NBA Jam 2k17 - AVAILABLE NOW! THANK YOU NLSC!

[Millertime2325]

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http://www.hogswithablog.com/?p=1263

[JaoSming]

this should be awesome man

[Andrew]

Indeed. Only wish we could do this for the PC version as well.

[sevin0seven]

finally, someone thought about this! awesome project man . hope you finish it.

[[Q]]

Oh wow, that's pretty awesome! For NBA Jam T.E., are you limited to roster editing or can you edit team names & court colors as well?

[Millertime2325]

Oh wow, that's pretty awesome! For NBA Jam T.E., are you limited to roster editing or can you edit team names & court colors as well?

I'm sure it's possible, but I haven't figured that much out yet. I think for the team names it's exactly the same as editing the player name tags, it's just a matter of finding the locations within the rom. Same goes for the team logos. I'd have to imagine it's the same as editing the player portraits, but something tells me there's more to it than that.

As for court and jersey colors, that seems like it's a huge can of worms that's completely over my head. I started off doing this on a trial and error basis just following some tutorials and started to get the hang of it after a few days. I just figured I'd leave all the team data the same (OKC = Seattle, Brooklyn = New Jersey, I think those are the only two that are different), and if the project was well received I could try to figure that stuff out for future edits.

[Millertime2325]

So I've been working on some stats for a couple teams, but all the data is in a spreadsheet. What's the best / easiest way to post that here? Would love to get some help perfecting the rosters. Problem is, I think 2k14 bases it's ratings off of other players at the position, and I think NBA Jam bases it off of the whole league. So a guard in 2K might have a dunk rating of 70 in 2k but really only be like a 4 or 5 in NBA Jam. I really want the rosters to feel as close to the original as possible, but I don't think I watch enough NBA games outside of my Cavs to really make that happen.

[[Q]]

So I've been working on some stats for a couple teams, but all the data is in a spreadsheet. What's the best / easiest way to post that here? Would love to get some help perfecting the rosters. Problem is, I think 2k14 bases it's ratings off of other players at the position, and I think NBA Jam bases it off of the whole league. So a guard in 2K might have a dunk rating of 70 in 2k but really only be like a 4 or 5 in NBA Jam. I really want the rosters to feel as close to the original as possible, but I don't think I watch enough NBA games outside of my Cavs to really make that happen.

I think there's a way you can post a table on here so we can help with ratings. I can help you make ratings if you want. it's pretty simple 0-9 for each player

[Andrew]

You can check the NLSC Hub section for the sticky on BBCode for tables, otherwise you can zip it up and upload the archive as an attachment to a post, which can then be downloaded and viewed.

[Millertime2325]

Hmm. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. Literally just copied and pasted the code from that stickied thread and it doesn't work. I would love to just post the rosters from 2K on here and have you guys help me tweak it.

{TEXT}
<td colspan=1><b>{TEXT}</b></td>

{TEXT}
<td>{TEXT}</td>

{TEXT}
<tr>{TEXT}</tr>

[tdo={NUMBER}]{TEXT}[/tdo]
<td colspan={NUMBER}>{TEXT}</td>

[Andrew]

Actually, looks like I'll need to add more info to that thread; sorry about that! Here's an example of the table code to use:

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[table][tr][td][b]Tables[/b][/td][td][b]Test[/b][/td][/tr][tr][td]Row[/td][td]Two[/td][/tr][tr][td]Row[/td][td]Three[/td][/tr][/table]

Which would display this:

Tables	Test
Row	Two
Row	Three

[Millertime2325]

Awesome. Thanks! I've been lost without the site today, kept refreshing the page trying to see what was going on lol. I'm going to post a template here so I can start posting the rosters, then once I figure out where everyhing is supposed to go I'll post the rosters that I have.

