Dee4Three wrote:You think these people will buy? Or give the game a chance? No. The problem is not just the feel that people talk about, it's the visuals as well. The way the players move around the court. You can't get more people to try the game, if people think the gameplay looks out of whack and wont even buy the game or try the demo. People are viewing this game on youtube by the thousands, and a good majority are turned off because of the way the gameplay looks.
"This gameplay look jus like that it came from Nba Live Mobile app i downloaded"
"Thats why EA wont let 2k make a football game. THEY KNOW 2K GOING TO MAKE MADDEN LOOK TRASH LIKE THIS!!"
"Lol it looks like it plays like an arcade game"
"You lame ass Live fanboys need to stop defending this piece of shit game. It's shitty!"
"2 years and this is what they came up with?"
"Body models, movement, gameplay all looks like SHIT. I can't believe EA still can't get it together, just give up....honestly"
"You are so damn right.the movement body models...remind me of fifa 17,its the same awful shit omfgg cant believe how bad ea are"
"haha look shit , its look like playing phone graphics
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"This gameplay is always stiff when is it going to play and feel fluid like 2k?"
"Even if this game was $5 I'm still not buying it. Why would I spend time playing a shitty ass game?"
"I wouldnt play this shit for free"
These quoted comments actually only make the point that there are a lot of 2k fan boys running around ready to hate on anything that isnt 2k. They dont want another option. They only want 2k to be successful. If they another game does anything as good as or better than 2k, they start to feel threatened on a personal level. So they will go out of their way to test out a game they know they will hate just to hate on it and report back to the internets about how much they think the game sucks. not being honest that they went into it assuming the game would suck and hoping it would suck because they are 2k fanboys. there's a difference between liking a game for what it does right vs being a fan boy. I play with a fanboy all the time. He told me just last night "I dont care what Live does.. It will never be good." That type of logic is flawed and its false. If they did the right things. it could catch up to 2k and actually surpass it. People forget. LIve was the #1 basketball game for YEARSSSSSS. And it was the #1 game when there were 2+ other options at the time. 2k is #1 among not much competition. You could say they got rid of their comp by being so good or we can say the comp just died down and there is no real money in trying to infiltrate the bball video game market as a 2nd or 3rd option.
Those quotes are from people just like the guy i play with. No matter what live produced, they would STILL swear it was terrible. Just on the strength it was not 2k. if you took off the live cover and replaced it with 2k. they would swear it was ground breaking.
Just like people talked about how groundbreaking the shooting and layup control for 2k17 with the meter for both. and how the direction you moved it in made a difference. all the 2k fans that hated nba elite 11 for implementing that very same setup on the controls. loved it with 2k17 just because 2k did it. There are certain critics that are legit and are not a hate message.
But while you're finding those quotes. I also found these.
View Poll Results: After Playing the Demo, Where Are You At?
Definitely Buying 103 43.28%
Leaning Towards Buying 67 28.15%
Leaning Towards Not Buying 34 14.29%
Definitely Not Buying 34 14.29%
^That's a polls someone put it on another site. And this site is by far a PRO 2K site. this site is known for banning people who talk about 2k's flaws a bit to harshly since their devs are always on that board lurking around for information on what the people would like to see in their game.
Thats rag doll physics in the game. not a canned animation. only physics like that would allow for rose's arm to go over and around curry's arm like that. in 2k that arm would've miraculously blocked the ball with its forearm or it would've gone THRU curry's body for a no call.
Look at old man matt barnes at venice beach. looks just like him.
I posted this video here already. but I'll post it again. These are people posting these polls, videos, images. They think live is more realistic in some aspects.
watch this video
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/CWBz%20Buckeye/video/35326437^^^not mines another guy from another forum talking about how realistic nba live is. Watch it from the 00:15 second mark til the end. Watch that Live loose ball after I think klay tips it.
