A LEGEND IS BORN III

[Martti.]

1. Magic - No one else like him has come along, a 6'9 PG. And no one smiles as much as him.
2. Stockton - Probably the greatest PG to without a title in his career. Great passer and a very good defender.
3. Isiah - Scoring 25 in a quarter on a severely sprained ankle in the NBA Finals is pretty good.
4. Big O - Triple-double for a season.
5. Cousy - The first great PG, so many titles and basically the inventor of the behind-the-back pass.
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Outside looking in - Nash, Kidd, Payton, Frazier
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Just outside - Will Sit

[Valor]

I thought Will Sit is a former GM and current head coach in this association, how is he a point guard?

[hova-]

Wow, I was just too lazy to post and then when I decided to get a hand on it, there were like 5 perfect lists. So I won't add my two cents here and instead just let you know that it's a real tough decision between these lists

[megarover]

Wow, I was just too lazy to post and then when I decided to get a hand on it, there were like 5 perfect lists. So I won't add my two cents here and instead just let you know that it's a real tough decision between these lists

+1 exact same thing happened to me and there is no way my list will compare to theirs

[kibaxx7]

+2. You all killed me

[Fresh8]

These lists are far from perfect so there ia still opportunity to win. I have certain criteria to pick the best list. You still got a day to post your own!

[Fresh8]

October 22, 2012
Trade Reaction: Atlanta Hawks and Dallas Mavericks Deal
By Willard Smith

The Deal

Atlanta Hawks: Chris Douglas-Roberts, Maurice Williamson, 2013 First Round Pick
Dallas Mavericks: Stanley Mayo, Chuck Hayes

This is a trade that helps both teams. Marcus Banks is a great scoring PG but his talents are probably better maximized off the bench as a sparkplug who can come in and hit a couple of shots as part of the second unit. The Hawks now bring in a young player in Stanley Mayo who is more focused on the playmaking aspect of his position. The Mavs, meanwhile, get a player who can start at SG and a first round pick for next year’s NBA Draft.

Trade Breakdown

Atlanta Hawks

Stanley Mayo made the NBA based on one word: upside. That one attribute is why the Hawks traded for him. After three years in Dallas, Mayo has developed into a solid player but he has never had the chance to prove whether he could be a worthwhile starter. His chance came this season before Steve Nash and Jerryd Bayless were added to the team in the off-season. The addition of those two more-proven point guards made Mayo expendable and so the Mavs decided to fill their need at a different position. (see below)

Mayo is 6’2”, 197 lbs and 25 years old. He is averaging 9 points and 3 assists this season in limited minutes. If the experiment of Mayo as a starter fails, the 14th pick of the 2009 Draft is off-contract at the end of the season. That gives the Hawks a chance to re-assess their options. If the experiment is a success, then the Hawks have a better chance of a repeat and the future would seem to be brighter for the aging squad.

The Hawks could have gotten a better player (Jose Calderon would have been a great addition) but didn’t want to part with more talent so they got a fair deal here. Chuck Hayes won’t be much more than a practice player for the team due to its talent-laden frontcourt but Mayo’s addition makes a lot of sense.

Projected Lineup: Al Horford | Josh Smith | Tayshaun Prince | Manu Ginobili | Stanley Mayo | Sixth Man: Marcus Banks

Trade Grade: B+

Dallas Mavericks

The Mavs had nobody at SG except for rookie Leo Lai. It’s early in the season but judging from Lai’s performances so far, he is far too much of a project to be starting at the NBA level. The Mavs seemed to have pondered reinserting Hedo Turkoglu into the starting five but ultimately opted to make an early season deal to acquire a starter-caliber SG.

Douglas-Roberts cropped up at the right time. He was forced to start in place of the injured Manu Ginobili for the Hawks and opened the season with 17 points. He has been solid ever since and so the Mavs decided that it was worth it to trade Mayo – whom they have invested so much time into – for the journeyman 6’7” swingman. The last time the 2008 second round selection was a starter was in the 09-10 season where he averaged 12 ppg, 3.3rpg, 2.2 apg for the Cleveland Cavaliers. He’s been a reserve for the rest of his career but expect similar numbers from him for the Mavs.

This was a good deal for Dallas because Douglas-Roberts is a quick-fix for their issue of having no legit starting SG. Lai returns to the bench, where he is better suited and the Mavs also get a first round pick to boot. Smart deal for Dallas and smiles all around (except for Lai).

