Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:46 am
Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:14 am
jmmontoro wrote:Once again, no one here cares about clothes, shoes, or animations, only ratings and body types and their combinations beyond the limitations of the game.
Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:29 am
jmmontoro wrote:Once again, no one here cares about clothes, shoes, or animations, only ratings and body types and their combinations beyond the limitations of the game.
Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:34 am
jmmontoro wrote:jmmontoro wrote:Once again, no one here cares about clothes, shoes, or animations, only ratings and body types and their combinations beyond the limitations of the game.
No one cares, or better said, no one has an issue.
Dude, if you don't like VC, don't buy the game. And if you cheat, stop advertising it. I don't care if you don't spend money or time getting VC, I only care when you go beyond the limitations, beyond the height for the position, beyond the capped attributes, and you compete online with this. Offline, make whatever behemoth you want.
Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:39 am
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Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:11 am
Dee4Three wrote:The funny thing is.. the people that say they don't want to grind, or put in the time... Let me break this down.
In any game, you earn your success. You want to make it to new levels in Mario so you can see them? You need be good at the game, and make sure you don't die. You want to get the cool items in a final fantasy game? You need to explore, you need to beat a badass boss by leveling your character, than you can have your cool new armor/weapon. You want a higher difficulty on Borderlands? You grind through the game, beat the missions, beat the game, and than you get your higher difficulty level. What is this about not putting in the time? I played an exhibition game and won, and I had enough VC to buy a couple things JUST FROM THAT ONE GAME, it was only 6 minute quarters. Some people are certainly doing it the right way, they build the player up from the ground up (not spending entire life on the game), and that is the right way to do it. Anybody that cheats (Online or offline) should be ashamed, its called cheating for a reason. It's getting something you didn't earn for free, without the work others put in.
OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO EARN YOUR VC..... it's a video game. It's not pay to win, it's do well, put in the time, and win. If not, that mode/game is not for you. Stop being lazy and ruining it for people who do it the right way by putting in the work.
Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:18 am
Dee4Three wrote:The funny thing is.. the people that say they don't want to grind, or put in the time... Let me break this down.
In any game, you earn your success. You want to make it to new levels in Mario so you can see them? You need be good at the game, and make sure you don't die. You want to get the cool items in a final fantasy game? You need to explore, you need to beat a badass boss by leveling your character, than you can have your cool new armor/weapon. You want a higher difficulty on Borderlands? You grind through the game, beat the missions, beat the game, and than you get your higher difficulty level to play through again. What is this about not putting in the time? I played an exhibition game and won, and I had enough VC to buy a couple things JUST FROM THAT ONE GAME, it was only 6 minute quarters. Some people are certainly doing it the right way, they build the player up from the ground up (not spending entire life on the game), and that is the right way to do it. Anybody that cheats (Online or offline) should be ashamed, its called cheating for a reason. It's getting something you didn't earn for free, without the work others put in.
OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO EARN YOUR VC..... it's a video game. It's not pay to win, it's do well, put in the time, and win. If not, that mode/game is not for you. Stop being lazy and ruining it for people who do it the right way by putting in the work. It does indeed come down to being lazy/entitled.
Work for it.
Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:22 am
hedop wrote:Dee4Three wrote:The funny thing is.. the people that say they don't want to grind, or put in the time... Let me break this down.
In any game, you earn your success. You want to make it to new levels in Mario so you can see them? You need be good at the game, and make sure you don't die. You want to get the cool items in a final fantasy game? You need to explore, you need to beat a badass boss by leveling your character, than you can have your cool new armor/weapon. You want a higher difficulty on Borderlands? You grind through the game, beat the missions, beat the game, and than you get your higher difficulty level. What is this about not putting in the time? I played an exhibition game and won, and I had enough VC to buy a couple things JUST FROM THAT ONE GAME, it was only 6 minute quarters. Some people are certainly doing it the right way, they build the player up from the ground up (not spending entire life on the game), and that is the right way to do it. Anybody that cheats (Online or offline) should be ashamed, its called cheating for a reason. It's getting something you didn't earn for free, without the work others put in.
OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO EARN YOUR VC..... it's a video game. It's not pay to win, it's do well, put in the time, and win. If not, that mode/game is not for you. Stop being lazy and ruining it for people who do it the right way by putting in the work.
