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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:53 am

They do have signature animations, but the amount pales in comparison to NBA 2K. I agree that it does contribute significantly to the authenticity and aesthetic appeal.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby StyxTx on Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:41 pm

Funny. All the games I've played and I never noticed shot animations, or shoes, or clothes, or jewelry, or ..........
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:54 pm

I wouldn't put signature moves and animations in the same category as player clothes and jewellery.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby StyxTx on Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:40 pm

Andrew wrote:I wouldn't put signature moves and animations in the same category as player clothes and jewellery.


I threw those in there because those are the most common complaints, by so many people, about what needs to be improved.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:58 pm

Either way, signature moves and animations are all part of authenticity, so it's not an unreasonable expectation.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Crunky on Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:53 am

It's the stiff animations that kill the gameplay I know they want to add the feeling of weight to the players but it's simply overdone where it feels like where controlling an 18Wheeler Truck.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Dee4Three on Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:29 am

Crunky wrote:It's the stiff animations that kill the gameplay I know they want to add the feeling of weight to the players but it's simply overdone where it feels like where controlling an 18Wheeler Truck.


Yes, it's the stiff, herky jerky robotic animations that truly kill the gameplay.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby StyxTx on Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:02 am

Crunky wrote:It's the stiff animations that kill the gameplay I know they want to add the feeling of weight to the players but it's simply overdone where it feels like where controlling an 18Wheeler Truck.


I definitely agree. I will go to play 2k after playing a game or two of The Show, and the 2k animations tend to cause me to quit the game in a matter of minutes. The comparison between the animations in the two games is like night and day. And before anyone says baseball animations are easier to do, 2k's baseball game was awful with the animations also, herky jerky and whatnot.

Of course, 2k's baseball game is dead now but that's what real good competition did to it. Now, if we can just get real good competition to 2k's basketball game....
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby [Q] on Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:06 am

But it's always been a question of Live's quick responsive animations vs 2K's long pretty animations that you get stuck in. One isn't better than the other but you need a good balance between the two
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:26 am

Responsiveness has also been a problem with NBA Live since the reboot with NBA Live 14. The game needs to look and feel better.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby [Q] on Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:35 pm

True, I meant more historically than currently. responsiveness wasn't too bad in 15 but it got worse and was a reason why I didn't get 16. I remember the spin move loading screen and attempting it but could never find the exact time where you would need to input that half circle. Could never get it doing random stick waggling either.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:31 pm

Absolutely. Actually, the funny thing is, back in the PS2 era I'd say NBA Live had better looking animations as well. There were some weird dunk and layup animations in the PS2 era NBA 2K games that don't hold up as well as some of NBA Live's animations from the same generation, and weird rim interactions. Weirdly, NBA Live's rim interactions are still a bit better than NBA 2K's as far as players gripping them on dunks, and when something looks good in NBA Live it does look quite good. Of course, there's a lot that currently does not look good, and the stuff that looks bad tends to look really bad.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Pdub on Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:47 pm

Somebody posted years ago about a theory they had regarding why NBA Live characters appeared stiff and robotic. They said it was due to the amount of motion capture balls on the performers back. They showed that 2K had 5 or 6 and covered the left and right part of the back and shoulder blades. NBA Live only had 3 or 4 motion capture balls going up the spine, iirc.

When you look at Live gameplay, focus on the player's torso. Doesn't it seem to remain straight most of the time? Could that be the reason Live animations appear stiff or robotic?
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:32 am

Definitely an interesting theory, I hadn't noticed that in various behind the scenes features. Seems plausible.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:54 am

After watching the 4 part series with the NBA 2K crew, I wonder where the EA Sports Live people are? I know the obvious, they are working on the game, but maybe a more personalized approach? Maybe a LIVE panel?
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:56 am

Perhaps it's something they'll look to do in the future, once the game is in better standing with the fanbase.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:58 am

Andrew wrote:Perhaps it's something they'll look to do in the future, once the game is in better standing with the fanbase.


That would help it be in better standing... it would prove they are listening to us..
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:01 am

Possibly. I could also see a lot of people saying "talk is cheap", though. After all, not everyone received the chat with the 2K guys warmly, and their games have been more successful.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Dee4Three on Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:03 am

True.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:18 am

I think EA are going to be careful with promotion and things like that, at least until they can get a game out that's well-received and they've won back a bigger portion of the userbase. They probably realise that at this point they need to show, not tell, and that gamers are going to be less interested in hearing from them unless it's delivering good news about a game. That being said, I could see it being something they'd be open to down the road, if all goes well.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby mp3 on Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:20 pm

I'd actually like it if EA didn't over hype this years game because it only leads to disappointing results.

Just tell us what the game modes are, confirm roster management, upload screenshots and then just release the game.

The real people who can judge the game for what it is will be silenced so don't overhype just release and let the people judge for themselves
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:24 pm

I'd like them to go into detail with developer blogs, so we know some of the specifics, but other than that I agree. The game needs to speak for itself, to some extent at any rate.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby StyxTx on Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:50 pm

mp3 wrote:I'd actually like it if EA didn't over hype this years game because it only leads to disappointing results.

Just tell us what the game modes are, confirm roster management, upload screenshots and then just release the game.

The real people who can judge the game for what it is will be silenced so don't overhype just release and let the people judge for themselves


This is an excellent point. The way game companies hype the games, they are setting users up for a letdown. Almost always. I'd prefer them to just tell us what's in the game, as you say, and tell us what is new without talking like it's the 2nd coming of Christ.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby StyxTx on Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:53 pm

Andrew wrote:Possibly. I could also see a lot of people saying "talk is cheap", though. After all, not everyone received the chat with the 2K guys warmly, and their games have been more successful.