Projected Lineup: Samuel Dalembert | Dirk Nowitzki | Kenneth Dela Cruz | Chris Douglas-Roberts | Steve Nash | Sixth Man: Jerryd Bayless

Trade Grade: A

[dare]

Lai's hope of being another Kobe has been crushed

[Fresh8]

Lai's hope of being another Kobe has been crushed

If it makes him feel any better, Kobe wasn't a starter till his third season or something.

[dare]

Lai's hope of being another Kobe has been crushed

If it makes him feel any better, Kobe wasn't a starter till his third season or something.

But first he need to get traded to a team for a center then battle for minutes.

[Valor]

Fuck Douglas-Roberts, I shall own him in practice.

He shouldn't mess with me

[Fresh8]

Lai's hope of being another Kobe has been crushed

If it makes him feel any better, Kobe wasn't a starter till his third season or something.

But first he need to get traded to a team for a center then battle for minutes.

MJ never got traded for a center then battle for minutes. That never stopped Kobe from trying to be like Mike.

Fuck Douglas-Roberts, I shall own him in practice.

He shouldn't mess with me

Sorry, I think he owns you. haha

[hova-]

Okay: Note that this list does not include guys I have never seen playing. It would just be unfair to rate them without really knowing them well. So no Bob Cousy, Oscar Robertson or Jerry West in this list since I have not seen many footage of them.

1. Magic Johnson: 5x NBA Champ, 3x Regular Season MVP, 12x All Star, One of the 50 best NBA Players of All Time

What could you not like about Earvin "Magic Johnson". This guy could play five positions on the court and dominate from PG to C. He combined success and style bringing the no-look pass and his bright smile to the game while also winning five NBA championships. 19/7/11 per game over his career are simply ridiculous. For me he is easily the best PG of the post 60ies.

2. Chris Paul: 1x NBA Champ, 1x NBA Regular Season MVP, 6x All Star

Some may say "why is this guy ranked way above other legends at the age of only 27?". Well because he is about to build his own legend. He led his Hornets to their first Championship ever in 2010-11 beating a solid Detroit squad almost single-handedly. The Hornets had the best regular season record in 2010-11 and the second best in 2011-2012 but the Playoff success was missing the last couple of years. Nevertheless Paul has everything a guard need except height. But he can compensate that. He also helped Team USA to win the gold medal in the 2010 World Cup and the 2012 Olympics. And how does 20/10 for his career sound? This guy is a phenomenon and should be honored in this list.

3. Isaiah Thomas: 2x NBA Champ, 12x All Star

Actually this one was a tough choice. A guy who has never won a MVP award and whose stats are not astonishing at all. But hey, on the other hand, give me another 19/9 PG with a ring on each pinky. Is there one? Not really (remember, we're talking about the post sixties). Thomas was so quick and his ball handling so well that you can hardly argue with his height. And he also had one thing that not many other guys out there had: will. His will to win games and to destroy his opponent was maybe the biggest asset of Isaiah Thomas.

4. Steve Nash: 2x Regular Season MVP, 8x All Star

Okay, Steve Nash has not won a Championship yet and given his age of 40 you can doubt wether or not he will manage to get another shot at the title like the Blazers had in 2011. During his Mavs days, the little Canadian did not really play amazingly but was considered one of the better PGs in the league. Things changed when Nash left to join the Suns. The soccer fan who has been born in South Africa brought a whole new style to the 2005 Suns team and won two consecutive MVP awards. It took him until 2010 though to reach his first finals but the Celtics proved to be stronger than the Blazers. Nash' averages have dropped since joining the star-studded Trailblazers but he is still valuable and has only shown little decline physically. The only thing Nash never did was defending. But if you can handle the break like this, it's not hard to pardon that.

5. John Stockton: 10x All Star, One of the 50 best player of All Time

John Stockton was ugly. And I mean, DAMN, was he ugly. The tight shorts. The hair of a milksop. And those hairy white legs. Simple and plain, this guy must have had other issues than his appearance. His passing maybe? John Stockton was perhaps the best pure passing Point Guard in NBA history. His assist rate stand at 10.6 throughout 1500+ games. 1500+ games! This guy also had great physical gifts. Maybe not the athleticism, but his stamina and duration. No one has ever played more games for the same team than Stockton spent with the Jazz. He was also an excellent shooter hitting more than .500% of his shots. And if ugliness could rather win titles than skill and consistency, John Stockton would have at least one ring on his finger. He hasn't, but still should be considered one of the best PGs in NBA history.


