2k15 vs 2k14 modded

[centrifugal]

I know there was another similar topic, I tried to find it but after page 6 I gave up. So I'm making a new one. First things first:

1. I know that some people will consider it unfair to compare vanilla vs modded. That's not the point though, nor am I doing some official comparison. I'm not trying to compare two products made by 2k, I'm trying to compare a product made by a professional company with a product that was made by the same company but modified by amateurs who do this on their free time. Not even to mention the different engines the two games are based on, or that 2k15 is 4 times the size of 2k14.

2. I know that a lot of 2k15's strengths when it comes to graphics, are highlighted when the game is in motion. Because truth be told the animation in 2k15 is much better than 2k14 - for instance my modded 2k14 uses bliss tight jersey from 2k13 which doesn't animate at all. Obviously when we will be able to mod 2k15 things will be different.

3. I am also aware that some cyberfaces are better than others in 2k15, and Westbrook is not really the best example for 2k15, so I'm asking you to compare the screenshots but maybe ignore the cyberface at the moment.

Bearing in mind all of the above, I'm making a poll to ask you people which screenshot you think is the most realistic one.

1. 2k15


or

2. 2k14 modded

[TBM]

Is this really up for debate? 2K15 is better by a million miles.

[BasedGod]

2k15 is not even close. 90% of the players in 2k15 are accurate as hell anyways so what does modded 2k14 have over 2k15?

[TBM]

2k15 is not even close. 90% of the players in 2k15 are accurate as hell anyways so what does modded 2k14 have over 2k15?

Only thing really is better courts.

[centrifugal]

2k15 is not even close. 90% of the players in 2k15 are accurate as hell anyways so what does modded 2k14 have over 2k15?

Only thing really is better courts.

No. That's not the only thing that's better.

- Jersey designs and colors by Tha King are way better than 2k15, whose colors are faded and washed out.

- Cyberfaces. Not all of them, but a large number of them are better in 2k14 modded. The 90% accurate as hell comment, well what can I say, I'm sorry I don't have enough time on my hands to take screenshots of all players whose face is not just inaccurate but downright laughable in 2k15. Thiago Splitter says hello.

- Nets...again at the moment I don't have enough time to bother taking screenshots. When I'll have more time I might post some here.

- Scoreboards
- Music
- Shoes & accesories (this is not really high in my priority list, but it is for others).

[bigh0rt]

The problem is that the game is not played in screenshots. A simple 30 second video of each game reveals everything you need to know, and objectively shows that 2K15 is a visually superior game is just about every possible way. I'm as big a fan of the mods available for 2K14 as anybody, but it's a tremendous reach to even begin to make the argument that it can hold a candle, graphically, to 2K15, when you consider the models and movements and animations, which is the crux of the game. Screenshots mean absolutely nothing when you have video you can compare. Game play video. Show 30 seconds of game play where 2K14 looks better than 2K15. You can't, because it doesn't, as badly as you seem to wish it did. 2K14 looks like a cartoon compared to 2K15 in the same way that the jump in the previous generations did to their predecessors. It's just a hard fact. If you feel you're getting a more realistic, visually appealing game in 2K14 than 2K15 then God bless you, but you have to accept that you're going to be in a boat with the vast minority of people, with a mountain of contrary information dispelling your stance.

[Call_M3_Mr-T]

bigh0rt, Man I get the point you are making but do you really have to be so arrogant??

Anyways I have to agree with the majority when it comes to this poll.. I especially love the way the glass on the backboard looks in 2K15

[bigh0rt]

Call_M3_Mr-T, I need clarification on the arrogance. I'm actually probably closer to agreeing rhan most so I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'll just never understand the attempt to use screenshots to compare the visual experience of games. It'd be like me posting pictures of two meals made with two different recipes and asking you to tell me which tasted better. The screens wouldn't help an argument in either direction, just as they don't here.

[XxStunner]

2k15 is way better.

[Call_M3_Mr-T]

You can't, because it doesn't, as badly as you seem to wish it did.

If you feel you're getting a more realistic, visually appealing game in 2K14 than 2K15 then God bless you, but you have to accept that you're going to be in a boat with the vast minority of people, with a mountain of contrary information dispelling your stance.

I agreed with most of your statements but I felt like these were more personal and meant to discourage(for lack of a better word) the OP from asking a simple question..

[bigh0rt]

You can't, because it doesn't, as badly as you seem to wish it did.

If you feel you're getting a more realistic, visually appealing game in 2K14 than 2K15 then God bless you, but you have to accept that you're going to be in a boat with the vast minority of people, with a mountain of contrary information dispelling your stance.

I agreed with most of your statements but I felt like these were more personal and meant to discourage(for lack of a better word) the OP from asking a simple question..

The original post was made with intent to persuade readers that 2K14 looks as good or better than 2K15. Those quotes are my reaction; not just to it, but to the several other attempts at this through other threads and comments. The intent of the post was obviously a huge backfire, since 2K15 is favored in a landslide. I'm just trying to drive that point home. Could've been friendlier, I suppose, but my patience is certainly wearing thin currently after reading the posts of the last few days.

