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[Nick] Fictional Draft Class 2.1 (with faces!)

Postby Nick on Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:23 pm

Nictional Draft Class 2.1 (WITH FACES) now available. Download links below.

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Are you someone who likes to go deep into Association mode with NBA 2k12 and sim multiple seasons?

Are you sick of having the integrity of the later seasons of the league ruined by the players that are generated?

Sick of having to constantly spend time editing, editing, editing, editing generated prospects?

Have you had enough of:
- Over saturation of good players (i.e. 75+) in the league, starving the solid role players of the league of opportunity/playing time, which in turn overloads team salary caps all around the league because everybody costs so much, which also in turn leaves too many good players in free agency without a team that can afford him. This also results in too many teams going over hard cap which limits CPU trading.
- Player tendancies not utilizing/matching up with their attributes or play style
- Centers developing into 75+ Ovr players but only scoring 2-8ppg due to wonky tendancies.
- Player attributes not matching up with their position (e.g. PG's with 65 for block, 270 lb players with 50 for strength, etc)
- Too many top prospects coming from obscure/small colleges.
- Too many "all-round/jack of all trade" rated players (whether they're rated 70 ovr or 50 ovr) who end up sucking because they're not good at anything in particular.
- Commonly seeing centers who are freakishly tall far too often (i.e.7'1 - 5")
- Players having strange signature animations that don't suit their size/position/attributes.
?


Then Nictional Draft Classes are for you. (Y)



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(Y) NICTIONAL DRAFT CLASS v2.1 w/ realistic faces
Carefully crafted fictional prospects for association mode, so that you don’t have to rely on the generated draft classes. I have meticulously created/edited nearly every single player in this draft class. The idea is to make unique & specifically molded players (both in terms of the stars of tomorrow and the role players of tomorrow), while being mindful of overall draft class and how it'll affect the overall BALANCE of the league in future years. Hopefully it makes association modes more REALISTIC and interesting.

Included in this pack:
- Comprehensive internal player edits, such as: attributes, tendencies, animations, hotzones, hotspots, vitals, accessories, playtypes, potentials, bodytypes, etc
- The top 16 prospects get a realistic looking fictional cyberface.
- A scouting report of the top prospects included in zip file.
- All names should have the commentator say their name.
- Player age stays relevant to the year/season the draft class is loaded. I.e. will work for ANY year/season.

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Coming soon: I think i'm done for 2k12. Need to focus on other things.
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NICK'S DOWNLOADS:

(Y) Fictional Draft Class 2.1 - with faces :new:
(Y) Comprehensive 2012 Draft Class v3 -- with faces
(Y) Fictional Draft Class 1.1 - with faces
(Y) Dion Waiters face
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby z_dize on Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:55 pm

lol, as someone with three draft classes custom made.. i find this exciting.. you're right on the excitement of creating a player with a particular player in mind. often, i make mine from the molds of old/legendary players.

i also have a mario salvaderi in mine but he's a PF, lol. great stuff man.
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby juanpablo2k12 on Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:25 pm

:applaud: :cool: looking forward for the release!
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby debiler on Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:17 pm

Hey, good to see that somebody did this for 2K12. (Y) I actually did one class for 2K11 some time ago, but never released it, because it took me too long to edit all those 2nd rounders.
Here's the link to my thread: viewtopic.php?f=136&t=81185
Feel free to use my players if you like. :D

EDIT: Dude, you gotta include some screenshots.
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby Nick on Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:30 pm

It's now released chaps.
lol, as someone with three draft classes custom made.. i find this exciting.. you're right on the excitement of creating a player with a particular player in mind. often, i make mine from the molds of old/legendary players.

i also have a mario salvaderi in mine but he's a PF, lol. great stuff man.

Double trouble mario! What are the odds. :)
Glad to see someone as enthusiastic of this as i am, haha.

I often try to create players in the mold of what hasn't been seen before. :) A lot of the players in class 1 are reminiscent of past players mind you, but if i make more draft classes in future you can expect it to get more unique.

