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Postby Dee4Three on Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:24 am

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Longshot here. Not sure how many people on here play or have played tennis video games, or how much interest actually exists.

I started playing tennis video games back in the early 90's with Super Tennis on the SNES, obviously we have come a long way since that point. I grew up watching Agassi, Sampras, and my favorite at the time Michael Chang. I'll never forget Chang taking Sampras the distance in an epic match, or Courier winning the US Open. Outside of basketball, tennis was the only other sport I played, and had a strong liking for.

Tennis video games have always been a niche market, it seems. The Top Spin series (2K), was the elite name in tennis video games in the 2000's. In fact, Top Spin 4 was an amazing game, I played it a ton. Virtua Tennis was very arcade, and didn't have any depth in comparison to Top Spin 4, no strategy really needed when playing. Tennis video gamers have been waiting for the next great tennis game to come out for years, as Top Spin 5 never came out. Two tennis games surfaced, one which is coming out today, and one which has already been out.

I don't want to discount Tennis Elbow for the PC, as I've played it a lot, and it's been modded so well by the Elbow community that it's a really fun game to play. However, it has some drawbacks. One being, the movement is quite stiff, and hitting low balls back pedaling gives the user an unforced error 100% of the time, which is unrealistic as professional tennis players pick those balls up all the time and hit them successfully. The net play is very weak and almost impossible, and the graphics are basically that of the mid to late 90's graphics. With that being said, it allowed for a multi-user career mode, and the mode was deep and fun. Tennis Elbow 4 won't be coming out until 2019.

Back to the two tennis games I am about to dive into. Tennis World Tour (Coming out today), and AO Tennis. These two game are interesting, because one features Nadal without Federer (AO Tennis) and the other features Federer without Nadal (TWT). The bonus for TWT is: It's coming out on PC, for Steam... I am pumped about this, as it will be heavily modded. Another bonus to TWT, is that some of the team that created this game also were part of the crew that created Top Spin 4, and you can see that in many of the animations, looks kind of top spin-ish. TWT has 30 professional players, and a DLC bonus pack for Agassi (1995) and McEnroe (1990), not the best versions of both players, but still. I may not even do the DLC because it's the PC version, and it will get modded.

A few drawbacks I can see from the gameplay videos is simple commentary (Very simple, like it might as well not be there) in TWT, and I didn't see any commentary in AO tennis. The graphics in AO tennis seem to be a tad better, but the players posture is hunched and the gameplay seems more arcade, while TWT looks smooth and more like real tennis.

TWT is going to be out on PS4, Switch, X1 and PC, while AO is out on PS4, X1 and Switch. I have not played either of these games, but wanted to see if anybody on here has.

I plan on going on Steam and buying TWT today.

NOTE: I just saw that AO International Tennis is PC compatible, but I did not see it on Steam. I'll be looking into this a little further. I still prefer the gameplay of TWT going by the videos.

Here is AO international Tennis

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Here is Tennis World Tour

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Re: Tennis Video Games (AO Tennis, Tennis World Tour, etc)

Postby [Q] on Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:06 am

Top Spin was a lot of fun back in the day. I played a bit of Super Tennis and Wii Sports too
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Re: Tennis Video Games (AO Tennis, Tennis World Tour, etc)

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:36 am

[Q] wrote:Top Spin was a lot of fun back in the day. I played a bit of Super Tennis and Wii Sports too


I wish Tennis games received the attention I believe they deserve (Like when Top Spin was around). Certainly was awesome for awhile.

Confirmed that AO Tennis is available on Steam, but it's getting crushed by people who play it and by reviewers. IGN killed it. I've heard its made some subtle improvements since release, though.

The face that TWT has some of the Top Spin team involved in the creation, makes it my choice. However, maybe if AO goes on sale I grab that as well.