Lol... yeah right... I'm lazy... I'm lazy for not wanting to invest another 500 hours into a game that comes out every year. Jesus I can't stand people like you. Do you really think we all have 10 hours a day to play this game? Let me break this down for you. I and a lot of other working folk with gfs, wives, children and families might be able to snatch 2 hours a day. Say you want to grind to 240.000 VC at 2.000 VC per game... that's an easy 120 games. You can't get 2.000 VC playing 4 minute quarters. Gotta play 12 minutes to get your 25-30 minutes in. So 30 times 120... 3.600 minutes right? Let me break this down for you in hours: 60 hours. Let me break this down for you in days for guys like me and others: 30 days and that is if we can get 2 hours a day. If not we are talking 40-50-60 days... that's 2 months straight of playing to get ONE player to the max, a feat many of us have accomplished several times over the last dozen iterations of the game. Let me break this down for you... to get there we would need to only use our gametime on MyCareer for the next month or two. No MT, no MyPark, no MyGM no other games either... a whole month.
Let me break this down for you: I paid 50 bucks for the game. Let me break 50 bucks down for you, for anybody earning the minimum wage in Germany that takes requires 6 hours of work. That's a lot of work for more work and no fun ain't it? Let me break it down for you: I still got VC out of my behind that I EARNED in 2k16 and 2k15... say 600.000 overall. Why? Cause I played 2k15 for 600 hours and 2k16 for 300 hours. Let me break this down for you... 600.000 VC is a lot of VC, you might say it's 300 Euro in VC... cause that what that would cost you. I can't cash them in though cause, let me break it down for you, 2k charges for VC but does not pay out. I can't transfer them either cause, let me break it down for you, 2k does not allow us to take our VC with us. Neither does 2k allow us to take our players with us cause, let me break it down for you, they want our money.
So let me break down for you why I'm tired of guys like you. You might have 120 hours or however long to play around and earn your VC for a pair of shoes. I and many others don't, yet you presume to lecture us what we can and can not do with a game we bought. Let me break it down for you: we paid 50 bucks which means we own a copy of the game which means, broken down, it's our property. So let me break it down even more for you. You sit on your high horse and claim we don't want to put in the work... well many of us have cause, let me break it down for you, we spent countless hours on other iterations of the game and collected shit loads of VC and we are tired so bone tired to start again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again with 5.000 VC a 56 rated player and no way to escape the grind of hundreds of hours again without paying through the nose. Go away if you don't like it. Move your behind to other threads and keep telling yourself you are superior because you do it the "Right" way. You know what would be the right way? For 2k to give us our VC from previous versions back. For 2k to acknowledge our progress and previous games and give us our players back that we grinded for. For 2k to stop milking us for every dime and let our player in a single player mode not pay for clothes and frigging jump shots. Not sure you ever played 2k11... but before the next gen there was 2k as well... and you didn't need to pay through the nose for upgrades. The prices weren't as steep, dunk packages were cheap as were accesories, they were usually even for free and you could earn shit loads of SP. That is the right way. I hope that I have broken that down enough for you...
And for the young sir who thinks I can play offline... read the friggin thread... without online connection there is nothing you can customize... no new dunk packages, no animations, no decent jump shots, no clothes no nothing. So learn to read young sir before I have to break down for you how the hell a couple of letters form words.
Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:24 am
erudain wrote:Dee4Three wrote:The funny thing is.. the people that say they don't want to grind, or put in the time... Let me break this down.
In any game, you earn your success. You want to make it to new levels in Mario so you can see them? You need be good at the game, and make sure you don't die. You want to get the cool items in a final fantasy game? You need to explore, you need to beat a badass boss by leveling your character, than you can have your cool new armor/weapon. You want a higher difficulty on Borderlands? You grind through the game, beat the missions, beat the game, and than you get your higher difficulty level to play through again. What is this about not putting in the time? I played an exhibition game and won, and I had enough VC to buy a couple things JUST FROM THAT ONE GAME, it was only 6 minute quarters. Some people are certainly doing it the right way, they build the player up from the ground up (not spending entire life on the game), and that is the right way to do it. Anybody that cheats (Online or offline) should be ashamed, its called cheating for a reason. It's getting something you didn't earn for free, without the work others put in.
OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO EARN YOUR VC..... it's a video game. It's not pay to win, it's do well, put in the time, and win. If not, that mode/game is not for you. Stop being lazy and ruining it for people who do it the right way by putting in the work. It does indeed come down to being lazy/entitled.
Work for it.
Let me fix that for you....
"You want to make it to new levels in Mario so you can see them? You need be good at the game, and make sure you don't die....or use cheat/trainers/cheatengine if they are available and you are not griefing others, it's your game, play it the way you want, enjoy or makes you happy"
"You want to get the cool items in a final fantasy game? You need to explore, you need to beat a badass boss by leveling your character, than you can have your cool new armor/weapon...or use cheat/trainers/cheatengine if they are available and you are not griefing others, it's your game, play it the way you want, enjoy or makes you happy"
Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:28 am
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Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:02 pm
hedop wrote:I totally agree. Personally I do not get why they have to bring VC into this. You have live training with several challenges. Midrange shooting, Dribbling, Vertical, Strength etc. Why not use that to collect training progress in specific areas, earn the same progress for in game action and then simply level up those stats? Why exactly is VC necessary in a 50 Bucks game? Why does your apparently highly touted player start out at a 55/56 lower worse than the worst free agent? Why not start out with a modest 68/69 like Justice, your partner once your turn pro? That is a decent starting point.
If you'd actually include a full college season with regular practice (which is twice a day) you'd end up with 30 games or so running from November until March and another possible 5 games or so running from March until April. If you include a couple of early season tournaments you might get up to 40 games before March Madness. Share that out over those 4 months and you get about 10 games per month or one game every 3 days. Have two team practices per day when you aren't playing and the possibility of an open gym or weight room like they do now. That's 120 days, if you have no practice on game it leaves you with around 80 days. That is a possible 240 practices. If you say you have to get gold 2 times, silver 4 times or bronze 6 times to get a +1 in any one category you could possibly grind yourself to death and get to be a 99 but more likely you would limit the practice each day with progressive fatigue and set the limit at say 5 exercises per training. That is a possible 1200 exercises. Even if you get gold in all exercises the maximum number of points you could gain is 600 and that is if you really grind it. There are a possible 47 categories in which to improve your player. Even if you start at a 70 on average, meaning in every single stat, you'd need 1.410 points to get 100 in all categories. That would mean more than 2.500 exercises all with gold. Even a dedicated player would need weeks to get there. But you would feel like a stud because no one could buy their way there and if the system is well setup nobody could cheat their way there either. Plus you would start at a decent rating, where you are actually able to do stuff on the court.
If that isn't hard enough for you you could easily keep the archetypes into place but allow for upgrades over your max. It would simply get harder. Say you have a maximum of 20 on your rebounding. To get to 40 you'd need 4 gold exercises. To get to 60 8 gold exercises per point and so on. You would be able to form a complete player but it would take hard work and dedication and immense grinding but you could rightly claim your player to be one of a kind because you yourself made him to your absolute liking and it would also accurately portrait how hard improvement in certain areas is for players who have to struggle against their natural limitations.
Where I would allow VC would be for MyPark. I think you should be able to earn it there, maybe even wager it there to by stuff that is strictly for MyPark or MyTeam. I would completely ban VC from MyGM and every other mode as well. Clothes and stuff for your MyCareer should be bought with ingame currency by which I mean what you earn through your contract. Want a flashy wardrobe? It'll cost you several thousand dollars. Want that fancy car for the cutscenes? Want that fancy flat? Want that fancy remodelling of your court? Want a personal trainer? Sure enough but you pay for it with your contract money or endorsement money. You can donate part of your wage for good causes, build basketball courts for kids or renovate schools etc.
That would be my idea of a good career mode. You earn your skills through practice, which will make you better at the game itself as well and you can buy what you want if you have the money for it but it might effect how fans view you if you piss away your money on clothes, cars and what not and don't give to charity or live paycheck to paycheck even as a millionaire.
I would also strongly recommend that 2k should stop milking us. MLB the Show and even Madden had the possibility to continue playing your career and franchise mode on a new version of the game for ages. I also don't see why we lose the VC we earned in 2k15 and 2k16? How is that VC different? All that does is piss people off because you spend another 6 months grinding away when they have already stopped investing anything into the game. Why do I, as a return customer, not get to enjoy the benefits of being faithful and continuing to support their game? I own every version of the game since 2k11 on PC. Since 2k15 we have had VC and I don't see why, if they won't give return customers a discount, they can't at least transfer our VC over from previous games. Even Fifa always offers a small discount for people who own the previous version or versions.
