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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby deihatein on Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:15 pm

No one's going to talk about Kyle Korver record of hitting a 3 for 90 consecutive games?

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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby NovU on Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:50 pm

benji wrote:Except this assumes all teams have an equal chance of making the playoffs, they don't. If you take a team that best case, hardest working, play all the veterans, never give up, never surrender can win 25 games, and they wind up with the 14th pick, what's the fucking point? Entire season wasted and they're supposed to do it again? Wouldn't they AND the league be better off with them playing young guys and d-leaguers, winning 15 games, guaranteeing a top four pick and adding more talent? (While those veterans can scrape onto superior teams improving the high level play of the playoffs!)

The draft is the only "balance" system that exists and you can still fuck that up by taking Oden over Durant or Olowokandi over Maceo Baston as much as you can get lucky and in two or three years stock yourself back to the playoffs.

It's just another obsessive wankfest over what "proper sporting culture" should be where you're supposed to sacrifice your best interests at the alter of some nonexistent unspecific higher moral plane. It's nonsense.

Some sober stuff there.

But moral issue still exists to some degrees as long as you're punishing teams that aren't good enough yet fighting hard to win games while teams that thrives better at throwing away games are kept being rewarded. Are you saying there's no fix to this or no way to improve it whatsoever?
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby Andrew on Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:56 pm

dei. wrote:No one's going to talk about Kyle Korver record of hitting a 3 for 90 consecutive games?

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Definitely worth a mention, solid effort. Here's hoping he can top 100.
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby benji on Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:09 pm

NovU wrote:But moral issue still exists to some degrees as long as you're punishing teams that aren't good enough yet fighting hard to win games

So instead we should punish teams for being smart?
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby NovU on Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:12 pm

Quite the contrary. Cheating shouldn't be considered a being smart.
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby Patr1ck on Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:49 pm

Just give each team a fighting chance by giving them a points handicap based on their opponents and their own scoring and points given up. Done!
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby _Steve_ on Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:18 pm

First of all, great effort by Korver. Breaking a nearly 20 year old record ist great.

Second, you can't stop teams from being bad. I understand why our canadian fellow is upset about this season. Can't remember the last time when so many teams were just bad. Still you can't spread equality. Even the new CBA failed on doing this. I agree with Andrew that this season is most likely something far away from normality. So let us enjoy the good teams we have and hope that at least 10 teams get back to mediocricy.
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby benji on Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:51 pm

NovU wrote:Quite the contrary. Cheating shouldn't be considered a being smart.

How is it cheating to intentionally undermine your teams present success for future success? :lol:

Should the league have done something when the Heat traded or didn't resign players to set up for free agency in 2010?
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby Martti. on Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:09 pm

KORVER!!! :twisted:
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby YaoKnowWhat_I_Ming on Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:31 pm

How about with the 14 teams that didn't make the playoffs, you make a playoffs within that and play for picks? (Kinda not fair though.)

Speaking of cheating, Korver kindaaaaa cheated, he missed a game or so with a rib injury, so it's not exactly 90 straight. You know what I mean?
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby deihatein on Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:26 pm

Yao_Ming wrote:Speaking of cheating, Korver kindaaaaa cheated, he missed a game or so with a rib injury, so it's not exactly 90 straight. You know what I mean?


He didn't play a minute in those games, but I think the consecutive steak only counts if you play a minute and shoot a 3.
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby shadowgrin on Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:59 pm

benji wrote:
NovU wrote:Quite the contrary. Cheating shouldn't be considered a being smart.

How is it cheating to intentionally undermine your teams present success for future success? :lol:

Yes benji, in an academe viewpoint it is cheating when you intentionally fail an exam so you can do better on the next exams. :crazy:



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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby NovU on Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:21 am

benji wrote:How is it cheating to intentionally undermine your teams present success for future success? :lol:

I dunno, I just differentiate between rebuilding and losing on purpose.

