Best blocking big man in nba?

[Cleveland wins]

Who's the best blocking big man in the nba? I couldn't narrow it down to one but here are my top 3 choices because of last years performances.
Dwight howard
Marcus camby
Emaka Okafor

[Cartar]

Ian Mahinmi, since he had the best blocks per 48 minutes average in the league in 07-08(source: http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Bl ... ll%20Teams).

But seriously I would say Dwight or Marcus

[cyanide]

Andrew Bynum could be up there as well. I'm just saying that because he's on my fantasy league team, but still.

If not him, then Dwight Howard.

[Doobie]

This is a gimme. Eddy Curry is the NBA's best shot blocker.

On a more serious note, Tim Duncan is a big under rated as a shot blocker, but I'd give the honors to Dwight.

[OrlMagic]

Marcus Camby Or Dwight

[Alejandrov011]

Marcus Camby

[benji]

If someone bothered to measure blocks recovered by the defense, we'd know. (And I'd suspect Timmy would show up better.)

Last season, top shot blockers, 1000+ minutes, % of opposing team shots blocked.
[table][mrow]Player[mcol]Blk%
[row]camby,marcus[col]5.6
[row]williams,sean[col]5.0
[row]smith,josh[col]4.7
[row]kaman,chris[col]4.4
[row]dalembert,samuel[col]4.3
[row]o'neal,jermaine[col]4.2
[row]turiaf,ronny[col]4.2
[row]blatche,andray[col]4.1
[row]diop,desagana[col]4.1
[row]bynum,andrew[col]4.0[/table]

% of opposing team jumpers blocked.
[table][mrow]Player[mcol]JBlk%
[row]blatche,andray[col]2.7
[row]haywood,brendan[col]2.6
[row]perkins,kendrick[col]2.6
[row]milicic,darko[col]2.3
[row]bynum,andrew[col]2.1[/table]

% of opposing team shots in the paint blocked.
[table][mrow]Player[mcol]CBlk%
[row]camby,marcus[col]15.9
[row]williams,sean[col]13.6
[row]o'neal,jermaine[col]12.8
[row]smith,josh[col]11.8
[row]turiaf,ronny[col]11.2[/table]

% of opposing team dunks blocked.
[table][mrow]Player[mcol]DBlk%
[row]przybilla,joel[col]7.2
[row]dampier,erick[col]6.9
[row]stoudemire,amare[col]6.4
[row]kaman,chris[col]4.6
[row]diop,desagana[col]4.4
[row]okafor,emeka[col]4.4[/table]

[Matthew]

Are those stats meant to prove something?

[Gundy]

Marcus Camby.

[Lamrock]

Are those stats meant to prove something?

His vastly superior intellect and amount of spare time on his hands of course.

[Matthew]

Are those stats meant to prove something?

His vastly superior intellect and amount of spare time on his hands of course.

How does that prove intellect exactly?

[Lamrock]

It doesn't. It is meant to.

[Matthew]

Do you have any idea how abstract you are?

[Patr1ck]

There is no way to tell from numbers unless you somehow come up with statistics on whether shot blockers bothered the shooters even in their failed attempts. A great shot blocker doesn't have to swat the ball away.

[Matthew]

Exactly Pdub. Plus if there is an extremely effective shotblocker/ defender, some teams will try to avoid that matchup and look to other players for offense.

Additionally, Camby for example, his shot block numbers were high because of the weak defense by the rest of the Nuggets. How many times was he scored on when he went for those blocks? Is Ronny Turiaf really a better shot blocker then Emeka Okafor?

[Andrew]

The often-told tale of Bill Russell's effect on defenders who feared he was bearing down on them comes to mind,

I'd say it's between Camby and Howard.

[shadowgrin]

Those stats. Kaman and Turiaf. Wow.

Darko!

[benji]

Is Ronny Turiaf really a better shot blocker then Emeka Okafor?

Well, got any evidence he isn't? I mean it's not like he's never blocked shots at a high rate. And he did swat just shy of a shot a game in the playoffs despite not even playing ten minutes a game.

Or any evidence for this:

his shot block numbers were high because of the weak defense by the rest of the Nuggets

Or any evidence that "intimidation" has any actual effect? And if you aren't actually blocking shots, are you really intimidating people with the threat of blocking their shot? (i.e. Russell, who also gets often told tales of 8+ blocks a game)

A great shot blocker doesn't have to swat the ball away.

If a guy never blocks a shot, he's not a great shot blocker.

Are those stats meant to prove something?

No, and nobody said they were. Maybe you shouldn't assume. (And I would certainly never argue that Marcus Camby is the best shot blocker in the NBA because of his league leading status in blocking shots in 2007-08.)

The original poster did say "based on last years performance." In such a case, it is nice to include some information, especially when not easily available in a nice list (you'd have to go to each players 82games page), when discussing things instead of just listing names. And someone seems to have missed:

If someone bothered to measure blocks recovered by the defense, we'd know.

[Cleveland wins]

I don't know any thing about hilton armstrong but did any of you see him in that game last night? I forgot who he plays for but he got at least 2 blocks. I didn't know he can block shots.

[Matthew]

Well, got any evidence he isn't? I mean it's not like he's never blocked shots at a high rate. And he did swat just shy of a shot a game in the playoffs despite not even playing ten minutes a game.

If you want to take Turiaf over Emeka, then you do that. Emeka is a much bigger presence around the basket then Turiaf will ever be.

Or any evidence for this:
Quote:
his shot block numbers were high because of the weak defense by the rest of the Nuggets

It's simple? If you're playing in a face paced game, and you're a big man and the opposing teams guards continuously get into the lane and you come on help, naturally you will get more opportunities for blocks.

