koberulz wrote:SteveHTOWN wrote:One could say, there are no cheaper basketball players who could play to NBA standards. But even with less money it would be still a quiet profitable "job" which attracts enough young talents. Sooner or later NBPA will accept an offer that cuts their (BR)Income...
That makes no sense. "The players need to take a paycut, otherwise they're going to have to take a paycut".
What?
benji wrote:Basically you're demanding that Derek Fisher, James Jones, John Salmons, Maurice Evans, Matt Bonner and others like them get by on less than $7 million per year while guys like LeBron and Dwight Howard continue to make two or even up to three times that!
In other words, you're a terrorist who hates working families.
benji wrote:No, the logical conclusion is to take more of the owners money and give it to the players. The owners haven't earned that money, they don't play the games, they don't win the rings like Derek Fisher does. If anything the players should be getting all of the revenue instead of having to dig through and fight over the tiny scraps they're currently handed by billionaire owners.
Look at someone like multi-time All-Star Antoine Walker who sacrificed the prime of his life to these billionaires then when he's finally used up from the horrible working conditions they first drastically cut his pay and then later he's cast off to fend for himself with no support from anyone. Or someone like Darius Miles who is now forced to carry guns through airports probably because he was forced into a life of drug smuggling after being thrown into the street by the owners.
How would you like it if your bosses made tons of money, gave you a little bit of it, then just because your performance dropped they cut your pay by 50-90% and eventually just left you to die in the street?
The fans should be standing in the streets arm in arm with the players making sure nobody could enter the arenas until the owners cave. And if the owners refuse, it's time to use force.
Then the players might finally be getting a fair share.
SteveHTOWN wrote:koberulz wrote:SteveHTOWN wrote:One could say, there are no cheaper basketball players who could play to NBA standards. But even with less money it would be still a quiet profitable "job" which attracts enough young talents. Sooner or later NBPA will accept an offer that cuts their (BR)Income...
That makes no sense. "The players need to take a paycut, otherwise they're going to have to take a paycut".
What?
Not quite true. Players should take a paycut or may face (permanent) substitution.
SteveHTOWN wrote:Btw if my personal performance drops to much I get fired. Period.
koberulz wrote:SteveHTOWN wrote:koberulz wrote:SteveHTOWN wrote:One could say, there are no cheaper basketball players who could play to NBA standards. But even with less money it would be still a quiet profitable "job" which attracts enough young talents. Sooner or later NBPA will accept an offer that cuts their (BR)Income...
That makes no sense. "The players need to take a paycut, otherwise they're going to have to take a paycut".
What?
Not quite true. Players should take a paycut or may face (permanent) substitution.
Big deal. Plenty of other places they can earn millions of dollars.
koberulz wrote:SteveHTOWN wrote:Btw if my personal performance drops to much I get fired. Period.
Also true of NBA players. What's your point?
benji wrote:How would you like it if your bosses made tons of money, gave you a little bit of it, then just because your performance dropped they cut your pay by 50-90% and eventually just left you to die in the street?
SteveHTOWN wrote:Maybe not millions but more than the average worker in ten years.
Maybe I should give an explanation: I think it is harder to lose a job than just getting less money, especially if you earn at least hundreds of thousands of dollars.
NovU wrote:Makes me wonder how many veterans will come out out of shape next season if this season's wiped.
SteveHTOWN wrote:Real NBA superstars can't afford to stay away from the NBA for too long.
NBA does not only mean player contracts but also merchandising etc. E.g. I do not think a player who play at Panathinaikos (Greece) will get the same contract from Jordan brand as one who plays for the Knicks.
koberulz wrote:SteveHTOWN wrote:Real NBA superstars can't afford to stay away from the NBA for too long.
Because the NBA pays them so much. If the NBA was paying them less than Europe, they'd be in Europe in an instant.
benji wrote:rayallen20 wrote:What if you let them play a real game? 5 on 5?
The former team (Walker-Rose-Pedja-Anderson-Fisher) would vaporize the latter team off the face of the earth. They have gobs of rings, the latter team has one ring combined. Anyone who doesn't have a ring is worthless especially compared to those who won rings.