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Re: Tennis Video Games (AO Tennis, Tennis World Tour, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:20 am

I haven't played a lot of tennis games, but I remember playing this one with my Dad on the Intellivision:

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Obviously primitive, but it was also pretty fun. There was also one I played on PC way back in the DOS era, I believe developed by Ocean (though I could be wrong about that). It wasn't too bad. I haven't really looked into any since then, though.
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Re: Tennis Video Games (AO Tennis, Tennis World Tour, etc)

Postby Dee4Three on Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:57 am

Andrew wrote:I haven't played a lot of tennis games, but I remember playing this one with my Dad on the Intellivision:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o9ZIRhAjLA[video]

Obviously primitive, but it was also pretty fun. There was also one I played on PC way back in the DOS era, I believe developed by Ocean (though I could be wrong about that). It wasn't too bad. I haven't really looked into any since then, though.


The simplicity is what make some of those past games great. It wasn't nitpicking about gameplay aspects, the games weren't over animated (obviously) it was about good clean fun, and competition.

By the way, AO international tennis is actually very good. Glad I didn't go by the reviews, just bought it and played about 5 matches.

IGN ripped it apart, and over half of what they said was not true. The game just has a harder learning curve than simple games like Virtua Tennis, you can tell the developers got some gameplay ideas from Tennis Elbow.

Honestly, the only real problems with this game is sometimes having some stiff animations, no commentary, and a slightly dead atmosphere. But, the pace of the ball, and the match in general, and even a lot of the authenticity with the players hits is actually really good.

I wonder if anybody will take the time to MOD it, I'm going to look at the game files to see if I can figure anything out.

I'll probably buy Tennis World Tour tomorrow for comparison.
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Re: Tennis Video Games (AO Tennis, Tennis World Tour, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:29 pm

I think to some extent it's probably been a tough sport to capture in video game form, but as you said, there's a big learning curve depending on the mechanics. The anticipation, the movement and positioning, and the timing required to return a volley or serve takes some practice, in reality or in the virtual world. Unlike team sports games, it's obviously one on one, and that requires the user to do a lot more work in that regard. I could see reviewers, particularly those not that familiar with tennis and/or tennis video games, scoring a game harshly out of frustration with their own inadequacy and nitpicking superficial details.
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Re: Tennis Video Games (AO Tennis, Tennis World Tour, etc)

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:20 am

Something amazing that AO international Tennis has, that every single sports game (And other games actually) should implement:

They have the most advanced create a player tool I have ever seen in a game, but that's not the amazing part. You can literally use a regular picture, and use that as your face. Let me explain.

The game comes with a folder that you can save a picture into (Face picture), you go to the create a player in the game and choose that picture, and put only the parts of that picture that you want onto the created players face. After completing your creation, you can just hit upload, and it will upload it to the community for anybody to download (Think TGsoGood's p;ayer DNA). Anybody can download the creations, takes two seconds.

I'll post screenshots later, but this has allowed the community to upload what look like game made players that were missing from the game, Like Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic, Gail Monfils, Andre Agassi (Bald), Andre Agassi (1990), Martina Hingis, Serena Williams, Venus Williams, Michael Chang, Pete Sampras, etc. Not only do they looks great, but the creators made them play like the real life counterpart, it's insane how accurate it is.

This game also allows custom venues and logos to be uploaded and downloaded. The game only has the AO license, but creators have already gone in and created Roland Garros, etc. The arenas are flawless, and adds amazing authenticity. These can be used in offline gameplay (Just like the faces). And, once you download these player creations, they become part of the player roster, which can be used to play with or against in career mode.

This game is criminally underrated!
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Postby Andrew on Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:43 am

Sounds like a more advanced version of the old Face in the Game feature that used to be in NBA Live. Very cool.
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Re: Tennis Video Games (AO Tennis, Tennis World Tour, etc)

Postby Pdub on Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:36 am

1 minute in of that first video and I don't like AO International. Nadal is just standing in no mans land, while the top player is presumably AI controlled, showing off bad AI as it forgets to move it's feet while staring at returns like . I like the aiming mechanic, though. The modding aspect sounds great, but it also sounds like it might get the game in trouble.

15 seconds into the match of the TWT video and I see Top Spin already. SlowThe commentary doesn't really add to the atmosphere and sounds like some random guy in the stands saying stuff with a microphone near him. Controls look heavily animation based and it looks like the game moves your player itself.