Maybe I will continue this list with J-Kidd etc. But I'm too lazy right now

[puttincomputers]

am i too late?
ok here goes
1. Oscar Robinson, most underrated player of all time. I believe he was the best at every skill set that a pg needs not just assists and scoring.
2. Jason Kidd, dude can just play man. Devin who?
3. John Stockton, was the best passer of all time.
4. Cousy, after reading about cousy i may as well throw him in here. Wish I knew more about him
5. Isaiah Thomas, leader on a team of misfits and led them to two championships.
6. Steve Nash. Hes nashty! hard to keep him this low. remember the pass to i think it was amare in the dunk competition? He headed the ball as if it was a soccer ball!
7. Tony Parker, face of the steady gaurd in todays nba
8. Chauncey Billups, rings with the Pistons and hopefully the nuggets next year.
9. Spud Webb, showed the world that even the little guys can fly.
10. Avery Johnson, one of the greatest leaders on the court and the sideline. imho
HM. Muggsy Boggues. proved you can be small and still be effective.


where is Magic? im sorry, but since magic played every position i consider him a sg or small forward.

[Fresh8]

Thanks for your submissions!

Will grade them all later tonight!

[The X]

You may as well ignore my list. I based it on real life, not your Association. I didn't even read the post where you asked people to do it to win stuff. So yes, I have now deleted my original post. Thank you

[Fresh8]

Thanks to all of those who submitted their lists in my latest challenge.

In order to judge who made the ‘best’ list, I will firstly show you what my list would have looked like.

1. Magic Johnson – There is no dispute that Magic is the best of all-time at the position. 5 rings, multiple individual accolades, and single handily (along with Larry Bird) made the NBA relevant in the 1980s and paving the way for it to become so popular.

2. Oscar Robertson – I was a bit hesitant on putting the Big O so high but in the end, I could not convince myself that he is/was overrated. Averaging a triple double in any era of basketball is an outstanding achievement. The stats and the fact he won a ring put him higher than the rest of the list.

3. Isaiah Thomas – I wanted to put him at 2 but Big O’s career stats of 26, 7.5, 9.5 trumps Thomas’ career stats. But I couldn’t put Thomas any further down the list. Why? Not many point guards of the modern age have led their teams to back to back NBA championships.

4. Jason Kidd – This is going to cause some discussion. Here is my case for Kidd. Unlike Stockton, Kidd has moved from team to team and proven to be a positive influence on all the teams he has played for (except for his second stint in Dallas). Stockton proved himself with one team. Although his achievements were phenomenal, Kidd has proven himself on many different teams. Dallas, Phoenix, New Jersey, and now Seattle (Led the league in assists in his first year with the Stealth and a trip to the Western Conference Finals). The game doesn’t track triple doubles but he is still producing them. The only thing missing is a ring but if Kidd can add that to his resume this season, I would put him as number 3.

5. John Stockton – All-Time leader in Assists and Steals. The fact that he was so consistent for 19 years. Did not miss many games over his whole career. Two Finals appearances. I couldn’t put him outside of the Top 5.

6. Bob Cousy – He played in a different era but you will never find another point guard with 8 rings. He belongs here. I wouldn’t put him any higher because I have never seen him play before as well as the fact that he comes from the era he comes from. It’s too hard to compare him to modern-day players. But as I said, 8 rings for one PG. It’s never going to happen again.

7. Chris Paul – NBA MVP, NBA Championship all at a age. Has been a top 5 player for most of his career as he consistently averages over 20 points and 10 dimes a season as well as ranking top 5 in steals and grabbing plenty of boards every game. Single handily carrying the Hornets’ franchise. Two time Olympic champion. Chris Paul is this good.

8. Walt Frazier – Had to fit this guy in somewhere. Maybe the best defensive player at his position and without him, there would have been no Gary Payton because Frazier made stealing the ball an art form. Two time champion amongst other things.

9.Nate Archibald – The only player to lead the league in both points and assists in one season, this was Iverson before Iverson. Archibald was damn quick and would finish his career with a ring in Boston alongside the young Larry Bird. Plenty of individual awards including a spot in the NBA’s 50 greatest players in 1996.

10. Gary Payton – This one came down between Payton and Nash and I stuck with Payton. The only PG to win a defensive player of the year award. Payton wasn’t just an awesome defender but he could score the basketball. Although his career fizzled out fairly quick after joining the Lakers in 2004, Payton still finished with one ring. One of the best two way point guards in the NBA ever. If Nash wins a ring, I would probably put him here at 10 seeing that he has 2 MVP awards. But it is a very tough call between these two.