[TBM]

The problem is that the game is not played in screenshots. A simple 30 second video of each game reveals everything you need to know, and objectively shows that 2K15 is a visually superior game is just about every possible way. I'm as big a fan of the mods available for 2K14 as anybody, but it's a tremendous reach to even begin to make the argument that it can hold a candle, graphically, to 2K15, when you consider the models and movements and animations, which is the crux of the game. Screenshots mean absolutely nothing when you have video you can compare. Game play video. Show 30 seconds of game play where 2K14 looks better than 2K15. You can't, because it doesn't, as badly as you seem to wish it did. 2K14 looks like a cartoon compared to 2K15 in the same way that the jump in the previous generations did to their predecessors. It's just a hard fact. If you feel you're getting a more realistic, visually appealing game in 2K14 than 2K15 then God bless you, but you have to accept that you're going to be in a boat with the vast minority of people, with a mountain of contrary information dispelling your stance.

TL;DR OP clearly likes 2K14 better for whatever reason and is trying to convince himself that 2K14 looks better to make himself feel good about the decision he made.

Agreed.

[centrifugal]

It's this kind of condensending attitude that makes this my last post here. The sad thing is that it's not only towards me, but towards anyone who will dare to be critical of 2k sports and its product. I realize that people here are queing to be the next 2k employee but this is getting a bit too much.

And just to clarify something, yes I do believe that in the current unmodded state, 2k15 looks worse than modded 2k14. It does animate better, but if anyone read my first post, which I doubt most people did, was not the point of my question. Bighort has been proven to not really read posts before replying in another thread we were talking about how shiny the courts should be.

Anyway, I'm sorry for asking a question, which should never have been asked. I am going to board my boat with the minority. Unfortunately, this place is getting somewhat irrelevant, since there is room only for partisan supporters of 2k.

P.S. This is not to say I don't recognize the result of the poll... people seem to like 2k15 better, which is fine. However I doubt that all of the 15 that voted for 2k really answered the question asked (which screenshot looks more realistic) and answered the question they wanted (which game looks better). But that's speculative, so I accept the result. On the other hand I don't accept the condensending attitude. You want this forum to be one-dimensional, so be it.

P.S. 2: Never thought Cartman would become a basketball forum moderator:

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[Call_M3_Mr-T]

Yea it sucks that you apparently aren't allowed to have your own opinions.. And we cant have a discussion without people trying to throw subliminal insults at you just because you don't share the same opinions as them.. I did understand your question And I respect your opinion..

[bigh0rt]

Yea it sucks that you apparently aren't allowed to have your own opinions.. And we cant have a discussion without people trying to throw subliminal insults at you just because you don't share the same opinions as them.. I did understand your question And I respect your opinion..

There were no 'subliminal insults' thrown at anybody. You're saying we should be able to have our own opinions, yet I state mine, support them, and am a bad guy. I make a specific point in my post to say, hey, view this however you want, and God bless, but then point out a fact made obvious by the poll results, and again, I'm condescending, arrogant, and so on and so forth. I've not even insulted anybody, at any point, so it's not like I can sit here and say to get thicker skin. I made a contrary post with a differing opinion, which happens to be exactly what you're saying you wish we could have... I fail to see the problem?? Everyone should be allowed to have an opinion... but me... or anyone who happens to disagree with the perpetual whining that has plagued the forums for the past six weeks?

Anyway, I'm sorry for asking a question, which should never have been asked.

Here's the issue; well, my issue at least. You didn't "ask a question" to obtain information. That's the purpose of asking questions. What you did was take a screen straight from your thread in the 2K14 forum entitled "Supersample NBA2k14 - or why I don't need 2k15 yet (new better quality images)", and sought to 'show' us how 2K14 is visually better than 2K15. You can say you were posting an innocuous inquiry, but we both know that wouldn't be anywhere remotely near the truth, right? There was no objectivity. I pointed out how silly it is to use screen shots for this, despite your original post, which I read in full. I still disagree, whole-heartedly, and so do apparently 80+% of the other people who voted in your poll, despite your claim that they're answering their own question, and not yours. Again, if you feel 2K14 is visually a better game, then Amen, I hope you enjoy it to the fullest. Hell, I still play 2K14 myself. But again, seeing which screen looks better when comparing video games is silly. That's all I said. I stand by it. It is. Period. I'm sorry that you didn't get the answer that you wanted, and I'm sorry if that upsets you. I'm sorry that as a result you decided to take a pot shot at the NLSC, and call it 'irrelevant', which is among the more laughable things you've stated, in what is a growing list. And I'm sorry that you'll no longer be posting here. You'll certainly be missed.

[Andrew]

Yea it sucks that you apparently aren't allowed to have your own opinions.. And we cant have a discussion without people trying to throw subliminal insults at you just because you don't share the same opinions as them.. I did understand your question And I respect your opinion..