The big problem imho is all these big Tennis games coming out seem to be similar, while making small strides in gameplay or graphics. They don't provide the atmosphere that is needed and the gameplay to support it in the modern "nextgen" era for a simulation game. This seems to cause them to get old real quick. They might be better off having an arcade mode or building the game to be fun rather than simulating reality.

Just checked steam, and TWT is already %20 off two days after release. That is not a good sign. Mostly negative reviews.

Anyways, if either goes under 10 bucks I might consider it.
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Re: Tennis Video Games (AO Tennis, Tennis World Tour, etc)

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:17 am

Pdub wrote:1 minute in of that first video and I don't like AO International. Nadal is just standing in no mans land, while the top player is presumably AI controlled, showing off bad AI as it forgets to move it's feet while staring at returns like . I like the aiming mechanic, though. The modding aspect sounds great, but it also sounds like it might get the game in trouble.

15 seconds into the match of the TWT video and I see Top Spin already. SlowThe commentary doesn't really add to the atmosphere and sounds like some random guy in the stands saying stuff with a microphone near him. Controls look heavily animation based and it looks like the game moves your player itself.

The big problem imho is all these big Tennis games coming out seem to be similar, while making small strides in gameplay or graphics. They don't provide the atmosphere that is needed and the gameplay to support it in the modern "nextgen" era for a simulation game. This seems to cause them to get old real quick. They might be better off having an arcade mode or building the game to be fun rather than simulating reality.

Just checked steam, and TWT is already %20 off two days after release. That is not a good sign. Mostly negative reviews.

Anyways, if either goes under 10 bucks I might consider it.


Trust me, AO is MUCH better hands on. I'll be uploading videos, keep an eye out.

I am super picky when it comes to tennis video games, I despised Virtua Tennis. You may be able to see Top Spin 4 in TWT, but trust me when I tell you that it's not as great as it looks. The reason it's already discounted is because it was released without online playability, without doubles (Literally no doubles mode available), and the player you are controlling randomly hitting slices even when you don't push that button. Also, the game only comes with 10 player creations, and you can't change them. Not kidding, you literally only have 10 pre-created players to take into career mode and online (when available), imagine how that will work? No create a player function available at the moment.

When it comes to the on-court tennis, AO actually has more realistic ball speed and match pace, while TWT is slower than real life and sluggish on the controls. TWT suffers from over animation, where you don't feel like you have as much control. TWT and AO play entirely different, nothing similar about them other than being tennis video games. Keep this in mind as well, AO international Tennis has gone through numerous gameplay updates since that video, trust me when I tell you that the game plays and looks far better now. Again, keep an eye out for my videos. AO has also patched the audio, and the crowd reactions are much more realistic. The game is missing commentary, but that's it. I'd rather it miss having commentary, than John McEnroe saying the same 10 things (one liners that make no sense) through the entire match.

I paid $49.99 for AO, and I am getting every cent worth, I would have paid $60 for it.


Also, here is Tennis World Tours creators addressing the public after the really, really disappointing release. They did this public release June 12th (two days ago).


ONLINE UPDATE AND BEYOND




Tennis World Tour·Tuesday, June 12, 2018
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Greetings everyone,
Today marks the digital release of Tennis World Tour on Steam, so there's another platform on which you can claim the court.
Unfortunately, despite our best efforts, the online mode is not yet ready for release. At this stage we do not have a confirmed date. We're doing our best to release it as soon as possible, but the chance this will be before next week are very slim.
As soon as we know more details we will share them with you.
We’d also like to take this opportunity to address another topic:
Following an interview of Bigben CEO Alain Falc there has been a lot of discussion both from players and the press regarding the state of development of Tennis World Tour at launch.
The main purpose of the interview was to clarify the status of the game, following the initial criticism of the game at launch and thereafter. There were some misunderstandings during the interview and what Alain was trying to say was that a few weeks before release, the game was still missing 20% of its content. Eventually this lead to our decision to postpone the implementation of the online modes.
Developing games is a very long and complex process that takes a lot of resources, time and work. Common sense suggests that had the game only been 20% complete, you would have ended up with 3 stadiums, 4 or 5 different players and so on. The team at Breakpoint has been working on the game for the past 2 years and the 20% milestone was achieved a long time ago.
As for today, we are completely focused on improving the game and we would like to share our plans for upcoming patches and updates.
The next Update will focus on the following:
•3 online modes
◦Quick match
◦Private match
◦Ranked matches

