by Vins15 on Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:08 am
this is wut Travis himself has to say...
"Well, since people keep wanting me to reply to what is going on at the NLSC board concerning me, here's my reply. Since I don't post nor have any accounts at the NLSC boards, I've asked a friend to give a response. I hope this really clears a lot of what has been said of me and what they all mean, what my opinions and response to those people.
First off I would like to ask Joaqz (if you're reading this, pretty sure you are by now) to stop posting/announcing my patches on this board. If people wonder why he's posting them up for me is this, because he chose to. I didn't asked him to, he asked me if he could post it up and I said sure if you want to you may. A lot of people have been emailing me asking me why I don't post my work on the NLSC boards and I simply tell them I don't get along with most people there. People now should probably know why. Secondly, Eric (big_stud12585) is just one of the many or few people that still support my work and appreciate it. He is no way in affiliated with me or am I posing as him whatsoever. If people still don't believe me on that and still accuse me of being him. I've told Eric and the rest of the people that is at the AWR 2003 Forum about 9mm and uk very much resembles the likes of Tony and Alex. So believe what you want, probably no one really believes me because of my past.
Most people know that I don't get along with those guys and I wanna make it clear, I don't. So it's very obvious that these two "pretenders" are acting up again since their accounts were banned a while back. A reason I sorta know why and how it links to them is the way the act and talk. Their avatars from nbalive.org and NLSC are very similar. Onto more important things though, what Shane has been proclaiming.
About Shane, I've never liked the guy and I'll tell you why. He's is just as arrogant as most others and is pretty much like the dork of the NLSC. In reply to his posts..
SHANE HEFTY
"He said EA's was better and Tony's was better...those are both opinions which mean they are his to have. He wasn't degrading or flaming anyone at all, nor was he saying Travis' patch sucked; he was simply saying he liked Tony's and EA's better."
He (9mm) said EA's was better, yes. He said Tony's was better than EA's, true to that. That's his opinion and I respect that. What I don't respect is how he has been doing ever since Joaqz posted my patches on the NLSC board. There is a pattern to it and that's why I told Eric to tell them they're not welcome to comment because I know quite well what I'm going to get in return. Just look back at the history, pretty sure Eric has pointed them out to you guys. He comments (which is fine), then adds in a negative comment somehow. uk ALWAYS (and I do mean always) gives me a bad comment no matter how good the patch I put out, look at the Darrell Armstrong post in which the best I could get from him was "decent." Other than that patch I was dissed on a number of occasions, why? Simply because they don't like me so that's what they'll do.
"Oh, and for those of you who haven't been around, Travis Lee has never been able to take any sort of criticism, constructive or otherwise, and that's why he doesn't announce his patches on the NLSC...he's been that way since he started patching for Live 98, I think..."
Maybe you're right, I might not be the best person about taking criticism but at least I do take them seriously. If you didn't remember, I did post (on the old board) on time about people should email me about suggestions to improving some patches because I hardly get any. I'm sure you didn't remember that (on purpose) because you only want to point out the bad side of me.
"Because he said before he left (basically) that "I'm not gonna post on here because people are criticizing everything I do."
Wrong! Do you know me than I know myself? I don't think so. I left because I clearly said "the forum is not what it used to anymore." It has gone from bad to worst because people have nothing else to do than to sit there and criticize instead of appreciate what is there for you.
"Someone would say "You should use so and so's headshape" or "Your website is hard to get through" or "You should lighten his skin" or "You should close the mouth a bit better" and so on...that's constructive criticism, no?...and Travis would be incredibly offended. He 'retired' from patching several times, and this was generally the reason he gave."
Never got those, my website is never hard to get through. What the heck are you talking about? Have you checked my current site? If you have a hard time getting through it, you really need to take a closer look. Yes, I've retired from patching several times, it was more of a 'I needed a break' sorta thing and not 'I don't like what they're saying to me.' I shouldn't have retired and come back all those times and it was my mistake. You have to also look at it this way. Jordan retired and came back a few times. Tony "quit" and keeps coming back a few times (at the old board), he said he was bored many, many times so that was his excuse for coming back. When it comes to me, everyone will jump ship and say it's annoying and all that crap when I do it.
"The people treat him like crap because he lied about a bunch of things and had multiple accounts on the board to praise his own work, and also they gave him crap because he's supposed to be 21-22 years old and he's dating a 14 year old from florida over the internet. People lost a lot of respect for stuff like that...so yeah...that's the deal with the board. He didn't want to deal with people, and that's understandable, but at the same time, that's his own fault."
