hakeem was not just a blocker, he was a smart defender, and how many other centers are within the amount of steals he averaged in his career.

Hakeem has KG's quickness and could cross the ball likea guard, he also had decent rnage on his J, just take Shaq outside the post of fake him out like crazy and get him in foul trouble, I think he'd just be too much for Shaq.

[FanOfAll]

Hakeem never struggled defensively , yes Shaq was big but Hakeem was not just a blocker, he was a smart defender, and how many other centers are within the amount of steals he averaged in his career.

Hakeem has KG's quickness and could cross the ball likea guard, he also had decent rnage on his J, just take Shaq outside the post of fake him out like crazy and get him in foul trouble, I think he'd just be too much for Shaq.

I never said he struggled defensively. I think against a smarter, better Shaq, he would struggle. Mostly because of how large and athletic Shaq is...I don't see many in their prime being able to guard Shaq, bar Russell. Hakeem is quick, is smart, but Shaq is just massive...and he's not slow or stupid either. Just MHO .

[Mick]

I think that Hakeem would have a slight edge over Shaq. Hakeem was a brilliant defender and a very solid offensive player. Whilst I think it would be a much closer agasint Shaq in his prime, this year it seems as though he's lost a little bit of quickenss and the injuries he's had have taken their toll. Not to say that he's a pushover. He's still a force, just not quite as much as he was.

Robinson Vs Duncan - This one would have to go to Robinson. While both are the same size, Robinson was more athletic and just more dominant. His versatility and athleticism would have been a little to much for Duncan to handle, I think.

KG vs Pip - Really tough. I'd give the edge to KG mainly because with MJ and the Bulls, Pippen was given that little bit of flexibility because defences had to watch for MJ and then on defence Pippen was able to gamble a little as he had MJ and Grant also around to step accross to help. KG this year has been fantastic. He's stepped up his game again despite of the additions that Minnesota got (Spree and Cassell) and it just amazing when it comes to all around play. His size and agility give him a huge advantage on both offence and defence.

Jordan Vs Kobe: No contest, really.

Payton Vs Kidd: Another close one, however I'd give the nod to Kidd. More for his all around play than any particular facet of his offence or defence. He's always a threat for a tripple double and is able to perform where the team is lacking.

Intangibles (Chemistry, styles etc): I'd have to give the edge to the 95 team. Despite having MJ on the team, I think they would have been more team focused instead of having a more individual approach to each position. Not to say that the 04 team would have played selfishly, I just think that the old team would have been more cohesive.

Only my opinions.....