Real basketball fans know this, anyone with a ring is better than anyone without one automatically.
Learn about the game already, maybe you could try watching it to start.
These so called stars make too much money as it is and is the main reason why I do not support them by buying into their movies/sports/etc. These stars make millions upon millions in the US then go and spend it in other countries. There is no reason why they should be making more money in one month then most people wont even see in a life time. Thus, until things change I will do my best to keep my money from supporting their pays.
koberulz wrote:Sorry, but you're going to have to come up with an argument that amounts to slightly more than the internet equivalent of a toddler stomping his foot and saying "I DON'T WANNA!"
Nobody in the NBA gives a shit about you. They certainly don't care about you enough to take a paycut of millions of dollars if it's avoidable. If they were all so concerned about your feelings, this lockout wouldn't happen in the first place.
benji wrote:rayallen20 wrote:What if you let them play a real game? 5 on 5?
The former team (Walker-Rose-Pedja-Anderson-Fisher) would vaporize the latter team off the face of the earth. They have gobs of rings, the latter team has one ring combined. Anyone who doesn't have a ring is worthless especially compared to those who won rings.
Real basketball fans know this, anyone with a ring is better than anyone without one automatically.
Learn about the game already, maybe you could try watching it to start.
x-uNdErRaTeD-z wrote:koberulz wrote:Sorry, but you're going to have to come up with an argument that amounts to slightly more than the internet equivalent of a toddler stomping his foot and saying "I DON'T WANNA!"
Nobody in the NBA gives a shit about you. They certainly don't care about you enough to take a paycut of millions of dollars if it's avoidable. If they were all so concerned about your feelings, this lockout wouldn't happen in the first place.
Easy to say when you're not in the states.
I've watched plenty of games and I doubt these guys would go to Europe just for money. Well it is money but these guys may feel better playing at home rather than a country far away.
And calm down man all you want is to argue with people, as I can see pior to looking at your older posts.
Andrew wrote:I say they're not in the grand scheme of things, it's relative to the industry. There's a lot of money in professional sports and athletes are entitled to their share of it. There was a time in professional sports where athletes certainly wouldn't be making that much more than anyone else and that's still the case in some sports (pro netballers in Australia don't have big salaries as I understand it, they actually have other jobs as well), but the NBA has grown well beyond that and the revenue facilitates huge player salaries.
Certain players may be overpaid given their abilities and performance but that's the fault of the individuals who were foolish enough to offer them those contracts in the first place.
SteveHTOWN wrote:In my opinion the NBA has one big problem: players who just warm the bench or complete the roster get paid to much.
koberulz wrote:But whose fault is that? The owners/GMs. Not the players.
koberulz wrote:And just because people don't necessarily pay to see you doesn't mean you should be paid less. In an ideal world without idiot owners/GMs, everyone's pay would be roughly equal to their importance to the team winning, but there's no need for a massive gap.
NovU wrote:SteveHTOWN wrote:In my opinion the NBA has one big problem: players who just warm the bench or complete the roster get paid to much.
Might be true but I'm thinking that it's not those bench players' fault that they're getting paid much. There are many teams that will offer big contracts to overrated players. Players these days easily can get overpaid since there're more than enough teams that seek for their service. There're only handful of true stars and many of them prefer playing only for certain cities. This forces smaller market teams to chase after left overs by giving them more than what they really deserve. I think that was the case with players like Joe Johnson and Hedo Turkglu.
NovU wrote:koberulz wrote:But whose fault is that? The owners/GMs. Not the players.
IMHO Stern and cos. I am thinking Lebron was absolutely right about there being too many teams nowadays. To borrow a quote from some article, "There are too many teams, which is a big reason why the NBA has increasingly become a league of the rich and the poor." Poor teams often makes wrong investment and have to deal with financial crysis which follows. It's rare true superstars want to sign with them but rather they end up overpaying 2nd tier stars that rarely live up to the contract.
NovU wrote:koberulz wrote:And just because people don't necessarily pay to see you doesn't mean you should be paid less. In an ideal world without idiot owners/GMs, everyone's pay would be roughly equal to their importance to the team winning, but there's no need for a massive gap.
Very true. And that is player association's stance at the moment I believe.
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