Yes, I lied and I now admit it, but I had a reason for doing what I did. Why I lied about my age you say? Well, here's why. At the time I got into patching, I was about 13 or so. I learned from all the comments being thrown around the board about "little 12, 13 year old kids don't know what they're talking about," and "they don't act the way they do" and such. I was afraid to be put under that category of being just a "little boy" and be treated like one, like I don't know anything around here. The other stuffs like Shana and "marriage," are just history because of the age I put myself as. Shana is really my girlfriend at the time but that didn't come until I was about 16, I was in love with her and so as time progresses. I put up the "marriage" gimmick because I was pretty much too deep into the whole age thing and I couldn't get out of it so I went along with it. About the Internet dating, she's currently 16 and I'm 19. People date online and stuff but..it's not what you expect from this relationship. All I do is talk and play online games with her, what is wrong with that? She is very mature and old enough to know what we're going through at the moment and everything is fine. Now that is MY personal life and I would really appreciate it if you and all others leave that out. Yes, it is my fault and I'm dealing with the consequences, no question about it.
"Funny you mention the patcher awards...Travis won one of those and it cause problems. Why? Not because he won it, but because he brought it up two years later in a profile. "I've won a few awards as the best patcher blah blah blah" and it came off as arrogant as hell and just plain...annoying. It was like Travis took patchin so seriously that it was his life. I patch for fun and I do it when I have time...to take it that seriously?"
I brought it up, I admit it. The only thing that you and all others are wrong about is that WASN'T being addressed to the people at NLSC, it was meant to be addressed to Jennifer. Get that straight. So when I say it was for Jennifer, why do you say I brought it up because I'm cocky or arrogant 'towards' the NLSC about it? Why do you say I'm rubbing it in your face? Man I post that up on my personal profile because it was sorta like a resume, ever heard of that? So I don't see why it was wrong to address and make a biography for my g/f. Patching isn't my life, I got other things to do than to worry about it. I do it as a hobby just like every other patcher out there. I have school and work to worry about and I'm sure you do too. Everyone has something to do in their personal life but my personal life will always be there on the surface because I am hated for what I've done in the past. As of right now, I'm trying to change that, I regret what I did in the past and I'm trying to make things better for me and for others around me.
"The rivalries between fans of patches is silly as hell. Tony's v. Travis and so on...just stupid. I prefer Tony's patches because they're more complete, but I mix and match with practice gear and shoes and faces and what not to get combinations I like...and I know for a fact Tony could care less who likes his stuff and who doesn't...and Travis doesn't seem to care anymore, so why the rivalries between 'fans?' I mean, seriously, fans for patches for a game? Please."
There are many, many patchers out there right now. Everyone has their own way of patching and styles to show. If you like someone's patch(s), you should download it. Mix and match all you want, I do that too. Honestly though, none of them are Tony's, Alex, yours, and a few others, not even Nick or Jowe's. Not because I their work isn't good, they are great at what they do and I respect that. I don't use them because I don't have time to download and pick and choose like you and most others do. I do however have like 2 or 3 patches from Devastator, but that's about it, nothing else because I'm too busy with things around my life that I have no time to play the game even. I make patches when I have time and when I'm bored and that is the truth. The "patcher fans" should also stop whatever is going on over there (at the NLSC), I do agree it is pointless.
"No, I don't hate him; I don't respect him because he had to create another account on a forum for a video game to praise himself and takes patching so seriously he actually brags about getting awards that aren't subjective in any way sort of form, not to mention lying in an effort to impress us. I mean, please, what are you even arguing? If you respect someone who lies to make themselve look 'cool' to complete strangers over the internet, you have a problem..."
I'm sure you don't hate me, but hating me because you accused me of "creating another account to praise myself" is just wrong and unjustified. You have no proof in that, there are thousands and millions of fans and accounts out there. When someone gives a good comment for me, you automatically say that's me. Like I said, there is no proof in that and I would never do that. If you still believe that it is true, you should definitely look at Tony and Alex's "other accounts"
"He's not stupid...he probably realized he looked like a big arrogant dork for doing something so stupid and selfish..."
No, I'm not stupid. That also isn't why I started to allow downloads of my patch. PastorSutton, if you're still here, care to explain please.
"If the guy doesn't want comments he shouldn't release his patch in a public forum..."
I didn't release it in public, read what was mentioned above.
"Travis' face patches are generally nothing special. That's my opinion, I'm not jocking Tony or whatever, but my faces are just as good as him (that's from a technical standpoint, think what you will...)"
Everyone has their own little opinions, you have yours. As far as you comparing yourself to Tony, your faces are no way near what he makes, in my opinion of course. Just my honest opinion on your work since you gave your honest opinion on mines.
"I lost respect for him because for all I know he could be stealing stuff from some unknown patcher and claiming credit (in Live 98 he used Vinlex's shoes without giving credit...probably a good thing Vinlex didn't care)..."