The idea of outright throwing games and trying to lose is always appalling at its core value in any sports world. Giving healthy players DNP-CD is an example of outright tanking. Rebuilding is different. The problem is outright tankers get an edge in 'Rebuilding'.

I think it's only natural for people to be pondering what changes can be made so the teams don't purposely have to lose for anything.
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby YaoKnowWhat_I_Ming on Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:46 am

dei. wrote:
Yao_Ming wrote:Speaking of cheating, Korver kindaaaaa cheated, he missed a game or so with a rib injury, so it's not exactly 90 straight. You know what I mean?


He didn't play a minute in those games, but I think the consecutive steak only counts if you play a minute and shoot a 3.

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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby Sauru on Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:15 am

people too often confuse tanking with rebuilding. tanking is losing games on purpose. i have not witnessed that really at all this year
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby NovU on Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:20 am

It's too early in the season to tell. More dubious tanking won't come into play until later.

BTW Celtics and Nets seem to have confused of their spots in seeding. At this pace, the Celtics are going to be 4th in East while Nets snatches Wiggins with 200 mil salary roster. Works for both sides I guess?
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby Martti. on Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:22 am

Nets gave all their picks to Boston, so Boston's fine with that. :lol:
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby benji on Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:35 am

NovU wrote:The idea of outright throwing games and trying to lose is always appalling at its core value in any sports world.

Why is it appalling?
Giving healthy players DNP-CD is an example of outright tanking.

So you want the league to micromanage coaching decisions?
Rebuilding is different.

How?
The problem is outright tankers get an edge in 'Rebuilding'.

Not if they can't tank more than other teams are purely bad.
I think it's only natural for people to be pondering what changes can be made so the teams don't purposely have to lose for anything.

They don't have to purposely lose now, just like they don't have to purposely win.

You have yet to identify any problem except for these nebulous sporting morals of yours that are being offended by others doing things in their best interest.
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby NovU on Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:16 am

benji wrote:Why is it appalling?

Because it is.

"playing to lose" is stupid and immoral, ultimately detrimental to the sports.

benji wrote:
Rebuilding is different.

How?

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... usive.html
There's a large gulf, however, between intending to lose and positioning your resources toward future success rather than immediate rewards.

benji wrote:You have yet to identify any problem except for these nebulous sporting morals of yours that are being offended by others doing things in their best interest.

Why was this bad and deserved disqualification? Players blamed the system, but people still hated that it happened and couldn't accept it and wanted systematic change so it wouldn't happen again. It's the same shit. I don't blame the teams doing shit to their best interest but wouldn't it be nice to improve the system so they don't have to play to lose?
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby benji on Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:19 am

NovU wrote:Because it is.

"playing to lose" is stupid and immoral, ultimately detrimental to the sports.

No, it isn't.

See how fun this is!
There's a large gulf, however, between intending to lose and positioning your resources toward future success rather than immediate rewards.

Which is?

It wasn't and it didn't. But your fellow cult members demanded blood for the sins against their religion.
I don't blame the teams doing shit to their best interest but wouldn't it be nice to improve the system so they don't have to play to lose?

Great, so when is someone going to illustrate a way to "improve the system"?
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby Sauru on Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:43 pm

Martti. wrote:Nets gave all their picks to Boston, so Boston's fine with that. :lol:



pretty sure the hawks would get the nets pick and the celtics get the hawks pick if the season ended today
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby kevin02 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:15 am

Andy is the king of pissing people off.


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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby Andrew on Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:44 am

Fine coming, I would assume.
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby NovU on Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:19 am

Turn on the TV or league pass whatever. Possible Finals match up going on. LAKERS vs RAPTORS, or Thunder vs Pacers!
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Re: Random NBA Discussion 2013-14 Season

Postby SoF'nAwesome on Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:51 pm

Excepted the possible finals match to be close. But I guess that Durant is just too much for any team.

Hey! The Black Mamba is back :D ...Playing great, surprisingly or not.
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