Team	Player One	Player Two	Player Three	Player Four	Player Five
Speed	(Speed P1)	(Speed P2)	(Speed P3)	(Speed P4)	(Speed P5)
3 Points	(3 Points P1)	(3 Points P2)	(3 Points P3)	(3 Points P4)	(3 Points P5)
Dunk	(Dunk P1)	(Dunk P2)	(Dunk P3)	(Dunk P4)	(Dunk P5)
Pass	(Pass P1)	(Pass P2)	(Pass P3)	(Pass P4)	(Pass P5)
Power	(Power P1)	(Power P2)	(Power P3)	(Power P4)	(Power P5)
Steal	(Steal P1)	(Steal P2)	(Steal P3)	(Steal P4)	(Steal P5)
Block	(Block P1)	(Block P2)	(Block P3)	(Block P4)	(Block P5)
Clutch	(Clutch P1)	(Clutch P2)	(Clutch P3)	(Clutch P4)	(Clutch P5)

Here's the code, if anyone's interested:

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[table][tr][td][b][u]Team[/u][/b][/td][td][b]Player One[/b][/td][td][b]Player Two[/b][/td][td][b]Player Three[/b][/td][td][b]Player Four[/b][/td][td][b]Player Five[/b][/td][/tr][tr][td][b]Speed[/b][/td][td](Speed P1)[/td][td](Speed P2)[/td][td](Speed P3)[/td][td](Speed P4)[/td][td](Speed P5)[/td][/tr][tr][td][b]3 Points[/b][/td][td](3 Points P1)[/td][td](3 Points P2)[/td][td](3 Points P3)[/td][td](3 Points P4)[/td][td](3 Points P5)[/td][/tr][tr][td][b]Dunk[/b][/td][td](Dunk P1)[/td][td](Dunk P2)[/td][td](Dunk P3)[/td][td](Dunk P4)[/td][td](Dunk P5)[/td][/tr][tr][td][b]Pass[/b][/td][td](Pass P1)[/td][td](Pass P2)[/td][td](Pass P3)[/td][td](Pass P4)[/td][td](Pass P5)[/td][/tr][tr][td][b]Power[/b][/td][td](Power P1)[/td][td](Power P2)[/td][td](Power P3)[/td][td](Power P4)[/td][td](Power P5)[/td][/tr][tr][td][b]Steal[/b][/td][td](Steal P1)[/td][td](Steal P2)[/td][td](Steal P3)[/td][td](Steal P4)[/td][td](Steal P5)[/td][/tr][tr][td][b]Block[/b][/td][td](Block P1)[/td][td](Block P2)[/td][td](Block P3)[/td][td](Block P4)[/td][td](Block P5)[/td][/tr][tr][td][b]Clutch[/b][/td][td](Clutch P1)[/td][td](Clutch P2)[/td][td](Clutch P3)[/td][td](Clutch P4)[/td][td](Clutch P5)[/td][/tr][/table]

[Millertime2325]

Okay, so here are the Spurs. I'm going to use them as the guinea pig to see what you guys think. Like I said, all this info is ripped directly from 2k14. Do you think this will work well in NBA Jam? Should I tweak it? If you think these are good to work with, I'll get to work on ripping the rest of the data from 2k. Also, I'm also going to have a tough time with the clutch values. How does one exactly rate a players "clutch" value? Obviously it's going to be high for the superstars but I think it's going to be tougher for the big men and role players.

Another quick question. I couldn't get the data for injured players since 2K automatically drops them down to like 25. How can I load the default rosters? Do I have to delete something in my app folder? I tried some different things within the game but I couldn't find any way to get them back to normal.

Anyway, just wanna say thanks to you guys for helping this project get one step closer to reality. Really appreciate the help I've received so far. Cheers!

San Antonio Spurs	Tony Parker	Tim Duncan	Manu Ginobli	Danny Green	Kawahi Leonard
Speed	9	5	8	8	7
3 Points	8	4	8	7	7
Dunk	1	7	5	5	7
Pass	9	6	7	4	4
Power	3	6	4	6	5
Steal	7	5	8	7	8
Block	3	10	4	8	6
Clutch	?	?	?	?	?

