Kevin wrote:You americans are anti-Trump when on the internet but a supporter of him in real life. Seriously, if a large portion of the USA hates him why does he almost always wins the polls?
Kevin wrote:You americans are anti-Trump when on the internet but a supporter of him in real life. Seriously, if a large portion of the USA hates him why does he almost always wins the polls?
Andrew wrote:It delves into some other issues as well, but it comes down to him appealing to a large group of disenchanted Americans, who desire change and someone to blame. He's giving them that, along with a catchy slogan that ignites patriotic feelings and a sense of hope, even if there isn't much substance to it. As you said, it sounds good to anyone who feels the country has lost its way, and so they don't really question the "how", or fact-check anything that's being said. They're not happy, so obviously America is in trouble, and he's going to fix it, because he said as much.
Phil89 wrote:Andrew wrote:It delves into some other issues as well, but it comes down to him appealing to a large group of disenchanted Americans, who desire change and someone to blame. He's giving them that, along with a catchy slogan that ignites patriotic feelings and a sense of hope, even if there isn't much substance to it. As you said, it sounds good to anyone who feels the country has lost its way, and so they don't really question the "how", or fact-check anything that's being said. They're not happy, so obviously America is in trouble, and he's going to fix it, because he said as much.
The similarities between the current Trump phenomenon and what happened in 1930's Germany are quite disturbing. Times of hardship usually create the perfect conditions for the more extreme politicians to spread their message and become more popular.
Coming off of Germany's loss in WW1 and the stock market crash of 1929 Hitler and the Nazis tapped into a sense of disenchantment in Germany and he promised to rebuild the country to be a powerhouse in Europe again. To allow the people to regain pride in being German again. Trump's rhetoric is no different. His promise to "make America great again" is just a hollow patriotic slogan that has no substance behind it. It just sounds good to those voters who want things to be like they were in the "good old days" when minorities had no rights and the country was isolated from the troubles of the rest of the world.
Hitler utilised the myth that the Jews were responsible for Germany losing WW1 to gain support from disenchanted army veterans and impoverished German civilians. Trump is doing the same thing by scapegoating Mexicans as rapists and criminals and calling all Muslims terrorists. He is sensationalising the threat and is gaining a lot of support from ignorant bigots. David Duke for example.
His encouraging of his supporters to physically attack protesters is also worrying. It's the same thing the SA troops did for the Nazis when they were coming into power. Suppressing the voices of anyone who oppose them because they are "wrong", "stupid" or "traitors". Trump's first reaction to someone who doesn't agree with him is to insult them and bully them. And people really want this man representing them on the world stage?
bigh0rt wrote:American politics are a very funny thing. Trump is benefiting largely from, and I may step in and out of line here I'm sure, there being no other real viable candidate from the Republican party this go 'round. Carson, Cruz, Rubio, et al were all laughable candidates, allowing him to gain early traction. He also panders to the lowest common denominator which, as much as I hate to admit it, engulfs a great portion of America, especially in all of the fly-over states in the 'heart' of the country, as well as the south. He does not resonate well in the Northeast or West coast which are typically more largely populated with, for lack of a better word, thinkers. I realize that is probably offensive to people to live in the aforementioned places, but I'm of course not talking about everybody, and just making blanket statements which I believe to be largely true.
The way things are shaping up with the Republican primaries, it does not look like Trump will get enough delegates to get the automatic nomination, and many indications are that the party itself does not want him to be their nominee; so that when the time comes to choose their nominee, they will not select him. Again, this is just one possible scenario, but it is one that seems to make sense given the information we have.
If that scenario occurs, and Trump wins the populist vote and is not selected by the Republican party, it is likely that he runs as an Independent, ruining any Republican candidate's chance of winning the election. In this instance, whatever Democratic candidate goes on (looks like Hilary Clinton is running away with it at this point) will go on to a pretty easy victory.