•Improved grass courts
•Improved atmosphere during matches (i.e. commentator, crowd reaction)
•Bug fixes, such as the bug preventing coaches and agents to be swapped properly.
•Additionally for Switch and Xbox this will include previous bugfixes and improvements to bring them on par with PS4 and PC
Updates in the weeks following will focus on these topics:
•Adding tournaments in ranked online mode
•AI balancing (increasing unforced errors)
•Improvements to atmosphere around the court (both visuals and audio)
•Adding official outfits to career and adding alternative outfits for pro players
•Bugfixes and improvements based on your feedback
•Further reducing occasions of gaps between racket and ball
Additional content in the next few months:
•Adding doubles mode to the game
•Adding a weekly community challenge mode
•Adding slide animations on clay courts
•Improvements to the career mode
•Additional improvements to atmosphere
•General improvements based on your feedback and bugfixes


We know this launch hasn't been the smoothest, but we are absolutely committed to improving the game going forward.
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Re: Tennis Video Games (AO Tennis, Tennis World Tour, etc)

Postby Dee4Three on Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:30 am

I just took this video. I'm using Federer against Djokovic. Remember, these two are not in the default game, these are cyberfaces that were made using real photos of the players (Like we do in the modding community here). They play, and look like the real life counterparts, and the announcer says Federer and Djokovic.

You will see the improvement in sound/atmosphere, as well as the play on the court. This game isn't perfect, but it is certainly underrated and is suitable for this gen. That US Open venue, which is perfectly accurate, is also a community creation, as the game allows you to create your own venues, logos, and players using your own art.

I am playing on veteran here, and I have only had the game for a couple days, so I lose this one. But it gives you an idea of what the game has to offer.

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Postby shadowgrin on Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:01 am

announcer says Federer and Djokovic

Their names in the audio files or the audio is modded in too?

Like when you create a player in 2K with a common name or name already in the game the commentator will automatically say the created player's name.
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Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:37 am

shadowgrin wrote:
announcer says Federer and Djokovic

Their names in the audio files or the audio is modded in too?

Like when you create a player in 2K with a common name or name already in the game the commentator will automatically say the created player's name.


Not modded in, built in. I think Big Ant Studios knew exactly what they were doing, and they took some notes from Tennis Elbow. Why else would the game automatically say Djokovic, Federer, etc?

By the way, I have no Mods installed. That's all in game, downloadable content you are seeing. Pretty awesome.
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Postby sticky-fingers on Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:20 am

I stay on Final Match Tennis :mrgreen:
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Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:29 am

sticky-fingers wrote:I stay on Final Match Tennis :mrgreen:


Ha! I had to look that up. It was released in 1991, same year as Super Tennis.
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Postby sticky-fingers on Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:51 am

You play it, you love it, you beat it.
Then you discover the cheat code that unlock 5 more difficulty levels :cheeky:
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Postby Dee4Three on Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:56 am

sticky-fingers wrote:You play it, you love it, you beat it.
Then you discover the cheat code that unlock 5 more difficulty levels :cheeky:


That's what's great about so many of the older games. The hidden codes, whether it be related to difficulty, extra lives, or new characters.

I thought it was so cool back in the day when I found the mascot cheat codes for NBA Jam. I was able to ball out with the Hornets mascot, so fun.
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Postby sticky-fingers on Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:29 pm

Sorry about the slip, even it was not a joke.
Both games (AO and TWT) are "next gen" graphicly but in terms of gameplay, it seems miles away from my expectations.

About AO Tennis take a look on 1st video of this topic, Nadal on turf play half volleys inside the court :?

Tennis is all about footwork, and these games are shitty.
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Postby Dee4Three on Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:01 am

sticky-fingers wrote:Sorry about the slip, even it was not a joke.
Both games (AO and TWT) are "next gen" graphicly but in terms of gameplay, it seems miles away from my expectations.

About AO Tennis take a look on 1st video of this topic, Nadal on turf play half volleys inside the court :?

Tennis is all about footwork, and these games are shitty.