[Andrew]

Unfortunately there were a couple of technical issues, should hopefully be all sorted now.

When you start a new Association game, all injury data should be cleared, which should allow you to reference the unaltered player ratings.

[Millertime2325]

I really want to finish the portraits this weekend, but whatever glitch I'm running into is pissing me off more than words can describe. I don't know what's going on with this. The amount of work I've put into this with nothing to show for it is so frustrating. I do the portraits the same way every single time, yet somehow I have almost 70 that are perfect, and 30+ that do not want to cooperate no matter what I seem to do.



:edit: I may have actually figured out what the issue is. Fixed one of the portraits that wasn't working. I'm hoping this fix will do the trick for the remaining portraits and not just the one I tested.

:edit 2: looks like we're back in business. So excited. Really hopeful that I can knock the rest of these out this weekend.

[Mazzocchi]

Wow, updating an old arcade style sports game? Who does that?

What a waste of time

Seriously, looks fantastic Thrilled to see it

[Millertime2325]

You're the one behind Hitz 20-13? No way! I've been meaning to check that mod out, as well as the Street remake, both look fantastic. I still have a franchise on Hitz 20-03 for Xbox that gets play time every now and then. Especially love playing that game with friends, it's one of my favorites. Hopefully when I get back together with my buddies over Christmas I can give those a try. Might have to try working on some Gamecube mods once this project is finished.

Also, another update to the project: big thanks to sevin0seven, he just finished up on an excel sheet with all the player data which hopefully will be added to the OP soon. Everything is starting to come along with this project, and I definitely think it will be finished sooner than later. Big thanks to everyone on the forums for the help and support.

Perhaps I could put together a demo soon. Heat vs Spurs perhaps?

[Millertime2325]

What do you guys think about rookie portraits? Should I use their draft day photos, as below, or should I continue to use the nba.com photos as I have been with the other players?

[Andrew]

I think the Draft day photos look alright, though I guess it would be better if they're all uniform. You might want to check out the 2013/2014 headshot packs in the Resources section of our Downloads database:
downloads.php?cat=2

[Millertime2325]

Alright, so the Rudy Gay trade got me thinking, which led to some decisions about where to go from here.

The trade deadline is February 20th. I think that's a perfect time (or shortly after, depending on how busy of a day it is) to release a final version of the project. I really don't want to have to release 10 different roster updates with the impending trades. Makes more sense to have one final release with all the rosters 100% accurate.

In the mean time, I think I want to release a closed beta around January 1st. I have about 10 or 15 portraits left to import into the game. Once that's finished, I have about 20 or so more that I want to edit so everything looks perfect, but I don't want to waste my time doing that when I still have to do the rosters. I'm more so interested in getting some feedback on how the game plays and what tweaks should be made, rather than wasting time making sure every pixel in every portrait looks spot on.

If you're interested in helping out with testing, just post here and I'll be sure to hook you up when I'm ready to release it.

[Andrew]

Reckon I could spare some time to check out a beta.

Having a roster cutoff date (not unlike the games themselves) and avoiding releasing multiple updates certainly sounds like far less of a hassle. To that end, the trade deadline definitely seems like a logical choice.

[Millertime2325]

Decided to take a break from portrait editing. As of right now, all sprites have been ripped! Going to import them into my spreadsheet eventually, but for now this will work. It's funny how detailed the developers sprites are, and how generic and crappy most of the actual players are lol. Some day I need to figure out how to edit the sprites, but I figure as long as the height and skin color are spot on, the heads aren't that big of a deal for this project. Most will probably be the same generic looking one.

[Millertime2325]

Finals week is over! Hopefully on my 20+ hour trip back home I'll be able to get a majority of the work done that I need to finish

[agolden]

I posted this thread on the /r/snes subreddit. People there seem to be supportive as well http://www.reddit.com/r/snes/comments/1t27jk/nba_jam_2k14_nba_jam_te_snes_update_mod_in/

[Millertime2325]

Fantastic! Appreciate you getting the word out there. I'd love if this project could make it's way to a major gaming blog or two by the time I release it.