Sometimes i make players in the mold of specializing at something in particular (i.e. Billy Daily (steals) & Taribo Ikedia (blocks) in this class)
But usually i imagine a character/personality for the player i'm working on, then create their on-court activity to match the kind of person i imagine... if that makes sense..

:applaud: :cool: looking forward for the release!

Download is ready now. (Y)
Hey, good to see that somebody did this for 2K12. (Y) I actually did this for 2K11 some time ago, but never released it, because it took me too long to edit all those 2nd rounders.
Here's the link to my thread: viewtopic.php?f=136&t=81185
Feel free to use my players if you like. :D

EDIT: Dude, you gotta include some screenshots.

Yeh it takes ages doesn't it! Each of the lottery picks took me probably an hour each.

Screenshots of what exactly? The epic player report isn't enough?? lol. That thing took me ages..
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby Panco on Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:53 pm

Awesome! I'm sick of free agency filled with great players like Kevin Love and etc.
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby debiler on Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:01 pm

Sorry, my bad. I meant screenshots of the players, of course. Because if you kept the generic faces, you gotta edit those. CPU-generated faces suck big time. :mrgreen:
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby Nick on Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:20 pm

Well, i definitely put time into the faces of players... people will just have to trust me. ;)

(i can probably get some screens up for some of the top players when i have time next)
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby juanpablo2k12 on Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:42 pm

downloading! :bowdown2: (Y)
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby debiler on Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:51 pm

Nick wrote:Well, i definitely put time into the faces of players... people will just have to trust me. ;)

(i can probably get some screens up for some of the top players when i have time next)

Not distrusting you in any way, mate. :D But I just think it would encourage more people to download your draft class. It's all about advertising! :cool:

btw, your Summary file is pretty cool (Y)
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby JaoSming on Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:44 pm

dude, very nice (Y)
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby Andrew on Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:04 am

Good stuff!
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby Dual on Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:24 am

oh yeah! Great job... :applaud:
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby chaodck on Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:04 am

Great work!!! I have always envisioned making a project of 15-20 fictional draft classes but with real life semblance. I find that usually this classes lack true combo guards and swingmen, while favoring combo forwards which are least common nowadays.

I can help with a couple of classes if time allows in order to make this a project!
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby hrbulls on Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:39 am

nice work!
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby Nick on Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:54 pm

chaodck wrote:Great work!!! I have always envisioned making a project of 15-20 fictional draft classes but with real life semblance. I find that usually this classes lack true combo guards and swingmen, while favoring combo forwards which are least common nowadays.

I can help with a couple of classes if time allows in order to make this a project!
Congrats!

That sounds like a pretty cool idea. I actually imagined something similar too.

There could be 10 classes per package... (that covers a whole generation/decade)... And we could aim to complete 2 packages... The only thing is that it would take aaaages to make a package... just making 1 class involves a lot of late nights..


It WOULD be pretty cool though. I was just going to make fictional draft classes 1-by-1 until i run out of steam, and if i end up making over 5 then i'd just package them together... but covering a whole decade would be whey kewler... So if you or anyone else wants to make a fictional draft class or two, i would definitely consider including it if it's well made..
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby z_dize on Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:39 am

here are my draft classes..

http://forums.nba-live.com/downloads.php?view=detail&df_id=2306

there are three. you might be surprised, the file name are actually names (PBrand, FPierre-Louis, DSimpson). that means they are sort of the supposed no.1 pick, but you can't control CPUs drafting so they may slide down.
some early scouting reports on whose to watch out are there in the download link(didn't want to lengthen my guest post here :D).. some names don't have audio though, it's because some names are still from nba live days and i still have them in draft classes. actually, for three consecutive years now, i've redone theses three draft classes (NBA 2k10, 2k11 and now 2k12)

enjoy the association..
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby Nick on Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:56 am

Cool. (Y) I'll download 'em and use 'em in ma own associashe. Noice
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby Kolczu on Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:32 am

You inspired me to make my own Draft Class. Sorry for my bad english :wink: .


KOLCZ DRAFT CLASS 1
PROSPECT LIST

(Ordered roughly by CURRENT ability, not potential ability.)