If the Republican party does nominate Trump, then it will be a closer race between he and Clinton, but most early exit polls show that she would also defeat him in the general presidential election. In my opinion, she would only gain a greater edge over the next year than she's already got (and to be clear, I am far from a supporter of hers).
Axel wrote:bigh0rt wrote:American politics are a very funny thing. Trump is benefiting largely from, and I may step in and out of line here I'm sure, there being no other real viable candidate from the Republican party this go 'round. Carson, Cruz, Rubio, et al were all laughable candidates, allowing him to gain early traction. He also panders to the lowest common denominator which, as much as I hate to admit it, engulfs a great portion of America, especially in all of the fly-over states in the 'heart' of the country, as well as the south. He does not resonate well in the Northeast or West coast which are typically more largely populated with, for lack of a better word, thinkers. I realize that is probably offensive to people to live in the aforementioned places, but I'm of course not talking about everybody, and just making blanket statements which I believe to be largely true.
New Hampshire Trump 35%, Kasich 15%
Nevada Trump 45.9%, Rubio 23.9, Cruz 21.4
Massachusetts Trump 49.3, Kasich 18.0, Rubio 17.9
Vermont Trump 32.7, Kasich 30.4, Rubio 19.3
Hawaii Trump 42.4, Cruz 32.7, Rubio 13.1
Phil89 wrote:The similarities between the current Trump phenomenon and what happened in 1930's Germany are quite disturbing. Times of hardship usually create the perfect conditions for the more extreme politicians to spread their message and become more popular.
Andrew wrote:Phil89 wrote:The similarities between the current Trump phenomenon and what happened in 1930's Germany are quite disturbing. Times of hardship usually create the perfect conditions for the more extreme politicians to spread their message and become more popular.
There are some disturbing parallels and eerie similarities that have been pointed out.
bigh0rt wrote:saying they can't wait until he's President so they can just kill them (the 1st Amendment is for suckers anyway, I guess), taking pride in the notion of torture, and the potential to commit war crimes that violate the Geneva Convention. It makes me thank God that I don't live in an area where that train of thought is considered normal or even acceptable. Sure, we've got them here, but they're few and far between, and generally looked down upon (whether that's right or wrong).
[Q] wrote:It's a really bad thing for this country to have such a big and well-known figure show people it's okay to attack and insult large groups of people that are simply different from you.
[Q] wrote:denouncing the KKK? That's too far for Trump.
Donald Trump says he isn’t interested in the endorsement of David Duke, the anti-Semitic former Ku Klux Klan leader who praised the GOP presidential hopeful earlier this week on his radio show.
“I don’t need his endorsement; I certainly wouldn’t want his endorsement,” Trump said during an interview with Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin and John Heilemann. He added: “I don’t need anyone’s endorsement.”
Asked whether he would repudiate the endorsement, Trump said “Sure, I would if that would make you feel better.”
“A lot of people like me,” he said. “Republicans like me, liberals like me. Everybody likes me.”
bigh0rt wrote:The way things are shaping up with the Republican primaries, it does not look like Trump will get enough delegates to get the automatic nomination
bigh0rt wrote:As I said previously, I don't see the Republican party nominating Trump, as he projects to fall short of the necessary number of delegates needed to get the automatic bid.
Phil89 wrote:Hitler utilised the myth that the Jews were responsible for Germany losing WW1 to gain support from disenchanted army veterans and impoverished German civilians. Trump is doing the same thing by scapegoating Mexicans as rapists and criminals and calling all Muslims terrorists
Axel wrote:I'm worried Kasich will get the nomination in a corrupted convention which will obviously seal the election for Hillary Clinton.
[Q] wrote:I think what's helping Trump is that he has no competition
[Q] wrote:You have to understand that he is a Republican and there are a lot of Republicans stuck in the old ways that agree with what he is doing.
Kevin wrote:You americans are anti-Trump when on the internet but a supporter of him in real life. Seriously, if a large portion of the USA hates him why does he almost always wins the polls?
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