That is why for me, the concept of VC is ridiculous. It let's people pay 25 Bucks to get several thousand of them and then condemn people who have been playing the game for nearly a decade because we finally have had it with grinding our brains out for hundreds of hours while some other people just pay to be good. I am saddened that 2k has taken enough interest to close one of the nicest loopholes for cheat engine, which let you buy upgrades for 0 VC. I am saddened especially because the grind is unrewarding. Yesterday I played MyCareer with my 65 rated Smallforward. I played on HOF, played very well, managed to get an A+ team grade against the Cavaliers and ended up with 15 points, 7 assists and 8 rebounds in around 16 minutes. With a player like mine, in that time, on that difficulty, against this opponent I thought for sure I would end up with 2000 VC or something akin to that.... well I got around 165 VC for my numbers, 500 VC for my Teamgrade which both was doubled because of HOF so that came to around 1330 VC plus sensational 250 VC for playing against the Cavs. Wow I thought... I played like a maniac with a severely underrated player on HOF and come out with 1580 VC... Just to be clear... at that pace I will have to play at least 200 games to actually earn enough VC to upgrade one career fully (which probably won't be the one I'm currently playing. I won't invest a dime into it because it would be utterly pointless). 200 games of MyCareer on HoF at 12 minutes a quarter... that's around 6000 minutes or 100 hours... 100 hours just to get enough VC to upgrade my player to a possible 90+... that does not include dunk packages, jumpshots, animations (all of which you have to buy again and again and again for each and every career) or some cosmetic makeup in terms of clothes or tattoos... that is just the player because they calculated a full upgrade to around 247.120 VC or more than 50 Bucks in money. Again: that does not include Badges, Animations or anything relevant other than skill upgrades. I'll say it again: 247.120 VC. You gotta be kidding right? Even at 2.000 VC a game... which you will probably only earn by scoring 200 points a game or some shite, you'd need to play 123 games... and not spend any.
So seriously? People say people like me break the game because I don't want to spend that much fucking time to actually enjoy a game I paid 50 Bucks for? Or people saying: Play Myleague with player lock? No... honestly give me an offline MyCareer. I don't need the park. I don't want the park. I don't even need ProAM. I want to enjoy my single player experience I paid for. But I can't. I'd happily play offline and cheat away... but what is the point? I can get clothes or animations. If I could buy the animations and keep them for the next player, like clothes, that might make a difference but I can't. I'd have to buy them again and you can't buy any offline. Why? What reason could there be for that?
Sorry if this post got out of hand. It's just annoying as hell to read people claiming we ruin their gaming experience. Well 2k ruined mine. I want to just play MyCareer in peace with the full experience. I don't want all that connectivity crap and I don't want to grind. I grind on MyGM by rebuilding shitty teams from nothing. On MyCareer I want to be the baddest Mofo out there and the highest touted draft pick in the history of the NBA. So for my sake and all of the other player's sake who are sore from being beaten up for their money every year by the bullies at 2k Sports I do hope Veryan or some other gifted Cracker or MrAntifun or whoever really finds a way to get us cheap upgrades back.
Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:44 pm
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Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:45 pm
atszabo wrote:Wow, this thread is so toxic. Can the 2k Fan boys please leave and lett the people with responsibilities in their life discuss the single player CE capabilities without the "cheater scum" diatribes? Hedop has already said it all so I won't expound, but for those who don't have time to check their pretend cell phone and go to pretend basketball practice for two months just to have a decent character here is the single player table I have been working on: DL Link
Instructions are fairly simple:
- There are two groups of addresses, the first group is the roster editor addresses and the second group is your MyPlayer stuff
- First, confirm the MyPlayer addresses are aligned. To do this load into your practice gym and then go to edit your facial appearance. This will load your values into the roster editor portion of the memory. Confirm they match up with the MyPlayer values, if not, search to find the offset and recalculate all MyPlayer addresses with the offset.
- Second, go into roster edit mode and start editing a player to match your desired configuration. When complete just back out and load back into the gym.
