LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

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Postby volsey on Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:09 pm

I was reading the youtube comments on one of his interview videos. People think he's hilarious. I mean they're the same people that think watching Skip Bayless and Steven A Smith jerk each other off is entertaining/informative but still. How is this guy funny for more than 10 seconds after you start to realize he might actually be serious/believe the shit he himself is saying?

I really hope this guy just goes away and doesn't hover around his sons career's (as far as the media is concerned I mean).
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Sauru on Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:29 pm

volsey wrote:I was reading the youtube comments on one of his interview videos. People think he's hilarious. I mean they're the same people that think watching Skip Bayless and Steven A Smith jerk each other off is entertaining/informative but still. How is this guy funny for more than 10 seconds after you start to realize he might actually be serious/believe the shit he himself is saying?

I really hope this guy just goes away and doesn't hover around his sons career's (as far as the media is concerned I mean).



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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Andrew on Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:13 pm

People give way too much credit to the idea of being outspoken or "uncensored", as if that immediately makes a joke funny, an opinion worthwhile, or an assertion in any way credible and intelligent. The "he's just being a supportive father" and "who are we to tell him how to raise his kids?" arguments get trotted out a lot too, as if that nullifies all criticism.

Again, I realise that by starting and continuing to have a conversation about him, I'm part of the problem. He has our attention and we're talking about him, so we're all part of the problem. I have to admit though, pointing out what he's doing and muttering to each other "Can you believe this guy?" is pretty damn cathartic.
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Postby Dee4Three on Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:21 am

Andrew wrote:People give way too much credit to the idea of being outspoken or "uncensored", as if that immediately makes a joke funny, an opinion worthwhile, or an assertion in any way credible and intelligent. The "he's just being a supportive father" and "who are we to tell him how to raise his kids?" arguments get trotted out a lot too, as if that nullifies all criticism.

Again, I realise that by starting and continuing to have a conversation about him, I'm part of the problem. He has our attention and we're talking about him, so we're all part of the problem. I have to admit though, pointing out what he's doing and muttering to each other "Can you believe this guy?" is pretty damn cathartic.


You are not part of the problem. I think the discussion about how unhealthy this type of behavior is for the kids is absolutely necessary. One thing that bothers me though, is that MOST of the people I see commenting aren't even bringing up how this impacts the kids, how it impacts the kids mentality. Most of the comments are related to "What an idiot", "Hes just trying to get attention", "He averaged 2PPG in college and he thinks he can win?". The big picture issue is the kids. We saw it with numerous stars parents whether they be actors/actresses or athletes. It is absolutely okay to be there for your kids (Look at Dell Curry, he does it the right way). He is just there cheering on Steph/Seth, as well as being the rock in the family in general. I havn't even heard Lonzo Ball speak, but I have heard Lavar Ball speak SO MANY TIMES.

It makes me wonder what that household was like with those kids growing up... and what it is still like today...
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Andrew on Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:32 am

Fair point. I guess I was looking at it from the angle of "he wants attention, and in a way, I'm giving it to him", but I'd agree it's a worthwhile conversation. Especially given how people are enabling it, and not looking at the bigger picture, as you noted.
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Bruce on Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:24 pm

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Y'all probably seen this before, but this is how a dad should put his kid in his right place. lol

Love that once over from dell to steph, like he is saying are you watching this son?
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Andrew on Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:37 pm

It also helps that Dell Curry actually did make it in the NBA, was a quality player for over a decade, and his support of his sons hasn't involved stealing the spotlight and being obnoxious. And even if he were more "visible" and cocky, again, at least he made it in the NBA, and one of his sons has actually established himself as a star, with the other one starting to find his place as well.

LaVar Ball wishes he was something he never was or could be, and now he's going to try and live out his wildest dreams through his sons, by hook or by crook.
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby NovU on Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:40 pm

This is what the Celtics are gonna have to deal with. They will be sorry for not trading the pick for an established superstar like Jimmy Butler. Good luck trying to win a ship with this kid and his dad.
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Andrew on Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:03 pm

Well, it's not like they'll be forced to pick him or anything. He wouldn't be the first player to be passed over due to off-court/character concerns.
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Stress Fracture on Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:03 pm

Will Lonzo's draft stock drop because of his dad?
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Andrew on Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:32 pm

The notion of LaVar calling the shots and being a distraction will probably be a concern, and possibly lead to Lonzo's stock dropping, especially if he doesn't live up to the hype in workouts. On that note, the workouts will probably be the bigger factor at the end of the day, but you can't rule out the possibility of LaVar scaring away teams...especially given his insistence that all his sons play for the Lakers.
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Andrew on Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:22 am

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As usual, people are defending it because he's supporting his kids, etc etc.

Once again though, it's setting the bar really, really high. It's great that he believes in them that much, but is he preparing them for setbacks? Success doesn't always come quickly in the NBA, and even for players who do have an impact right away, many of them still had a ways to go before they became the all-time greats we now know them as. And yes, you need confidence and to believe in yourself, blah blah blah. But humility and knowing how to properly deal with failure and setbacks are not only admirable traits, but extremely useful ones.