I took Vinlex's shoes without giving him credit? Obviously YOU did not know anything about that subject so I'll explain it to you. Vinlex and I are friends, we both agreed that it was ok for me to add his shoes on the jersey patches that I've released BECAUSE people wanted them on it and so I just add it in. You know quite well that I wouldn't have added his shoes in or any other shoes if people didn't keep emailing me about it, sheesh. I always give credit where credit is due, I really no not like using other people's work as base on my patches unless it is really necessary. So your point here is pointless because it wasn't true, you brought that up because you don't like me and I could understand that. I don't like you either. I just got a question is why do you bring up all of this when the announcement was supposed to be on my GARY PAYTON CYBERFACE?
"Since Tony and Alex came along to rip everyone who used pieces of patches without permission, Travis has been good about it..."
Yes, they came and rip everyone for using "pieces of patches without permission." You say I have been good about it since? Another lie right? I lie, obviously you think you know me more than anyone here so you bring up all these stuff. Some are true and some are false, so it's not just me doing the lying around here. To prove to you that you're absolutely wrong, you should go and email Vinlex and ask him if I asked for his permission to use his shoes or not. Once you get your answer you may shut up then. Like I said, I don't usually use anyone's work for a base in my work. The ONLY thing I ever used when making patches for Live 2003 was Dev's cornrows and facial hair, and yes I did asked him first.
"IP addresses and other ways, such as AOL dialups, which is what Travis uses...
Throw in the fact that there are tons of people jocking him when he's no better than me as a patcher, and it's just annoying...the Tsakalidis is barely improved"
How could you be so sure I'm using AOL dialups? Hmm..mine's AOL DSL, do you want proof? I got proof for you, just have to ask, lol ::sighs:: LOL, are you kidding me? I'm no better than you as a patcher? Don't want to sound rude or want to brag about it but if it isn't obvious to you that you can't make anything else than cyberfaces and cheap (yes I said cheap) practice jerseys, you really need to check out the other sections of my site. Yes, the Tsakalidis isn't much, there are more cyberfaces that I did NOT release because I know for a fact it wasn't good enough to be release so I didn't release them. If you can't see much of an improvement to that Tsakalidis face, your problem and deal with it.
"He's had accounts that he said weren't his when they were...would he tell you that he has false accounts on another site that he supposedly hates/doesn't care for? No...especially not on his own site. Like he's going to ruin the image that he's so concerned with...he's got gobs of fans, why disappoint them? It wouldn't surprise me if he had an account at the nlsc, or more than one, but I doubt he does..."
Yeah and they're still not mines as people have been accusing me of. About the AWR Forum, things are going well there because you know why? People don't fight or argue about stupid things as this, I set up a poll for each patch I released so that people can vote on it on it if they want. They have their free right to do so and comment on it because I know they're not Tony or Alex wannabes. Also the polls are non-cheatable if for those people that thinks I'm voting for myself, sheesh. I also however try to keep my end of the bargain and stick with the rules set down for everyone. Everyone is treated equally as one, unlike here. Not to knock Andrew or Thug of their awesome work with the Forum and everything through the last few months but I really do feel you guys should start doing your job and not let things just slide out of proportions.
"I have an idea for you...try patching. Work on it for a month or so religiously, making faces and jerseys and so on, and then compare your work with Travis'. He's been doing this forever, but he hasn't improved. His front end graphics are great, jerseys are so so (Jowe's are better), and faces are average. Every once in a while he has a great face, but generally they look...well, they look like EA's with some more wrinkles to them."
LOL, I'm sure everyone would love to think that it is really that simple right Shane? Yeah I'm waiting for that, someone should take a month's worth of putting together some great patches and compare them to me, why me? My jerseys are "so so?" heh, alright, again that's your opinion. Jowe's are better? Another one of your opinions, I'm not saying mines are better but it is consist of my jersey textures. About quality since that's what you and others have been trying to compare me to, I'll show you guys something when I have time about quality. Just sit back and wait for it. Say what you feel like saying about my cyberface patches. Like I've said before, no matter how good of a work I put out, it will NEVER be better than the rest of those guys you put up there. Mainly because I'm hated by many, lol.
KOB MASTER
BUT... The last year, actualy over the last 2 years, a man called TONY HUML made the best quality patches for that game called NBA LIVE!!! He started with some nice cyberfaces for Live99, but made not that much. But then when Live 2001 appeared, *boom* the bomb exploded... He made tons of the best cyberfaces, jersey, shoes etc. ever made for live 2001"
Yeah, yeah, yeah..blah, blah, blah.. I said this before and I'll say it again, everyone has their own opinions and what they like, what they want to download for their game. Don't have to shove it all in my face, what's the point?
"And seriuosly, nothin' against good old Trav (I had contact once with him too)but, for sure, he has never had the skillz and never will have the skillz Tony, Alex, Gene, Dev, Steve, Rune and Bchogan have and had..."