Could be cuz the 2k people took the coward way out and wouldn't talk about what people want them to talk about. I guess they didn't have any logical reasons for the stuff they've done to the game.

But yes, talk is cheap.

People can say anything but putting words into action is much harder. I never pay attention to what people say, IRL. I watch what they do.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Pdub on Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:46 am

So, tickets to EA Play are free, and all you have to do is register.

https://www.ea.com/en-us/news/ea-play-2 ... -available
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:09 am

Nice. As I said before, if anyone's planning on going and would be willing to give us a report, let me know!
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Pdub on Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:18 am

I wonder if there is some sort of presentation. There are 4 "events" between the 3 days each being 4 hours long, with the exception of Monday being 5 hours. You only get to choose one, so I chose the first day. That way I'll get an early look.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:27 am

Awesome. (Y)
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby [Q] on Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:19 pm

Pdub wrote:I wonder if there is some sort of presentation. There are 4 "events" between the 3 days each being 4 hours long, with the exception of Monday being 5 hours. You only get to choose one, so I chose the first day. That way I'll get an early look.

Saturday? My first thought was Sunday but I work a lot of Sundays so Saturday night be better for me
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Pdub on Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:13 pm

Yeah, Saturday is when I'm going.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Dee4Three on Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:31 am

I really wish I could go....

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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby [Q] on Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:50 am

Pdub wrote:Yeah, Saturday is when I'm going.

Did you get a 12pm spot? All that was left was 4pm for me
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Pdub on Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:08 am

[Q] wrote:
Pdub wrote:Yeah, Saturday is when I'm going.

Did you get a 12pm spot? All that was left was 4pm for me


I thought the 12pm was on Sunday, but yeah I selected the 4pm Saturday spot. I wonder how the traffic will be.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby [Q] on Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:02 am

Cool. See ya there. Shouldn't be too bad on a weekend. Might be a bit busier around the Palladium. I went to a wrestling show there last year
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Pdub on Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:35 am

A couple of years ago I almost went to a Dave Chappelle comedy show there. Low and behold one of the nights turned into a Netflix special.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby [Q] on Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:25 pm

Those Netflix shows had their moments, but they weren't AMAZING. You didn't miss out. I saw him in Irvine like 5 years ago and my god he was awful.

We need to one on one in Live 18!
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Crunky on Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:58 pm

This is gameplay footage of NBA Live 18 gameplay from January 2016, of course the graphics of the end product will look totally different. But you could tell this is early NBA Live 18 footage by the physics of Jae Crowders hair swaying and the emphatic block that was absent in NBA Live 16. On top of all of that you have smoother animations and different animations from previous iterations. Remember this is a build from January 2016 so it's not the final product.

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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby mp3 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:21 am

In some parts the game looks a bit like 2k but you also see bits of Live 16 showing through too, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a legit video of an early build of the game
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby zzcoolj21 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:32 am

I really hope that's not real. I can't get myself to pay $60 for a game with the same reused animations in this horrible engine.

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Edit: that is 1000% Live 16 gameplay. That clip around 50 seconds in confirms it.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby mp3 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:49 am

Watched it again, what did you see at 0.50?
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby [Q] on Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:53 am

I wouldn't doubt that this is live 16 footage. I mean unless if this dude is actually working on the game or something
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Re: NBA Live 18

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mp3 wrote:Watched it again, what did you see at 0.50?


I've used that step back so many times the animation is engraved in my brain.

[Q] wrote:I wouldn't doubt that this is live 16 footage. I mean unless if this dude is actually working on the game or something


Yea I'd imagine we'd see debug script on the screen if this was a work in progress build.

Another thing is the replay suite is the exact same as 15-16. I hate these youtubers.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:14 pm

Glad to hear a couple of you guys got tickets. (Y)
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby mp3 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:06 pm

Is there any way we could find out what devs would be there in advance and maybe book some sit down time with our nlsc reps to talk about the game?
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:01 pm

I could make some inquiries. (Y)
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby ThaLiveKing on Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:32 am

I haven't made any announcements on my social media accounts, but EA invited me to EA Play, and I accepted. I'm definitely going to be in the teeth of EA Play this year.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:15 am

Awesome, congrats!
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby [Q] on Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:32 am

ThaLiveKing wrote:I haven't made any announcements on my social media accounts, but EA invited me to EA Play, and I accepted. I'm definitely going to be in the teeth of EA Play this year.

Which day/time? Or all of them?

Andrew wrote:Glad to hear a couple of you guys got tickets. (Y)

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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby ThaLiveKing on Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:17 am

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ThaLiveKing wrote:I haven't made any announcements on my social media accounts, but EA invited me to EA Play, and I accepted. I'm definitely going to be in the teeth of EA Play this year.

Which day/time? Or all of them?

Andrew wrote:Glad to hear a couple of you guys got tickets. (Y)

Now we could use some shirts!


I'm going to be there all weekend. Not sure what the sched is going to look like, but I'll definitely be there. I'm shocked I'm getting a second chance at all this, I'm still soaking it in, found out on Friday about the invite.
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Re: NBA Live 18

Postby ThaLiveKing on Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:25 am

zzcoolj21 wrote:I really hope that's not real. I can't get myself to pay $60 for a game with the same reused animations in this horrible engine.

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Edit: that is 1000% Live 16 gameplay. That clip around 50 seconds in confirms it.


LOL these Youtubers are trolling for views, its hilarious.
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