Saying stuff like this is basically painting a target on his kids when they get to the league. Players like LeBron and Westbrook are going to go at him, and they're not going to handle him with kid gloves. He's no longer going to be a big fish in a small pond; he'll be in a league that's weeded out the guys who weren't big enough, strong enough, athletic enough, or talented enough to make it in the world's premiere professional basketball competition. They're not going to take it easy on him, and he's not going to find them easy to contend with. He's going to get trash talked. He's going to have moments where he's embarrassed, and doesn't perform well on a bigger stage than he's ever been on. If he's a high lottery pick, coming in with all this hype and all the obnoxious things his father has been saying, the fans and the media are not going to be patient, or kind, if he doesn't live up to expectations.

If that all happens...will he handle it? Will LaVar handle it? Will he know how to support his son? Will he support his son, or will he cut his losses and start favouring the other two as they try to make it in the NBA? Again, it's fine to have confidence, it's good to be a supportive parent. But this approach is misguided and dangerous. The whole "living through your kids" stuff, and trying to build a brand to make money off them, is kind of sick, too.

And since MJ's name has come up in all this...can you imagine what he would've done if he were in the league and in his prime today, upon facing Lonzo Ball for the first time? I imagine it would make the LaBradford Smith incident look like a friendly shootaround, all while having a few choice words to say to LaVar on the sideline. Few players have ever come close to MJ's maniacal competitive drive, but don't let the trainwreck of an All-Star Game fool you; in games that count, there are great players in the league today who take things very seriously, and have the talent to light up and shut down opponents when they've got it locked in.

LaVar better hope Lonzo is ready for that, and that he's a hundredth as good as he claims he is. Reality could be a very harsh mistress indeed.
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Stress Fracture on Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:51 pm

Nothing wrong with being a proud parent, but that's too much.

I do hope Lonzo will be really prepared when he gets drafted. Pretty sure he'll be a target of heckling when he plays.
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Postby air gordon on Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:11 am

do the top prospects even workout for teams anymore? they are so concerned with protecting their draft position they even refuse to do a workout for a team/ go up against another top prospect.
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Postby Andrew on Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:19 am

I was under the impression it still happened. There's the NBA Draft Combine, if nothing else.
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Andrew on Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:58 am

For what it's worth: NBA Execs: LaVar Ball Won’t Harm Lonzo Ball’s Draft Stock

For all the recent focus on LaVar and his one-man media tour – the endless string of interviews full of cocky claims and premature promises, coupled with insults at everyone from Stephen Curry to Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan – the consensus among front office executives who discussed the matter with USA TODAY Sports this week was that his draft stock won’t be harmed by his father’s controversial style. As one general manager put it, and many other executives confirmed in various forms when consulted on the matter, “No one’s paying attention to Ball’s father.”


I suppose everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but taken at face value...fair enough. Still, you can't help but wonder. I still reckon the kid's going to have a huge target on him when he enters the league, and might find the hype difficult to live up to. Glancing at some comments on social media and that article I linked to, seems people are buying into it. Let's see what he does against NBA competition.
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Postby [Q] on Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:29 pm

Lonzo looked phenomenal tonight. Almost got a triple double and the game just looked too easy for him. burying 25' 3s with ease, finding open teammates for dunks & layups. He'll definitely be a top pick this year if he decides to take a chance on going to the Lakers and not waiting to play with his brothers at UCLA. He'll be able to improve his draft stock over the others as he's one of the few left in the tournament
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Andrew on Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:38 pm

Do you think he'll be doing that with ease at the NBA level?
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Postby Andrew on Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:02 pm

Via Kenny Smith on Twitter:

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Postby Stress Fracture on Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:01 pm

Charles told him to post that lmao
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Sauru on Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:02 pm

NovU wrote:This is what the Celtics are gonna have to deal with. They will be sorry for not trading the pick for an established superstar like Jimmy Butler. Good luck trying to win a ship with this kid and his dad.



i would be more than happy to have him on my team though i would still prefer we take fultz
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Bruce on Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:30 pm

I don't think I will ever understand this LaVar character, but this interview does makes a little sense of what he is all about. He does not look all that bad, except again that BBB brand really looks like trash.
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But, putting LaVar beside Steven A. Smith, it kind of puts thing in perspective for me of what kind of person LaVar is. Compared to Steven A. LaVar actually looks like a sane decent person.
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And with that said, I have only watched 3 LaVar videos ever and I do not plan to again, unless the Lakers actually (have to) draft Lonzo.
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Andrew on Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:34 pm

I don't know, I think I'd still take Stephen A. over LaVar. Stephen A. has made good points more often, if only by accident.
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Sauru on Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:55 pm

i couldnt even watch this video. i got about 60 seconds in before i said "i am done with this dude" and loaded up a hearthstone video
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Re: LaVar Ball reckons he'd destroy MJ one-on-one

Postby Andrew on Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:53 pm

Despite LaVar Ball's proclamations, UCLA has been eliminated from the tournament. Naturally, it didn't take the Internet long to respond.

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You know, as much as I normally dislike the Crying Jordan image macros, I do enjoy this one. There's something very, very, very cathartic about seeing obnoxious blowhard braggarts trying to live vicariously through their kids have to eat crow.
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