Or any evidence that "intimidation" has any actual effect? And if you aren't actually blocking shots, are you really intimidating people with the threat of blocking their shot? (i.e. Russell, who also gets often told tales of 8+ blocks a game)

Do you even, or have you even, played basketball? Do you think those players are robots and don't recognise when there is a good shotblocker out there and they don't try to attack him? You really think Mutumbo, Alonzo, Shaq never intimidated players into not trying to score inside?

No, and nobody said they were. Maybe you shouldn't assume. (And I would certainly never argue that Marcus Camby is the best shot blocker in the NBA because of his league leading status in blocking shots in 2007-08.)

I didn't assume anything you cocksucker, I asked you a question. You post your stats like they are the be all and you can't logically justify them. Your replies are just a little song and dance to get around the issue.

Don't worry though, I'm sure Lamrock stick <3's you.

[benji]

I didn't assume anything you cocksucker

You post your stats like they are the be all

Such language. Certainly looks like you're assuming my motives. And you did assume that the stats were supposed to prove something. Instead of simply being the information dump that they are.

you can't logically justify them

I have no idea what this statement is supposed to mean. Got any examples?

Your replies are just a little song and dance to get around the issue.

What's the issue?

Do you even, or have you even, played basketball? Do you think those players are robots and don't recognise when there is a good shotblocker out there and they don't try to attack him? You really think Mutumbo, Alonzo, Shaq never intimidated players into not trying to score inside?

Yeah, I have. And I'm not a crybaby who when a player gets a lone block on me I wet my pants at the thought of ever trying to score inside again. And I don't think NBA players are children who get scared of the three or less blocks a game a player gets that they're actually afraid of trying to go inside. Especially if they're a star who gets 20+ shots a game.

It's simple? If you're playing in a face paced game, and you're a big man and the opposing teams guards continuously get into the lane and you come on help, naturally you will get more opportunities for blocks.

Well, the pace is accounted for by doing a percentage of all opponents shots. And it certainly is plausable that Marcus Camby got more blocks because perimeter players were so bad they let players drive. But it's also plausable that Marcus Camby is such a great shot blocker, and his intimidation factor is off the charts leading the league in "opposing players shorts soiled," that the Nuggets purposely filtered players towards him.

But there's still no evidence that's been presented to support either claim. And even if the claim is true, does it necessarily make the claim that Marcus Camby is the best shotblocker false?

If you want to take Turiaf over Emeka, then you do that.

Where did I say I wanted to? I was just wondering if you had any evidence that Ronny Turiaf is not a better shot blocker than Emeka Okafor. But I guess, like normal, all you have to back up your claims is just more claims:

Emeka is a much bigger presence around the basket then Turiaf will ever be

[BigKaboom2]

Matthew, are you saying that the stats are inaccurate or that if you consistently block shots at a higher rate than another player, that doesn't mean you're a better shot blocker?

I don't see how "intimidation" (completely unmeasurable anyway) has anything to do with blocking shots.

[Matthew]

Such language. Certainly looks like you're assuming my motives. And you did assume that the stats were supposed to prove something. Instead of simply being the information dump that they are.

So you finally admit what your stats are. You could of just said that when I asked

Are those stats meant to prove something?

And you wonder why I say

Your replies are just a little song and dance

Yeah, I have. And I'm not a crybaby who when a player gets a lone block on me I wet my pants at the thought of ever trying to score inside again. And I don't think NBA players are children who get scared of the three or less blocks a game a player gets that they're actually afraid of trying to go inside. Especially if they're a star who gets 20+ shots a game.

I didn't say that players stop attacking the basket if they get their shot blocked once or twice, but if a player is an extremely effective shotblocker, or anything for that man (3 point shooter, post up player etc) other teams will use strategy to try and limit that strength. If a player is a dominating shot blocker, do you really think NBA players are stupid enough to keep attacking him and get their shot blocked?

Well, the pace is acounted for by doing a percentage of all opponents shots. And it certainly is plausable that Marcus Camby got more blocks because perimeter players were so bad they let players drive. But it's also plausable that Marcus Camby is such a great shot blocker, and his intimidation factor is off the charts leading the league in "opposing players shorts soiled," that the Nuggets purposely filtered players towards him.

See, what the fuck is that. Is that even a joke? How can anyone take anything you say serious when all you do is post a useless (and large) amount of stats which imply that Jordan Famar is a better defender then Garnett (because he gets more stops) and Ronny Turiaf is a better shot blocker then Emeka (because he has a higher % of opposing teams shots blocked.

And Bigkaboom, gtfo. You only post when I attack your mancrush Benji. Leave it to PM's or msn.

[BigKaboom2]

Sorry for offending you, Forum Leader Matthew.

[benji]

So you finally admit what your stats are. You could of just said that when I asked

I did?

In such a case, it is nice to include some information, especially when not easily available in a nice list (you'd have to go to each players 82games page), when discussing things instead of just listing names.

If a player is a dominating shot blocker, do you really think NBA players are stupid enough to keep attacking him and get their shot blocked?

I don't think they'll keep getting their shot blocked.

See, what the fuck is that. Is that even a joke?

No. I am always 100% serious. For the internets are serious business.

How can anyone take anything you say serious when all you do is post a useless (and large) amount of stats

I didn't know more information was useless, sorry. This is apparently an information free zone.

which imply that Jordan Famar is a better defender then Garnett (because he gets more stops) and Ronny Turiaf is a better shot blocker then Emeka (because he has a higher % of opposing teams shots blocked.

And yet, I'm still waiting on the evidence to the contrary.