No one was expected to post exactly the same list as mine and that is why I looked for certain points to be made that could have gained you points. The criteria are as follows:

Everyone’s list starts at 10 points.
If you had the same player at the same position on your list as mine, you add an extra 2 points.
If you had the same player on your list as mine, you add an extra point.
If you had Jason Kidd at 5 or higher, you add an extra 3 points.
If you had Chris Paul at 7 or higher, you add an extra 3 points.
If you had Gary Payton higher than Steve Nash on your list, you add an extra 3 points.
Due to me being impressed with some of the lists, you add an extra 5 points for using content from the story.
Due to a lot of ass kissing, you lose 10 points for mentioning Will Sit as a point guard.

And the results are:

De8: 0
Martti.: 7
Puttincomputers: 18
Hova: 24
Valor: 29
Dare: 30

Congratulations Dare, you were the surprise winner.

Guys, you can appeal your scores if you do a recalculation using my grading system. Thanks!

[|)e8*]

Yes Im awesome!

[megarover]

Mentioning Will Sit as point guard equals a deduction..........genius

[Valor]

Shouldn't my score be 32?

base score of 10
8 entries same which is 8 points
3 entries same position which is 6
Chris Paul 7th or higher, 3 points
Quotes, references from/to story, 5 points

10+8+6+3+5 = 32

EDIT: also, when can we rooks use our points? i remember i had a ton of points left over from ALIB II, I WANT MY STARTING SPOT BACK

[dare]

Damn I'm good

[Fresh8]

Valor, you can use your new points that you have won.

As for the past points, they were used to decide how good your rookies would be. As a result, Liam has the best rookie out of all NLSCers while you have the best potential.

[Fresh8]

Conference Final Rematch Is A Stunner
29 November, 2012
Preview | Box Score | Recap | Highlights



SEATTLE (AP) – In a re-match between the two teams who contested the last Western Conference Finals, eager fans got what they wanted to see; a close game coming right down to the wire. The Kings were able to pull off a heart-stopping 86-85 win - the score so close perhaps due to their star player Moses Chara being a little under the weather.

Chara, suffering from the flu, did not look himself all night but came up big down the stretch as he hit four clutch free throws to keep the game out of reach from the Stealth. Chara finished with a meager 14 points, 8 rebounds. Kevin Martin picked up the slack and led the team with 25 points. Former Seattle Stealth PG Russell Westbrook added 12 points, 9 assists, 4 steals, and one huge dunk in traffic, Michael Redd and Shaquille O’Neal added 10 points apiece.

Kevin Durant finished with 26 points but watched in vain as Reshawn Tyson and Andrew Bogut disappeared in the moments that mattered. Tyson, Bogut, and Trevor Ariza each scored 10 points while Jason Kidd added 9 points and 6 assists.

The first quarter saw the Kings race out into the lead thanks to outstanding marksmanship from behind the three point line. Durant then put his team on his back in the second quarter to force the game back into a contest. The match was evenly contested for the rest of it and that set up a furious finish in the final 3 minutes of the game. Over a 2 minute stretch, Seattle excelled with an 8-2 run. The run was capped by back to back Kidd buckets. Kidd made a tough layup in traffic with 1:54 left on the clock and then surprised everyone with a wide open jumper to tie the game with 1:20 remaining.

Then there was controversy after Tyson was called for a flagrant foul, which sent Westbrook to the line. He hit one free throw and the Kings kept possession of the ball. Chara was then fouled and he calmly sank both free throws to put Sacramento ahead by 3 points with 40 seconds left. A three point attempt by Durant was short but Mingyu Li cleaned up the glass and converted the put back bucket to cut the lead to 1 again. The Stealth then forced the Kings into a tough shot but Chara was there to pick off his own miss and was sent once again to the free throw line. He hit both shots to keep his team ahead 86-83 with 8 seconds remaining. Chris Wilcox’s shot with 4 seconds left was no consolation as the Stealth failed to send a Kings player to the line as time ran out.

Notes: Stealth Head Coach Will Sit was literally crying foul as he complained about the officiating crew after the game. “That technical foul was (expletive) and how can you not call a foul in those last few seconds? We’re down by 1 and hacking the other team, we want to send them to the line, and the refs swallow up the whistle. That was disgraceful!”… Team USA teammates Chara and Durant seemed icy towards each other prior to tipoff. That didn’t improve as the game went on – the two were trash talking all night…

[hova-]

Tough loss and a very close one. Sit will get fined for that I guess. The Kings just have so many guys who can pick up the slack when Chara or even Martin disappear, the Stealth don't have this depth. Hopefully this will be the other way around in the playoffs.

[Valor]

Valor, you can use your new points that you have won.

As for the past points, they were used to decide how good your rookies would be. As a result, Liam has the best rookie out of all NLSCers while you have the best potential.

I see, do i get the appeal?

Tough loss to the Kings, KD needs to improve in the Clutch

btw, dunno if its just me, but boxscores won't show