I got a lot of work done last night. All of the on screen data is accurate, so if you're browsing through the menu you'll be able to see all of the player ratings. I have all of the programs installed on my laptop now, so today I want to change the in game sprites and ratings, then finish up any portraits that aren't in the game yet. Got nothing but time on my hands so I should be able to knock out a good partition of it.

Appreciate all of the support from you guys, really gets me motivated to put the work in to make this a reality.

[agolden]

Fantastic! Appreciate you getting the word out there. I'd love if this project could make it's way to a major gaming blog or two by the time I release it.

I got a lot of work done last night. All of the on screen data is accurate, so if you're browsing through the menu you'll be able to see all of the player ratings. I have all of the programs installed on my laptop now, so today I want to change the in game sprites and ratings, then finish up any portraits that aren't in the game yet. Got nothing but time on my hands so I should be able to knock out a good partition of it.

Appreciate all of the support from you guys, really gets me motivated to put the work in to make this a reality.

[zzcoolj21]

Is this still a thing?... i hope its a thing... it is still a thing right? RIGHT?!

[Millertime2325]

Hey guys, just a quick update.. Haven't really made any progress since I've been home from school.. It's tough to work on it on my laptop, and I really wanted to make the most of my time home by hanging out with friends and family. I'm headed back to school today, so once I get back I'm going to get a bunch of things done.

I also ran into a pretty big issue while I was trying to edit data.. Apparently each player has their own unique tendencies, which I didn't take into consideration at all. So let's say I replaced a big man with good dunking abilities with a PG who can't dunk at all. The PG will attempt to dunk almost every time, despite only have a rating of 3. This is kind of a game busting issue, because it pretty much renders the player useless, especially if he's not a good 3 point shooter. I can always swap some player data around, but this is a pretty big issue that I've encountered.

Hopefully I can finish editing the player data soon so I can test it out and figure out which players have which tendencies and who needs to be changed.

[zzcoolj21]

IT STILL LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey guys, just a quick update.. Haven't really made any progress since I've been home from school.. It's tough to work on it on my laptop, and I really wanted to make the most of my time home by hanging out with friends and family. I'm headed back to school today, so once I get back I'm going to get a bunch of things done.

I also ran into a pretty big issue while I was trying to edit data.. Apparently each player has their own unique tendencies, which I didn't take into consideration at all. So let's say I replaced a big man with good dunking abilities with a PG who can't dunk at all. The PG will attempt to dunk almost every time, despite only have a rating of 3. This is kind of a game busting issue, because it pretty much renders the player useless, especially if he's not a good 3 point shooter. I can always swap some player data around, but this is a pretty big issue that I've encountered.

Hopefully I can finish editing the player data soon so I can test it out and figure out which players have which tendencies and who needs to be changed.

[Millertime2325]

Haha, fear not my man. I can't guarantee it will be done by the trade deadline like I want, I can't guarantee it will be done by end of the season, but I can guarantee it will get done eventually. Hopefully it becomes a reality sooner than later.

[Andrew]

Ouch. That's a frustrating issue, but hopefully you can work something out.

[Millertime2325]

Completely off topic, but I just have to say... GO HOGS!!

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Went to the game tonight (I'm a student at Arkansas).. Still in shock

In on topic news, I've been busy at work lately, but I'll be free to get some work done this weekend. Cheers!

[Andrew]

My cousin linked me to that earlier. Incredible finish, must've been very exciting to experience live.

[Millertime2325]

Rough estimate of my progress so far. Hopefully these numbers get larger this weekend. I really want to finish the missing portraits, name tags, and ratings so I can get a video out ASAP. Hopefully you guys can help me with any tweaks that need to be made. Data should be easy, but as I said before, the whole dunk / layup thing really screws it up. Hopefully it's not that big of an issue.