Again, blah, blah, blah..
"he made it by puttin' that face on the regular AI fsh... that was all... it didn't really looked good..."
I made a Iverson face for you? I don't remember you nor do I remember making a Iverson face for anyone. I have made it clear before that I am NOT good in shoes, or cornrows BUT guys think that I am. So you put me down because I can't make those? Man at least I admit that I can't make those kind of stuff so why are you judging me by the things I can't do? You should also want to think about it first here, it's 2000, 3 years ago. There is room to improve on and you know that, I too need time to improve on that. Live 2000 graphics aren't as good as what they are now and so you shouldn't be judging my cyberfaces back then to them now. I really think I've improved on them by a lot (IMO).
"Just see Trav's Jermaine O'Neal, looks good on the first view... but it would be a good quality patch if he just hadn't put a Jermaine face on Dev's already existing fsh and cornrows... u get my point?
So you're putting my patch down just because I use ONE thing from another patcher? As Eric have pointed out, there are many other patchers out there that also uses stuff from others to better there patches. If you didn't notice, I did include correct/current headbands for him which I made. Like I said, I used one thing from him and his facial hair. Just this one patch and here you are making it such a big deal. So pretty much what you're saying is "others" are allowed to do that and I can't?
Isn't this a topic about a cyberface??? Yes it is... AND I'm JUST talkin' about cyberfaces. I know Trav is doin' good dornas etc. I've never said that his site is crap nor his add-ons neither his logos etc. I was talkin' about his cyberfaces, that's the specific section he's in my eyes (and in many others who got a kinda knowlegde about quality faces) untalented..."
So what's wrong with my Gary Payton cyberface? Comon, I can take your criticize, what's wrong with it? Yeah you like the banners and other addons and don't have a thing against it because of what? Cuz Tony and "others" have not even tried to make them so you have no arguments. Also I don't include custom bands and other accessories because I choose not to. You know full well if I wanted to I would make those and add them onto my face patches as well.
"Tony never took any rows and faces, whatever, from other patchers!!!!! About the shoes... I know that, why should he make some new ones which are already done sweetly by Nahk or anybody else..."
Yeah, sure sure man. I'm done arguing about using other patchers work. Tony uses Nahk's shoes and it's ok but when I use Vinlex's, Shane goes crazy like I never asked him for permission. I also said somewhere above that I don't like to use other work unless it's really neccessary so in my 6 years (as Shane put it), I used about 10 or less things from people. Don't know why you people just give me all this crap whenever I start using something which I don't do much.
"It's all about takin' someones work and makin' it NOT worse lookin'!!!!"
How am I making it more worst lookin'? Have you even check out the .fsh image I made? What do you really mean by making it worst lookin'? Do you mean that Dev's was perfect and that nobody else can make another Jermaine O'Neal cyberface? What's the problem with that? I see a billion Kobe Bryant cyberfaces out there and not much was said about that. You hardly see any Jermaine O'Neal face patches out there and when I make one, you start to cry about it being not as "good" as Dev's. I'm not saying it is better than his, that's what the people judge. I also made other faces out there that hasn't been patched yet, why don't you comment on that? I recently made an Adrian Griffin cyberface, well?
"Man, why the fuck are shoepatchers like Nahk and Mitch doin' shoes? Yeah, they WANT their shoes included in some great patches of Tony, Dev etc. For real, ask them..."
You should ask Shane that? I believe he was the one that was complaining when I was using Vinlex's shoes in my jersey patches (with permission).
To end this non-sense on a good note, if you don't know me that well yet, now you do. This is everything that should and has been put out on a plate for everyone. Shouldn't be anymore questions asked of me and what I feel about it. All I'm saying is I am trying to change and if you don't talk to me often on the forum (AWR Forum), or email me, that's your problem. What happened in the past should be kept in the past. People that still get bothered by whatever it is in the past should really get a life because I HAVE put it all aside. Later." quote Travis.....
..i shall call you... 'Travis_Stud12585'
"complimenting" him u say? i compliment everyone else too but u knw what? i DIDNT compliment his patches because people keep accusing me of being him..so i tend not to say a word because i knw its going to cause trouble like right now..so i'm trying to "convince" people that i'm not Travis? well maybe u should look at 9mm (Tony), and uk (Alex) and tell me otherwise..
, damn...
), listen up:
U just take the complete shoe and say: "Great shoe done by Nahk, haven't changed anything, looks awesome"... 
U get the point?? That's the reaon I was kinda upset about the Jermaine face, he made it worse lookin'... And I know that Dev used Tony's rows, but if u'd know a bit about Tony's rows, u would see that Dev made them thinner and that on the head there're more rows then 6 lines on Dev's RIP... and he did it EXCELENT with an awesome cyberface!!!! <- that's another point, HOW u do it...