Let's get one thing straight, AO Tennis is not shitty. And you havn't played it. The first video is before like 10 patches. The movement is much improved.

And no, the graphics on TWT look like a port from mobile (Think Final Fantasy Type 0) they are not even close to the the graphics of AO. Not only the face graphics, but also the models and atmosphere. TWT is not visually on par with AO, but it can pass for this gen visually if the gameplay is sound. Which right now, it's not.

The tennis in AO is being enjoyed by a lot of people, I joined the Operation Sports forum and looked through the 30 some odd pages of feedback, over the last couple months a lot of people love it. And, my brother and I have now played over 20 hours of the game, and we know tennis. He loves it, I love it, and we have had epic matches. Basketball is my number one, but tennis is my number two, I've been following it since the early 90s. As stated prior, I'm very picky when it comes to Tennis video games.

No, it's not SHITTY. And for someone who hasn't played either game, and mentions the first video (first build) even after I said that it has gone through a ton of patching, that comment is uneducated and unfounded. Did you even pay attention to the rest of the dialogue? Or did you just make your comment after watching the first video?

What is up with people lately? "This player is trash" "this game is shit" "the graphics are shitty" "his supporting cast is trash" have we forgotten how to communicate?
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Re: Tennis Video Games (AO Tennis, Tennis World Tour, etc)

Postby sticky-fingers on Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:35 am

Why do you take everything so personnal ? My comment was not a personnal attack ?! :roll:

You're right I never play these games. But I've got eyes and you miss my comment about the gameplay on turf.
BTW the gameplay seems mostly the same on all surface...
IMO, AO tennis isnt a simulation and these videos don't make me want to buy the game.

So if I want to play tennis with fun, yeah, i go back to FMT ou ST. For simulation, I still dunno.
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Postby Dee4Three on Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:41 am

sticky-fingers wrote:Why do you take everything so personnal ? My comment was not a personnal attack ?! :roll:

You're right I never play these games. But I've got eyes and you miss my comment about the gameplay on turf.
IMO, AO tennis isnt a simulation and these videos don't make me want to buy the game.

So if I want to play tennis with fun, yeah, i go back to FMT ou ST. For simulation, I still dunno.


Ill upload more gameplay of the CURRENT build so you can have a better idea.

And I'm not taking it personal, I just expect more on the forum as far as communication. I gave a laundry list of reasons why I didn't enjoy 2K18, I gave a bunch of reasons why certain players/supporting casts are not trash, etc. People need to review content in its entirety, and form an educated opinion as opposed to just dismissing shit as trash, or garbage, or shitty. This is how shit goes down hill for companies sometimes, like Live 18. Live 18 was a good basketball game, but it was automatically dismissed by many who just watched a gameplay video, or picked it up and played for 5 minutes, as trash, or shitty. I come to the NLSC to talk about topics on a FORUM, not to read comments from people like it's comments on Twitter or a YouTube video. Go through Youtube videos of NBA Live gameplay when it first came out, it's mostly one liners like "still looks like trash". Let's be better than that.
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Postby Dee4Three on Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:06 pm

Here is AO International Tennis in it's current build.

This is a match between me (Roger Federer) and my brother using Novak Djokovic. We are playing on the hardest level (Legend). Hitting shots has a much smaller margin for error. He is on the top of the screen the whole match, I am on the bottom. Federer and Djokovic were downloaded from the community (Player DNA-esque). Both of these faces are scanned faces using the PlayFace technology in the game. The venue is also custom. AO international Tennis did what 2K should allow users to do, use custom venues/logos in offline mode. As many as you was, as well. I have about 80 players downloaded and over a dozen venues.

A couple things to clear up:

1. This game IS simulation, it is the exact opposite of a Virtua Tennis type game. In Virtua Tennis, it was basically impossible to hit it out, and serving was pointless, it also didn't have a career mode. This game takes a lot of strategy, and it's easy to hit it out if you are not focused. My goal in this match was to make Djokovic come to the net often, as he is not a great net player. I succeeded by hitting many shots short, and using drop shots when he was deep baseline. This game is the epitome of simulation tennis.