Portraits: 90% (another 20% need to be tweaked)
Names: 100%
Ratings: 95% (Thanks sevin0seven!)
Data: 10%
Secret Players: 10%
Menus / Credits: 0%
Tendencies: 0%

[Andrew]

I'd say most people will appreciate the efforts regardless. While it would be nice if the dunk/layup logic could be adjusted, I'm guessing it won't detract too much from an arcade basketball experience.

[Millertime2325]

I believe I've found a work around for this problem.. if I change the player IDs in the player data section of the hex, it doesn't appear to change anything but their tendencies. In theory, I should be able to find out which players have which tendencies from the original game, and edit them in the current version. Using the PG / dunk example, if I take someone like Rondo who is a good PG but can't dunk, I can find a similar player from the original game (Mark Price), swap player IDs, and it should be alright.. It's just too bad my theories haven't always worked out the way I want them to with this project haha. Fingers crossed on this one though. After another solid couple days of working I should be almost ready for a beta. Now it's just about finding the time to get it done.

[zzcoolj21]

betabetabetabetabetabetabeta

[Andrew]

Glad to hear it, best of luck!

[agolden]

Ready to load up SNES9X! Gonna be nice to play this on my iPad on the road as well

[Millertime2325]

Rookie team is set. Just need 8 more portraits and to work with the data a little. Expect PMs with a link to the beta version tomorrow night, if all goes according to plan.

PS, I'm assuming I'm going to have to just send the patch and patcher and you guys find the original game on your own? Wouldn't want to break any forum rules (or worse, laws lol)

[agolden]

Rookie team is set. Just need 8 more portraits and to work with the data a little. Expect PMs with a link to the beta version tomorrow night, if all goes according to plan.

PS, I'm assuming I'm going to have to just send the patch and patcher and you guys find the original game on your own? Wouldn't want to break any forum rules (or worse, laws lol)

I believe the hack might have compatibility problems based off of what version or rip of the game you apply it to, AFAIK. Especially if one acquires a bad rip of the game.

IDK about forum rules, but this isn't against the U.S. law.


Just so people know, using SNES9x is your best bet as an emulator for a hack like this. ZSNES is more well-known, but is terrible and hasn't been updated for years. bsnes, now known as higan, is the most accurate but requires a decent PC, a bit more configuration than usual, and I'm not sure how well it does with hacks. I'd recommend this tutorial for anyone new to emulators: http://fantasyanime.com/emuhelp/emuhelp_snes9x.htm

Also, here's hoping some enthusiast on the net rips your hack onto a real SNES cartridge out of your game --- now that would be pretty damn cool to take gameplay video of!

[Millertime2325]

Seems like I bit off a little more than I could chew with this.. Still have 8 teams left to edit before I get all the data ready. Expect a better version coming at ya later in the week. Thanks for being patient.

[Andrew]

PS, I'm assuming I'm going to have to just send the patch and patcher and you guys find the original game on your own? Wouldn't want to break any forum rules (or worse, laws lol)

Sure, feel free to post those.

[Millertime2325]

Too excited. Hope KD drops 60

[Andrew]

Cool, still very much looking forward to it.

[[Q]]

is it possible to pixelate the portraits to make them match everything else?

[zzcoolj21]

id give it a try
like this?
Kevin Durant:

Kyrie Irving:

[Millertime2325]

It looks more pixelated like that in full screen. The screenshots come out in the original resolution, which is a lot smaller than what you'll see on your screen. I haven't been able to test it out on my TV though.. My modded Xbox decided to break and I don't have my tools at school to fix it. Think I'm going to buy a new one on Craigslist this weekend, mod it, put the game on it and play the hell out of it.

This KD / LeBron matchup tonight has been great. Maybe not so much the game itself haha. The numbers KD is putting up this month though...

I got my excel sheet fully setup today, so now it's just a matter of putting the stats into the hex editor and I'll be ready for you guys to give it a test run.

[zzcoolj21]

heres what they look like in game already (zoomed in).

i wasted 2 minutes making portraits XD

[[Q]]

oh yeah that looks about right