That can't happen in 2k right now. If that pass is tipped that far out. your guy will chase after it. and depending on badges, etc. some guy will dive on the ground possibly sliding a mile to pick it up even though you were closer to it but 2k will not allow you to pick it up in that scenario's sequence depending on guys badges that are somewhat close to you. not closer to the ball. but close to you. a live loose ball makes any game more realistic.
here's some other guys comments talking about the realism and what he likes vs 2k.
Some guys gettin a bit ruffled in here but anyways.. Lets get back on track.
For me, there is definitely some areas Live is excelling in, I don't know if its realism or just another representation, or even if its just that they are doing things differently and im so used to the other game.
I've gone back and compared and played same teams similar settings a few times now just to see if its my mind playing tricks on me but each time ive come out feeling there are areas where Live wins and obviously areas where the reigning champ wins.
Some areas im loving in Live:
Fluidity of fast breaks - both user and cpu, as well as the way guys kick to the corner 3 on the break and the way they play their lanes properly.
Not Getting Bumped as much when sprinting - Everyone knows that 2k stalwart of getting freaking bumped almost every fast break. I love that in Live it is mostly gone and i can actually get out and RUN with guys.
Superstars are Scary - Guys in Live like Lebron/Steph give me some fear playing against them as they are as unstoppable as they should be. And the other way round when playing with them i feel like im playing with an NBA superstar, borderline unstoppable until the Help D (correctly) rotates over etc.. Its night and day.
Auto Fouls In The Paint Don't Exist - Probably from hundreds of hours in 2K but there are some areas where if you go in the paint and try shoot it does that stupid foul animation every time. So glad this hasn't shown up in Live yet..
Those are a few of the thing im finding more "realistic" i guess. As a huge 2K fan i can't wait to see what they come up with but damn its good to see whats going on over here.
and another person
I appreciate the back and forth but after this last comment you have lost some credibility man. The fast breaks in this game are a million times better than the other game, especially since the update. The AI is just great and you might not be seeing the play develop quickly enough but they always happen organically and it never feels BS. I get so many quick hitters for transition 3s, or occasional steals for Lebron hammers it just feels so real. In the other game it is a literal bs forced fast break half of every play because your center refuses to run back fast enough or your pg decides to wonder off the side of the court instead of picking up his man or the player that gets back first just runs straight underneath the basket and plant there no matter who is coming down on the break. I can't even fathom your comparison in this regard. I didn't even mention how when you are out ahead of the break literally any player on the court has the ability to run you down and magically stop/slow you up from some magical force field.
For all this running right through players you talk about I see very little evidence of clipping, way less than that other game where the ball is routinely passing through someone's limb and even torso at times. The ball might not be very tangible and you have a point there but the game does a great job of interactions so I don't even notice that as a problem right now and I play this thing like crazy. However you can steal the ball when it mimics real world situation frequently. Such as running up on a player from behind and pushing the steal on the ball side will poke it loose. Or if they cross to the side your on into you while you push steal with a good defender you will get the pick. It actually feels quite natural. I still think you are arguing here way more than playing this or 2k for that matter with this last post.
and this last back and forth between two posters. but remember what I said about live even when it might not look as good some of us would rather be free than look cute. if we had to choose between the two. obviously we would like both pretty and freedom.
watch this video and then read the comments. I'm with the other guy. this is your fault as the player for not choose the right move after you crossed curry over. you hesitated. and I bet you I know why. you're so use to 2k over dribbling mechanics to blow by guys or get that ankle breaker animation to hit your defender. that you over dribble and over do the move. you cross guys up and keep doing moves when you should just cross and bam go. stop touching the right stick completely.
https://streamable.com/y48ml Quote:
Originally Posted Do instances like this happen on levels below superstar?
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Response Post im not refuting the "sucked in animation" claim, but it looks like kyrie couldve blown by him on that last long cross right but hesitated and allowed curry to reposition?
i do see the "canned" stuff more against the AI than playing against humans. but i feel like i can break out of them. doesnt mean it will look pretty but i dont feel trapped