Dion Yi, PG, 22, International (Japan)
Yi is the crazy PG with the amazing passing skils. He is absolutely offensive monster and unquestioned star of japans youtube. On U-20 World Championship he has a incredible 15.5 APG and go with his team to semi final.
Player type: True first pass point guard. Comparison: Young Steve Nash
Strengths:
- Has a great court vision
- Good mid-range jump shot
- Good skill in the offensive low-post
- A amazing skilled ball handler
- Very Talented
- Good English
Weaknesses:
- Defense is horrible
- Poor rebounder
- Tough character
Comments:
- NBA ready
- Great offensive but poor defender. Could be a star in the court and in the talk-show.

Iancu Busca, PF, 20, International (Romania)
Busca is the next post offense genius in the league. He uses a variety of midrange jumpers, hook shots, up-and-under moves, and shot fakes to score very efficiently. In Europe he scored 39 points in Euroleague final.
Player type: Soft handed power forward. Comparison: Pau Gasol
Strengths:
- Great arsenal of offensive move
- Good defensive rebounder
- Very talented
- Soft hands
- Nerves of steel
Weaknesses:
- Poor athleticism
- Not good offensive rebounder
- A soft in defense.
Comments:
- If he improve his athleticism, he can be the next superstar PF in the league.

Lou Levingston, SF, 22, Duke
Lou is a next wonder kid from Duke University and #1 ESPN top100. He impresses its athleticism and mature game. His laid back personality makes he a good team spirit.
Player type: Athletic Forward. Offensive/Defensive case scenario: Danny Granger / Gerald Wallace
Strengths:
- Very quick
- Good athleticism
- Not conflict personality
- Enjoys the game
- Big potential
- Like hard work
Weaknesses:
- He must improve his jump shot
- There stands out in offensive and defensive
Comments:
- He can be a offensive machines or defensive prodigy
- Has a funny protruding ears

Vincent Cop, PG, 21, LSU
Cop is a tall pg who great finish inside. He have problem with mid range shot selection, often play too selfish.
Player type: Scorring Guard Best/Worst case scenario: Penny Hardaway without jump shot / Sam Cassel without jump shot
Strengths:
- Good size (6'6")
- Good potential
- Good finisher
- Nice pass
Weaknesses:
- He play too selfish
- Bad shooter for pg
- He argue with referees
Comments:
- Can be a starter in future, but must improve his team play.


Zach Rivers, SG, 21, North Carolina
Rivers is fantastic perimeter defender, 2 times NABC Defensive Player of the Year. He can defend all backcourt position, from fast PG to athletic SF. Has the tremendous work ethic and lungs for iron.
Player type: Defensive Guard Best/Worst case scenario: Sidney Moncrief/Ronne Brewer
Strengths:
- Great defender
- Plays with heart
- Sense for steal
- He can defend higher opponents
- Like hard work
- Good potential
Weaknesses:
- Poor offensive skills
- Bad shot for SG
Comments:
- He can be nightmare for opponents teams shoter, but firstly must improve his offensive game.

Tomas Booker, SG, 23, Kentucky
Booker is a exciting SG with the incredible dunk ability. He is very popular player, but his potential is limited .
Player type: Spectacular Slasher Best/Worst case scenario: Vince Carter / DeMar DeRozan now
Strengths:
- Very popular player
- Great fast break finisher
- Good athleticism, flashy dunker.
Weaknesses:
- Limited potential
- Ineffective
Comments:
- He can warm up the audience, but never be the star


Mack Battle, PG, 19, Virginia Tech
Battle is the next great shoter from rage, who probably should've stayed in college. He has a sense for scoring outside but he a undersized (6'0" and only 176 lbs).
Player type: 3pt specialist PG Best/Worst case scenario: Mike Bibby in his prime / Mike Bibby now
Strengths:
- Good mid-range and Great range scorer.
- Good ball handler
- Nice pass
Weaknesses:
- Not that athletic.
- Undersized
- Not NBA ready
Comments:
- Battle is too small for NBA, but his great 3pt shoot makes he a solid role player.