- Third, manually copy all the values you picked in the roster editor into the corresponding MyPlayer sections. Now would also be a good time to adjust the attribute upgrade levels if desired.
- After all edits are done, back out to main menu and everything should save.
Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:14 pm
TheCed wrote:atszabo wrote:Wow, this thread is so toxic. Can the 2k Fan boys please leave and lett the people with responsibilities in their life discuss the single player CE capabilities without the "cheater scum" diatribes? Hedop has already said it all so I won't expound, but for those who don't have time to check their pretend cell phone and go to pretend basketball practice for two months just to have a decent character here is the single player table I have been working on: DL Link
Instructions are fairly simple:
- There are two groups of addresses, the first group is the roster editor addresses and the second group is your MyPlayer stuff
- First, confirm the MyPlayer addresses are aligned. To do this load into your practice gym and then go to edit your facial appearance. This will load your values into the roster editor portion of the memory. Confirm they match up with the MyPlayer values, if not, search to find the offset and recalculate all MyPlayer addresses with the offset.
- Second, go into roster edit mode and start editing a player to match your desired configuration. When complete just back out and load back into the gym.
- Third, manually copy all the values you picked in the roster editor into the corresponding MyPlayer sections. Now would also be a good time to adjust the attribute upgrade levels if desired.
- After all edits are done, back out to main menu and everything should save.
It's looking great but sadly it doesn't work online. And when I mean online, don't get me wrong, I don't play MyPark or Pro-Am. I'm just trying to earn VC with a solid 78-80 overall MyPlayer as a base and then spend that earned VC to upgrade my player. I just wanna be able to buy stuff in the shop, all of that.
Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:42 pm
atszabo wrote:Wow, this thread is so toxic. Can the 2k Fan boys please leave and lett the people with responsibilities in their life discuss the single player CE capabilities without the "cheater scum" diatribes?
Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:20 am
FanFanStef wrote:http://forums.nba-live.com/downloads.php?view=detail&df_id=8759 - Limnono Trainer translated to English, thanks to Limnono, who delivered a localization file, me, kradac and GiecuMan, who took care of translations and stuff.
Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:24 am
Dommy73 wrote:atszabo wrote:Wow, this thread is so toxic. Can the 2k Fan boys please leave and lett the people with responsibilities in their life discuss the single player CE capabilities without the "cheater scum" diatribes?
Sorry, but how am I supposed to take you seriously when you start with an ad hominem attack?
Bottom line is that if it was working only in single player game, it would be fine with most. Since it results in cheaters coming online and ruining the game for players that play fair, some people will be vocal about it.
As another thing to consider, by doing this you're breaking EULA/ToS and can be for example banned from online services.
Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:36 am
Dommy73 wrote:atszabo wrote:Wow, this thread is so toxic. Can the 2k Fan boys please leave and lett the people with responsibilities in their life discuss the single player CE capabilities without the "cheater scum" diatribes?
Sorry, but how am I supposed to take you seriously when you start with an ad hominem attack?
Bottom line is that if it was working only in single player game, it would be fine with most. Since it results in cheaters coming online and ruining the game for players that play fair, some people will be vocal about it.
As another thing to consider, by doing this you're breaking EULA/ToS and can be for example banned from online services.
Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:42 am
atszabo wrote:Wow, this thread is so toxic. Can the 2k Fan boys please leave and lett the people with responsibilities in their life discuss the single player CE capabilities without the "cheater scum" diatribes? Hedop has already said it all so I won't expound, but for those who don't have time to check their pretend cell phone and go to pretend basketball practice for two months just to have a decent character here is the single player table I have been working on: DL Link
Instructions are fairly simple:
- There are two groups of addresses, the first group is the roster editor addresses and the second group is your MyPlayer stuff
- First, confirm the MyPlayer addresses are aligned. To do this load into your practice gym and then go to edit your facial appearance. This will load your values into the roster editor portion of the memory. Confirm they match up with the MyPlayer values, if not, search to find the offset and recalculate all MyPlayer addresses with the offset.
- Second, go into roster edit mode and start editing a player to match your desired configuration. When complete just back out and load back into the gym.
- Third, manually copy all the values you picked in the roster editor into the corresponding MyPlayer sections. Now would also be a good time to adjust the attribute upgrade levels if desired.
- After all edits are done, back out to main menu and everything should save.