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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:47 am

It's like the old saying goes. Organisations qualify for the Playoffs!

It's a shame that it's a feather in his cap, but since he wasn't going to lose his job anyway, at least there's the dignity of a token postseason appearance in a season that appeared to be headed for complete disaster. Not so much a silver lining as an aluminium one, of course.

I wonder what, if anything, they have planned for the future.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:29 am

Lol well said

What do you think they will do??
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:47 am

Depressingly, pretty much any unwise move we could think up seems feasible. That, or sitting on their hands and doing absolutely nothing, because they made the Playoffs, which means it's all going to plan!

I think they'll pick up Rondo's option, unless he makes it clear that he wants out and will be a surly malcontent if he's kept around. I also think that at this stage Wade is going to opt in, as it's a lot of money to leave on the table, so they'll have him by default. I'd like to think they'll pursue someone like Jrue Holiday, either to replace Rondo completely, or relegate him to the bench permanently. Sadly, I think it's more likely that they target someone who is overrated, or miss out on a significant free agent signing altogether.

Since we're getting more into the territory of what they should do, I've been thinking about that. I'm really liking your suggestion of bringing in Derrick Favors, someone who is already pretty solid, but is still young and has a lot of potential that he could realise, given the opportunity. In terms of more established players, again I'm in favour of pursuing Jrue Holiday. On paper, they're not major coups like the Heat getting LeBron (and then the Cavs getting him back), or the Warriors getting Durant, or the Lakers getting Shaq back in the day. They would be solid moves though, improving the roster and addressing deficiencies. If there are any affordable long range specialists on the market, they'd be a wise investment as well.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz on Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:37 pm

Only worth keeping outside of Butler, and perhaps RoLo, is Zipser. I reckon having a pick and pop bigman (ala Pau Gasol) is a better option to pair up with Butler instead of another wing. He loves eating up most of the possessions. Or perhaps just pick up a non ball dominant wing and pick one between Joe Ingles, James Johnson, or PJ Tucker. It would be awesome if they can nab Otto Porter but he'll be pricy and surely the Wizards will not let him go. Will you lot like it if they'll pursue Paul Millsap (fuck Blake Griffin)? It'll be good if they can pick up Jrue Holiday but it seems they will probably keep Rondo.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:52 pm

At this point, I'd probably prefer Millsap to Griffin, but it'd also be another signing that's a few years past being a great pick-up.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:53 pm

With credit to Valor for the heads up on the article: Gar Forman, John Paxson deserve most blame in lost Bulls' season

It's a great summary of the situation. Apparently, ESPN didn't fire all of their last good writers after all.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:26 am

Andrew wrote:With credit to Valor for the heads up on the article: Gar Forman, John Paxson deserve most blame in lost Bulls' season

It's a great summary of the situation. Apparently, ESPN didn't fire all of their last good writers after all.

Cheers :chug:

I find the final paragraph of this article to be most illuminating...

The difference between last season and the present is that fans seem to be angrier than ever at the lack of direction from within the organization. Stories of longtime season-ticket holders stopping their payments are popping up all the time. The money and loyalty that the Bulls have counted on for decades isn't as Teflon strong as it used to be. There's enough blame to go around throughout the organization after this season, but fans should make sure that Forman and Paxson take the brunt of it.


Although I don't live in Chicago and thus am not a "longtime season ticket holder" as described, like many of you here I have been a Bulls fan for more than two decades and we've all been through some (okay, a lot since 98) shit times. This has been the first season when I said fuck it I'm not watching Bulls games (well, until the playoffs anyways), not buying the Bulls league pass, and not wearing their apparel out of protest.

This organisation run by GarPax has turned into a running joke around the league and sunk as low as the Kings and Sixers and it's enough. We need to hold their asses accountable somehow and I am really fucking glad that the fans in Chicago are doing something about it at last. Is it going to be enough to force Reinsdorf to finally fire a guy in management (something he never does, whether it's the White Sox or the Bulls)? Prob not, but at least GarPax is being called out for it at last.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:49 am

Considering how loyal the fanbase has been, through all the ups and downs, I hope it will send a message. Obviously, there's not a whole lot fans like you and I can do on this side of the world, except make a symbolic gesture that results in some degree of personal catharsis, but it's good to see some sort of rebellion from fans who are in a position to make a statement with their wallets.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Valor on Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:52 am

Andrew wrote:Considering how loyal the fanbase has been, through all the ups and downs, I hope it will send a message. Obviously, there's not a whole lot fans like you and I can do on this side of the world, except make a symbolic gesture that results in some degree of personal catharsis, but it's good to see some sort of rebellion from fans who are in a position to make a statement with their wallets.