Darin Gilbert, C, 21, Gonzaga
Darin is the very big men with the good defensive game. He is limited by his poor offensive skill and overweight, Has a good potential but doesn’t like hard work.
Player type: Defensive Center. Best/Worst case scenario: Andrew Bogut/ Anderson Varejao
Strengths:
- Good defender
- Good rebounder
- Sense for block
- Very strong
- Good inside shoot
- Nice potential
Weaknesses:
- Eat too many donuts
- Poor ball handling.
- Poor conditioning
- Very slow
- Poor ofensive game
Comments:
- In NBA era where the center position is weak, he can be a starter in weaker team, but on begins must improve his work ethic and offensive game.

Jim Brady, PF, 21, Montana
Brady is player who give all his forces to defend a basket. He play would like bite of his opponent hands.
Player type: Defensive role player. Comparison:: Kurt Rambis
Strengths:
- Great defender
- Play with sacrifice
Weaknesses:
- Poor offensive game
- Limited potential
Comments:
- He never be a main star in this league but he can be a solid role player in ever team.

Other Main Prospect:
Lammar Terrell – Good scoring SG with limited potential
Corie Caldwel – All – around SF with nice mid range shoot
Ruben Pope – PG with nice scoring ability, but he can not creating his teammates
Arvydass Simunic – Diamond from Lithuana. Player for manager who have a big patient
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby TGsoGood on Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:48 pm

Great idea guys I've been doing this on my own... this next step up would of course be to have each player have a realistic face. If anybody is up for the task PM me
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby Nick on Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:26 pm

Wow, it's really cool to see people getting on board with this. People really forget how much generated players in 2k ruin association modes, so the more fictional draft classes out there the better!
Good stuff Kolczu and z_dize (Y) :)

For people who want to make fictional classes, here's some rules of thumb that i would encourage people to follow:
- I know it's tempting but try not to make prospects over 75 ovr, unless you're talking about a once-in-a-generation type of prospect. Even when players like lebron and durant were rookies it would've been pretty hard to justify a 75+ rating. And try not to have too many players over 70+ unless you intend for it to be a strong draft. 5+ players over 70+ is a strong draft, and should be RARE.
- Don't be afraid to have plenty of players rated under 60. Players do improve pretty significantly in 2k12.
- Potential: 74 is the magic number. Any potential over that will basically mean that the player will turn into a star, especially if they're only 19. This is because player potential ratings actually increase from year to year for a player. So try to limit potential being 75+ unless you want the player to become significant in the league. Remember that the point of fictional draft classes is to reduce over-saturation of star players.
- The most significant rating increases are seen between the ages of 19-24.
- The difference between 65 and 75 for potential is HUGE. 25-64 for potential is essentially the same thing. 80-99 is essentially the same thing too. But the difference between 68 and 71 is big. One potential pt can mean the difference between turning into star or not in some cases. run some tests and see for yourself!
- Read & follow this thread for great info on potential: http://www.operationsports.com/forums/s ... p?t=518205 ...some of these dudes are running tests and the results are interesting.
- Also check out this guy's thread for ideas: http://www.operationsports.com/forums/n ... nside.html ...he was what inspired me to release my own fictional draft class (i've always just made them for my own use). He is basically the god of this stuff lol so head over there and check it out.

Good luck chaps
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby anastasis16 on Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:04 am

deep fictional draft class Nick, nice :) I think it's time to start a new asso., my prev. one was a mess, I always got bored after 5 seasons, hopefully you'll release Draft Class 2-10 :mrgreen: THX..
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby z_dize on Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:04 pm

thanks for the links Nick. always wanted to know more about potential since I knew it would be big for draft classes.
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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby comeback on Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:36 am

Hey Nick Thanks for your hard work. Great job on your prospects report - It really helps me dive into the draft mode. Very well written (Y) (Y) (Y)

I hope you make 2nd class also! If you are going to release them, can you create couple of more great centers in it? (I really miss the days of big boy battles in NBA: Ewing, Olajuwan, Robinson, Shaq, Mutombo, Mourning....)

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Re: [Nick] Fictional Draft Class 1

Postby Nick on Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:51 pm

I'll keep it in mind. (Y)
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