2. This game is NOT shitty, it also doesn't look shitty. The graphics are perfectly acceptable for this gen, the game is stunning. While sometimes herky jerky movements occur, it doesn't destroy the gameplay. The game overall plays smooth, and plays like REAL tennis.

3. I recorded and posted this match in 1080p@60Fps, if IE doesn't allow you to view it that way, use Firefox. I know my IE sometimes won't allow it. You will get a good idea of how smooth this game is.


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Not only does it take strategy, but you can challenge points as well. It has deep customization that you can take right into career mode, it has a competition mode, it has online play, etc. Honestly, it gets me heated when I see people dismiss games that they either:

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I recommend this game highly to those who love tennis, and want a simulation tennis game. And the deep customization is just the icing on the cake.
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Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:23 pm

So, I've been racking my brain, and I have a feeling this was the DOS tennis game I played back in the day:

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If not, it's very similar to the one I played. It's not Ocean Software, so I'm not sure why that came to mind, except perhaps that they did release a fair few PC games (ports in particular) back in the day. The first person view was pretty cool for the time, but it definitely was difficult, especially when it came to positioning and perspective.
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Postby Dee4Three on Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:11 pm

Not bad for its time!

However, hard to execute. Camera jumping around is annoying. Interesting idea, though.
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Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:48 pm

That was definitely a problem: knowing where you were, positioning yourself accordingly, and timing the hits. Probably a bit too ambitious, but commendable all the same.

With AO and other more modern tennis games, is there any automatic positioning or correction? Either way, it looks a lot easier to handle from that camera angle than a first person perspective.
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Postby sticky-fingers on Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:21 pm

Dee4Three wrote:Here is AO International Tennis in it's current build.
....

We are playing on the hardest level (Legend).

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This game is NOT shitty, it also doesn't look shitty


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Thanks for the video but I repeat what I said.

You're playing on turf. IMO Your brother plays so many half volleys (just after the rebound - i'm not sure about the word in english) :cheeky:
In the same game, both of you play a ball between the legs :cheeky:
Seriously.

I also check other videos. Ball rebound looks the same on Roland Garros :shock:

BTW, i check my favorite independant review that i trust : 4/10 :cheeky:
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Postby Dee4Three on Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:30 am

Sticky, have you played the game?

You are going to rate the game 4/10 without even playing it?

And stop with the raised eyebrows faces, it's childish. You are not being "sly", or "cute", you are being sarcastic and petty. This is super annoying.

Because a few between the legs shots exists, half volleys happen, and you think the surfaces play the same, you give it a 4/10 even without playing it, and continue to call it shit? Real good review. FYI - sliding happens on Clay, and the ball speed is adjustable in the settings if somebody wants to customize. But, you wouldn't know that unless you tried the game.

Anybody else who has the game or atleast tried it, or doesn't have alterior motives want to comment on the game? Maybe somebody who can also comment on what they like, and don't like?
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Postby Dee4Three on Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:35 am

Andrew wrote:That was definitely a problem: knowing where you were, positioning yourself accordingly, and timing the hits. Probably a bit too ambitious, but commendable all the same.

With AO and other more modern tennis games, is there any automatic positioning or correction? Either way, it looks a lot easier to handle from that camera angle than a first person perspective.


Auto positioning meaning: like move you to the ball? Not exactly. But if you are running in the balls direction and hit one if the many hit buttons, your player will continue to run towards the ball while the hit meter shows up. In AO, this works great, however they need to tweak it slightly. The player sometimes does a faster than realistic transfer to the spot.

When is the last time you played a tennis game, Andrew? Ever been a fan?
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Yeah, I meant moving you to the ball, like Defensive Assist in Live/2K, or some of the similar mechanics in driving games that help you stay on track (usually on easier difficulty levels and training modes). Fair enough they don't go to that length though, it'd probably make things too cheap and easy.

Aside from dusting off Intellieivion Tennis with my Dad a few years back, I probably haven't played a tennis game since that one in the mid 90s. I like the sport OK, I don't really follow it or anything, but I am generally familiar with it and some of the big names. I've played it casually a few times over the years and for sport at school for a term way back in Year 6. As I said I played a couple of different video games back then as well, though I was never really any good at them (not much better than I was at the real sport, really), so I haven't sought them out since.
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Postby Dee4Three on Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:10 am

Andrew wrote:Yeah, I meant moving you to the ball, like Defensive Assist in Live/2K, or some of the similar mechanics in driving games that help you stay on track (usually on easier difficulty levels and training modes). Fair enough they don't go to that length though, it'd probably make things too cheap and easy.