For sure, those fans who are living in Chicago hold all the power and yeah hopefully half empty arenas would force Reinsdorf to do something at last.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:04 am

MozTheBoz wrote:Only worth keeping outside of Butler, and perhaps RoLo, is Zipser. I reckon having a pick and pop bigman (ala Pau Gasol) is a better option to pair up with Butler instead of another wing. He loves eating up most of the possessions. Or perhaps just pick up a non ball dominant wing and pick one between Joe Ingles, James Johnson, or PJ Tucker. It would be awesome if they can nab Otto Porter but he'll be pricy and surely the Wizards will not let him go. Will you lot like it if they'll pursue Paul Millsap (fuck Blake Griffin)? It'll be good if they can pick up Jrue Holiday but it seems they will probably keep Rondo.

way to stay strong on your protest against the bulls...

last thought on the celts series- 100% agree if the bulls had taj they win the series. stevens adjustment of small ball goes down the toilet since taj can defend high pick n roll and would punish green or whatever smallish forward the celts had. but time to let that boat sail

what to do in the offseason? really im beaten down by crappy management moves. fun to talk about cp3, griffin, etc but its all hypothetical. its unlikely to happen

i dont even know if its worth posting in this thread anymore tbh if its just going to be anger and frustration. props to playoff playoff rondo showing up for 2 games but if its still the 3 alphas back next year its going to be more of the same headaches again. but hey at least theres the lakers, kings knicks to make us feel better about ourselves

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Andrew wrote:For sure, those fans who are living in Chicago hold all the power and yeah hopefully half empty arenas would force Reinsdorf to do something at last.

i heard the UC wasn't half full yesterday. and if a media monster like ESPN can get hit in the pocket, a cash cow like the bulls can too
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz on Wed May 03, 2017 6:45 pm

air gordon wrote:way to stay strong on your protest against the bulls...

You never know perhaps Paxson is pissed with Forman and he put some GM power on Butler that's why they had this exclusive exit meeting with him.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed May 03, 2017 7:25 pm

Either that, or Paxson asked him if he'd be open to a trade to Minnesota for a bag of peanuts.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu May 04, 2017 1:46 am

Good times ahead. The management press conference is coming up 11am CST
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu May 04, 2017 7:33 am

Hats off to the management. They have mastered the art of answering questions without answering questions

Even now they think they can develop 10 young players and expect to compete.

Only they could make Hoiberg a sympathetic character

Surprised to see them point the finger at Hoiberg for not developing the trash young players on the roster

Sorry. Looks like more of the same for next year
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu May 04, 2017 10:13 am

More Hoiberg, more Rondo, more of the same. It mightn't be so bad if it's Playoffs Rondo, but it seems like that's asking too much over the course of an entire season. In all fairness, I suppose that is kind of hard to achieve when your role constantly changes, and you're racking up DNP-CDs.

Anyway, here's hoping they can do something in free agency. Again, I'd prefer shrewd moves to supposedly spectacular ones, or nabbing players that would've been great signings five years ago.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu May 04, 2017 10:25 am

I'll let Brian Griffin express my feelings on that trade.

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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu May 04, 2017 11:29 am

If rondo and Wade are back, it does cut significantly into what they can do in free agency

Also Niko will come back barring some crazy contract offer and it makes sense to bring back felecio.

Cap guys could check this but I think that leaves them in the neighborhood of $10million to throw at a fa.

Btw I think it's hilarious that pax was ripping Niko for playing for Spain in the summer, citing it kept him from working out with the team while butler was doing the same thing for team USA
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu May 04, 2017 11:39 am

air gordon wrote:Btw I think it's hilarious that pax was ripping Niko for playing for Spain in the summer, citing it kept him from working out with the team while butler was doing the same thing for team USA


Are you saying Butler shouldn't represent the Good Ol' US of A, comrade? :scold:

But yeah, that's ridiculously hypocritical. Spouting nonsense is what GarPax do best though, and they do it very well.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz on Thu May 04, 2017 12:58 pm

air gordon wrote:If rondo and Wade are back, it does cut significantly into what they can do in free agency

Also Niko will come back barring some crazy contract offer and it makes sense to bring back felecio.