Just to add to what bigh0rt said, you're absolutely allowed to have your own opinions. We don't go around banning people just because they don't agree with us, or the majority of posters here. However, when there are differing points of view, some people are going to state their point of view vehemently; NLSC staff included. That doesn't mean you're being told what to think, just what that particular person thinks. As long as everyone is being civil, we're all free to argue a point strongly and passionately.

The one caveat to that is, if a rule is being broken or the way the person is expressing their opinion is being disruptive, we'll take action or ask them to tone it down a bit. You can certainly find posts here that are critical of the game, and those people are not getting banned, nor are their threads being locked. Of course, if those posts are breaking the rules - outright flaming people who disagree with them, talking about a pirated game, in a language other than English, etc - we'll take the appropriate action, from a friendly reminder all the way up to a ban. Similarly, if someone is complaining about the same thing over and over in every single thread, even ones where it's completely off-topic and ends up derailing the conversation, we'll ask them to ease up on it because that kind of behaviour is rude.

Other than that, differing opinions are most welcome. We do ask that certain threads remain constructive - "ugh, this game sucks" posts don't help the cause of Wishlist or Bug Report threads, for example - and we're not going to tolerate nasty criticisms of the site/staff or abuse of other posters for very long (which some posters will try to defend as simply expressing an opinion), but generally speaking, we're not going to disallow negative/critical posts. The thing is, moderators/admins are going to get involved in the discussion, and sometimes, we'll have a contradictory point of view. I know things get a little muddy when you have that title/badge, to the point where a post that is simply strongly disagreeing may come across like it's telling you how to post or what you should think, but unless we're actually saying "don't post that" or issuing some other kind of direct warning, all we're saying is "I disagree, and here's why"...which everyone is entitled to do.

[Call_M3_Mr-T]

I guess I just read it in a negative tone. Anyways sorry BigHort

[wicked waway]

only way 2k14 competes with 2k15 is gameplay particularly association mode where 2k15 removed some of the good things about 2k11 and 2k14 (ie 3 way trades, saving options)
options wise, for an association player, 2k14 allows more flexibility

graphics wise, 2k15 TROUNCES 2k14 or any previous 2k versions modded or otherwise.

[fjccommish]

Looks are one thing. I won't enter that debate. I don't care, because both games look good. 2K15, although it doesn't play or feel like real NBA basketball, is much better play-wise than 2K14.

The problem is 2K15 still moves too slowly. Teams go into plays too often and/or execute those plays too methodically. The game doesn't capture the flow and speed of the NBA.

[werewolf914]

2k15 is good, except for the fact my machine is not good enough to play it smoothy (And yes even on all low setting) so after try out everything I'm interested in (My Career storyline (again just some to know the good thing) and My GM) just quit and come back to 2k14. So all low 2k15 with stutter, low frame against 2k14 modded and run smoothy? 2k14 win big time. Well at least that's my case and opinion.

[TBM]

I don't think that was the question. He wasn't asking 2K15 minimum vs 2K14 maxed out with mods.

[EMan]

Honestly, if graphics are all people care about, then yeah, 2K15 is better.

I'm one of those rarities, I prefer solid gameplay and 2K11 trumps both 2K14 and 2K15 (as well as 2K12 and 2K13) in that department. Of the two most recent games, 2K15 is probably a little better than 2K14 gameplay-wise. By only a little.

I've got a lot of hours into games like Football Manager and the Out of the Park sports series because they play realistically, something I think the two major sports gaming companies have lost sight of in recent years in their bids to outdo each other. This game plays like NBA Jam to me and I've tried to find the perfect tweakage of sliders to no decent result yet.

About the only non-graphical improvement this year over previous 2K games is in the roster updating. 2KStauff/Bedwardsroy19 is doing a fantastic job. Too bad the roster save system this year is so ridiculously bad. A lot of the changes this year seem to be designed to be very anti-modder.

A few more tweaks like the hair issues, non existant headbands/invisible headband hair, and the sound/fps stuttering need to be fixed. Too bad the next patch seems far off.

Anyway, all of the above in this post are my opinions, nobody needs to get their undies in a knot.

[TBM]

A lot of the changes this year seem to be designed to be very anti-modder.

It may seem that way to you, but it's simply not the case. The reason save files are the way they are is because this game is an exact port of next-gen, so these features PC gamers enjoy are missing, but it's not because they deliberately removed them, but rather because they didn't deliberately re-add them. They certainly aren't actively trying to make modding harder, but they also aren't trying to make it easier, because it's simply not on their radar, and also, they can't legally release a mod tool or anything like that. The NBA wouldn't allow it.

[ThePointForward]

they can't legally release a mod tool or anything like that. The NBA wouldn't allow it.

Well NBA allowed initiating a fight and ejection to be there, so who knows what will happen next

[JBulls]

Also they previously made it so the crowds had to always be at full capacity, so relatively speaking there's been a ton of progress. Not saying there's ever gonna be any sort of official mod tool but it's good to note the NBA seems to much less strict as of late.