Aside from dusting off Intellieivion Tennis with my Dad a few years back, I probably haven't played a tennis game since that one in the mid 90s. I like the sport OK, I don't really follow it or anything, but I am generally familiar with it and some of the big names. I've played it casually a few times over the years and for sport at school for a term way back in Year 6. As I said I played a couple of different video games back then as well, though I was never really any good at them (not much better than I was at the real sport, really), so I haven't sought them out since.


Never too late to try the newer ones! Tennis World Tour has a demo you can download on PS4 if you wanted to give it a try, albeit it doesn't feel as good as AO right now.

I was kind of like that with racing games, I played quite a few of them growing up (not just cars, but games like Uniracers, kart games, etc). That fell off in the 90s, havn't played them since. We certainly have to prioritize differently as we get older, which I think that's the biggest culprit. I also think out tastes are more defined as we get older.
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Postby sticky-fingers on Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:53 am

Dee4Three wrote:You are going to rate the game 4/10 without even playing it?


sorry, my favorite (french) independant revue reviewed it and gave 4/10

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And stop with the raised eyebrows faces, it's childish. You are not being "sly", or "cute", you are being sarcastic and petty. This is super annoying.?


Thats the point :cheeky:
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sticky-fingers wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:You are going to rate the game 4/10 without even playing it?


sorry, my favorite (french) independant revue reviewed it and gave 4/10

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And stop with the raised eyebrows faces, it's childish. You are not being "sly", or "cute", you are being sarcastic and petty. This is super annoying.?


Thats the point :cheeky:


That's flaming, and pointless. The only reason to do that is to cause problems, so cut it out.

And what time is that review from? What month? And, you are going to let the reviewers tell you what to like and what not to like? What about making up your own mind?

Unless of course, you are continuing to flame and that favorite independent french review is that of your own. Would not be surprised considering the direction you have taken since joining this thread.
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Postby sticky-fingers on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:17 am

Not everyone can agree with you and share your feelings, on this forum or elsewhere.

When I make arguments about unrealistic gameplays, you answer by personnal attacks (stop this thing, make your own opinion...).
Tennis on turf is very particular. When I watch a video of AOT, it doesnt look realistic to me. Same thing on clay where the ball should be slower and reboung higher.
So I dont need to play the game, i've got eyes, i also played tennis much more than bball btw :cheeky: (sarcastic smiley)

Review was out this this month in CanardPC revue : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canard_PC Is it enough independant for you ? :cheeky: (sarcastic smiley)
In fact, I watched your videos first, I wasn't thrilled. i also watched other videos, same feeling. Then i read the review of CanardPC yesterday evening.
So no one making my own mind, much less you :roll:
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Postby Dee4Three on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:24 am

sticky-fingers wrote:Not everyone can agree with you and share your feelings, on this forum or elsewhere.

When I make arguments about unrealistic gameplays, you answer by personnal attacks (stop this thing, make your own opinion...).
Tennis on turf is very particular. When I watch a video of AOT, it doesnt look realistic to me. Same thing on clay where the ball should be slower and reboung higher.
So I dont need to play the game, i've got eyes, i also played tennis much more than bball btw :cheeky: (sarcastic smiley)

Review was out this this month in CanardPC revue : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canard_PC Is it enough independant for you ? :cheeky: (sarcastic smiley)
In fact, I watched your videos first, I wasn't thrilled. i also watched other videos, same feeling. Then i read the review of CanardPC yesterday evening.
So no one making my own mind, much less you :roll:


You have no hands on experience with AO. Therefore, you can't rate it a 4/10 overall.

Not expecting everybody to agree with me, but I expect a constructive conversation. Which, with the sarcasm present, and a rating given by someone who hasn't played it at all, ruins that conversation. The game has flaws, but to call it shit, and state that it fails at simulation, is not accurate.