Cap guys could check this but I think that leaves them in the neighborhood of $10million to throw at a fa.

Forman is expecting that there will be another significant spike on the salary cap so perhaps that's the reason he's confident that they can bring most of them back while assuming getting another serviceable player in the market. They didn't commit that Wade will be back but Rondo will sure be. He's the reason why they will not shake things up and fire Hoiberg. Meaning a backup PG, and not frontcourt depth, is still the priority to assure he'll be healthy all-through out... Blame that 2-0 lead against Boston it make them think that this team is competitive. I reckon Niko is not a sure in re-signee with Paxson, as you mentioned, criticizing his national team commitments and of his constant uttering of the word "inconsistency" in this press conference.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Thu May 04, 2017 1:42 pm

Too bad it's Wade who has the option instead of the team.

Would they really add another pg after all the talking up of Payne? How pathetic it sounded when pax said he needs to get in shape

Bulls did get a trade exception from the Gibson deal btw
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu May 04, 2017 1:49 pm

Unless they're completely delusional, they don't have a choice but to shore up the point guard rotation as much as they're able. Payne's demotion to the D-League and their performance after Rondo's injury speak for themselves. Then again, I don't think it would surprise any of us if GarPax weren't listening.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Moz on Thu May 04, 2017 2:06 pm

air gordon wrote:Would they really add another pg after all the talking up of Payne?

They did that with Grant and yet they still added MCW and Payne so perhaps they'll get rid of MCW and then sign another one.
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat May 06, 2017 2:27 am

yeah mcw was a why not move since they were getting rid of snell. lol and they still lost that trade. i agree mcw is gone.

so rondo, grant, payne, and another PG (via draft or FA)? this is just more shit show business. get a young, modern era pg, please garpax. it's cant be that hard

what position is valentine anyway?
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Re: Chicago Bulls Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat May 06, 2017 10:54 am

Agreed on the MCW trade. It's not like Snell has turned into a star either, and it was probably a situation where he wasn't going to be consistently productive until he went somewhere else. Worth a try.

Looks like Valentine's been listed as a shooting guard. If he can knock down shots more consistently, especially from range, he could be solid off the bench. It seems safe to say he doesn't have the speed to play point guard in the NBA, though.

Had a look at a couple of mock drafts at NBADraft.net and DraftExpress. NBADraft.net has the Bulls taking Ivan Rabb, a slender PF/C who apparently isn't particularly strong and lacks a wide array of post moves, but is athletic and can block shots. He apparently isn't really suitable for "positionless basketball", which is going to be a problem in the NBA these days. DraftExpress has them taking John Collins, a power forward who also lacks some versatility in terms of being able to play centre in a small ball lineup, but he seems to be more polished offensively. It also seems like he's a bit of a sloppy defender, though.

Neither site has outstanding point guards left on the board at the Bulls' pick, so someone would really have to slip for them to get a quality player at that position. Jawun Evans seems to be the one that's going the highest, either late first round or early second round. He's a good distributor and plays bigger than his size, but he's under six foot, not a great athlete, and not a huge three-point threat, which doesn't address their needs. With that in mind, a solid big, or a swingman who can shoot from the outside. The latter also seems like a rarity at the Bulls' pick, though.

So that leaves free agency if they want to add any kind of significant player at point guard. As far as being a solid player and capable from range, Patty Mills is an unrestricted free agent. I'm guessing he'll probably re-up with the Spurs, or sign with someone who can offer him more money than the Bulls, but he might be in their price range and I think he'd be a good option (though there may be a little bias there). Jrue Holiday is the pipe dream, and unlikely now that Rondo's option has been picked up. There's George Hill, but he's already 31, so that isn't ideal.

Those are the moves they're looking at; not a whole lot of options, flexibility, suitability, or indeed, feasibility. Beyond that, they're hoping that Payne or Grant turn into something. Grant might be the more likely scenario there, but I'm not particularly confident either will happen, to say the least.
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