werewolf914 wrote:Hell no for Maverick. PG they get Collison who is much younger and better than Ridnour. So basicly they trade a starter (Marion, 79), 6th man (carter, 79), good big man (brand, 77) for a 6th man (terry, 77), back up guard (Ridnour, 72), young not that good yet player (William, 69) and 2 2nd round pick when their franchise player (Dirk) is getting older and weaker? No. Just No. That's robbing man. Unless your force the trade, no way they could agree such a trade.
Collison got benched for a pair of 37 year old in Mike James and Derick Fisher so upgrading him was one of their goals. So they trade a 34 year old starter Marion, a 35 year old 6th man in Carter(who they play 15 mpg and is starting to complaint), and a 33 year old role player in Brand (8 mpg - complaining) for 35 year old 6th man Terry, a 21 year old potential star in Derrick Williams (he has potential = A, and turns into 20ppg/10rpg player in 2 years), and 31 year old 6th man/Starter in Ridnour (their PG depth is Collison/Beaubois) so they get a young star on rookie contract, a pair of mid (40-50 overall) 2nd round draft picks, and still have enough cap space (22mil) in the offseason to go after CP3 and fill out the bench. The core of Paul/Williams/'13 Pick(5-15 they are not gonna make the playoffs) can be built around with Nowitzki's contract up in 2 years. A good haul for Mavs.
werewolf914 wrote:For the Wolves. Lee and Ridnour as back up is not that big impact, their rating is the same, Ridnour cheaper, Lee younger so it's fair. 2 2nd round and william for Bass and a 1st round is quite good, but not THAT good as it's Boston picks. So yeah, they could live with it. The problem is "Do they want to do it?" The best thing they get is a 1st round but it's not likely a lottery, 2 players they get are just back up (don't worry about Love extend, it's year form now) and losing their cap space while CP3, DH12,... is right out there after this season. I don't think they like messing their team chemistry for such low price like that.
They have like 4 PG (Rubio(35mpg),Barea(8mpg),Ridnour(16mpg),Shved(out of rotation right now)) so they are logging minutes at SG so they can swap one of them for an actual 2Guard(Roy(Injured), Malcom Lee(65 overall)) so not really that bad.
Williams is stuck behind Love in Rotation (10mpg) and Love is not going anywhere(Nowitzki is going to be a sixth man in an year). so they get a backup big man in Bass and mid First round pick(15-22).
They already are 2mil over cap space with 6mil coming off the books so it's not like they were going for D12 or CP3 anyway(Hell they NEVER even resign Pekovic). Not really Ideal scenario but not worst case either.
werewolf914 wrote:Your team is clear winner in this trade, they get 3 good veteran players for the champ run by sending away 3 worse backup players and a 1st round pick which is not that valuable.
So this deal is not fair.
Of course my team is the clear winner, I suggested the trade in the first place
. The point is that other teams are also able to fill their holes(star for Mavs, SG for T'wolves), while not robbing their team.
werewolf914 wrote:For suggesting: You got a good player in T-mac but I think he's better as SF, he's dead slow, can't guard a SG. Go for Parsons (SF/PF, young, dirt-cheap, slow but good in both atk and def); Gerald Green (SF/SG, Good in atk, fast, can rebound with his jump, cheap); Any guard from Houston (They are all quite cheap, can really get on the floor, their team have a huge cap space and it can go with Parson deal); Okur (FA, for outside shot); Flynn (FA, cheap, young, good back up gurad, very loyal); K-Mart (FA, so so big man); Oden (FA, try if you dare, don't give him too much minute or he could injury, great def, average atk as big man, worst injury resistance 25); Baron Davis, Agent0 (FA, they oth sign less for champ run); Thabeet (if you want getting asset later, I remember he has B+ potential); Novak (cheap, shooter); Austin Rivers (young, cheap, change him to SG as main, good atk, can run the floor)
T-Mac is playing SF right now but getting Marion would complicate the rotation with him at SF(if i end up trading him it's diffrent then);
C.Parsons - I think Houston would require more for their starting SF (who is actually dirt cheap, Good and Young) than I am willing to offer(Lee, Terry, Bass, Milicic, Wilcox, Collins, 1st Round Picks. Not all of them though)
Pacers offer G.Green and I.Mahimi for J.Terry and C.Lee but THAT would be robbing(too many guards, no backup for R.hibbert);
Out of J.Lin,T.Douglas,J.Harden,D.Cook only realistic option is T.Douglas but they ask too much for him(L.Barbosa+1'st Round pick for T.Douglas; B.Bass+L.Barbosa for T.Douglas+D.Motiejunas);
M.Okur signed with Magic for 1yr/1.32mil;
J.Flynn - Good onespecially if we end up trading C.Lee and J.Terry and move L.Barbosa to SG;
K.Martin - Another good player (KILLING the actual Celtics in first round) but again may require 10-15 mpg which are hard to come by unless I move players or waive D.Milicic or C.Wilcox(surely considering).
G.Oden signed with Kings for 1yr/5.09 mil;
H.Thabeet is 54 Overall and had a C+Potential (Seriously, even Milicic has a B+ and 65 Overall)
S.Novak - Good player/Shooter but dosen't really solve the rebounding woes;
B.Davis/G.Arenas - Can pick them up as a last resort(I just dont see anyone worse than them currently on my roster to be a waive candidate);
A.Rivers - Good, Young, Cheap, Out of Hornets Rotation, Can flourish under his Dad. Definitely considering but they are asking too much for him(K.G+Milicic for Rivers+Lopez. Seriously?)
maybe give it another go after some time and hope they change their mind(You actually have me thinking this scenario sir). Thanks for the input man.