I agree that the balls bounce could use some tweaking on certain surfaces. Maybe they will patch that in, I've already sent a long email to the company. Do you plan on doing the same? Are you going to send an email to the company with your ideas? Or, do you not care to? If not, why are you on this thread commenting?

If you are here to be sarcastic, flame, call the game shit without trying it, and if you don't plan on trying it or having a constructive conversation, get out.

I don't need this in every thread that I start, what you are doing is petty and childish. Grow up.
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Postby sticky-fingers on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:33 am

I dont rate it 4/10, CanardPC did it !!!
BTW, Steam reviews are mixed so 4/10 or 5/10 what a huge difference ! :cheeky:

So for you, AOT is realistic when ball's rebound and speed are the same on turf and on clay ?! :crazyeyes:

Once again, you answered by personnal attack.

A constructive conversation needs answers to my gameplay observations.
Same thing on 2K18, we cant debate with you when we dont share your opinion.
I dont need a crazy guy on a gaming forum ask me to grow up ; as you say to someone else here : FUCK OFF :cheeky:
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Postby Dee4Three on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:39 am

sticky-fingers wrote:I dont rate it 4/10, CanardPC did it !!!

So for you, AOT is realistic when ball's rebound and speed are the same on turf and on clay ?! :crazyeyes:

Once again, you answered by personnal attack.

A constructive conversation needs answers to my gameplay observations.
Same thing on 2K18, we cant debate with you when we dont share your opinion.
I dont need a crazy guy on a gaming forum ask me to grow up ; as you say someone else here : FUCK OFF :cheeky:



I said it has some tweaks it needs to make, but it's a tennis simulation, and not a shit one. It has a lot of other good qualities. The pace feels different on different surfaces, but not as it should, and the ball should bounce a bit more realistically.

Also, FYI - you started it in here with your sarcasm, and claiming a game was shitty when you havn't even played it. Don't start shit with me (like on the other thread where shit was started with me), and after act like it was my fault.

Get out of this thread and stop spoiling it, the fuck off mantra is coming from both of us now. I started this thread, I will continue to be in here. So, I ask you, please exit this thread so I can talk with people who actually want to talk about the pros and cons of this game and other tennis games, people who may want to give feedback to the developers, and people who have a general interest in keeping things realistic and civil
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Postby sticky-fingers on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:43 am

Dee4Three wrote:Nice try. You originally said that you give it 4/10, after said that a review site gave it 4/10.

No i give it "shitty"
You're totally paranoid :shock: if you think i lie, take a subscription, read their review... i'm pretty sure you are capable of it :lol:

If you want more explanation i can quote myself and correct :
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Postby Dee4Three on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:51 am

sticky-fingers wrote:
Dee4Three wrote:Nice try. You originally said that you give it 4/10, after said that a review site gave it 4/10.

No i give it "shitty"
You're totally paranoid :shock: if you think i lie, take a subscription, read their review... i'm pretty sure you are capable of it :lol:

And again, no answer about gameplay


Are you insane? First off, i removed that sentence because I realized you caller it shitty and not 4/10, but... what's the difference? Christ, shitty could be a 1/10.

I DID say that those gameplay areas need tweaking! The gameplay is not perfect, but it's good. The use of strategy is key in this game, a user must use all shots at his disposal. The game moves well side to side, it can create epic points (or just played online and had a bunch of amazing points with a user), the serving is realistic and can impact the match, the players attributes actually matter.

The game could work on: Players sometimes being transferred to the ball, sometimes having unnatural lunges/slams, ball bouncing more realistic with the type of court.

It has amazing qualities, and still some work to do. Someone who has played it now for well over 30 hours , I give it a 7/10 at the moment. With some tweaks, that could be an 8 or 9.

I literally agreed with you about the ball bouncing on different surfaces needing to be tweaked, I am not blind to the faults in games, I freely admit that this game has tweaks that need to happen.

Now if you want to keep it civil, please continue with the discussion. If not possible, please leave. Don't bring in sarcasm, and an attitude based off of a conversation I had in the 2K18 section, and lash out at me.
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i've edited :cheeky:
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If you're just going to troll and push buttons, or simply not debate and discuss in good faith, kindly stop. It just ruins topics for everyone else.
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