Found a way to make CPU Superstars & PGs to be more dominant

[TC#10]

Updated with final Defensive Awareness # and On-ball Defense #
Hey guys, not sure if this should be in the slider thread or not but I've decided to make a new thread since I found an amazing way to get the CPU Star player and Point Guards to be more aggressive on the Offensive side. I noticed that right from the start that the Chris Paul's, Tony Parker's, Devin Harris' would not score much when I played against them even though in real life they get inside the lane alot which I didn't see when I played 2K9 initially. But after several months of experimenting, I found a way to get these types of PGs to be more aggressive instead of just passing it to their teammates only. What I did was I lowered the user's Defensive Awareness to 0 and user's On-Ball Defense to 0. Lowered User's Help Defense Strength to 23 and raised the Cpu's Attack the Basket tendency to 50.

The logic behind this is that the User's Defensive Awareness was too high at 50, the CPU's elite point guard did not want to drive on me when it was this high and that they usually set up plays and only attempt shots when the shot clock is down, but once I lowered it, Devin Harris, Chris Paul would call their own number at times drive on me alot more at the beginning of plays, also I saw animations that I have never seen before because of this. I even tried raising the Cpu's Attack the Basket to 54 with my User's Defensive Awareness at the default 50, but this did not do anything. So I concluded that the key was to lower the User's Defensive Awareness to 0 and lowering user's On-Ball Defense to 0 which was effective.

Remember:
User's Defensive Awareness = 0
User's On-Ball Defense = 38

BTW before each game I make sure that the elite Point guards (Devin Harris, Chris Paul....) and Star player's (Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Granger) shot tendency and drive tendency to at least the high 80s so that they take the majority of the close, mid shots while driving to the basket alot. And also I have my Cpu's take fadeaways at 54 to balance out the driving game (I see Carter take alot of fadeaways and is not only looking to drive to the hoop)

P.S. Mods if you decide to close this thread since you think that it should be in the slider's thread plz move this to the slider thread cause I think it's just an amazing discovery and that it has improved my game experience dramatically since I was getting pissed off with the CPU's PG's unwillingness to drive and score even though they are big name guys.

[GuCcI08]

can you upload ur current slider setting and post gameplay settings include tha foul settings also.

[Angelo]

Nice find bro TC

[TC#10]

I think one of the CPU offensive mindset works like this:

1) Give the ball to the player who has the largest Offensive (player on offense) - Defensive Awareness (user player on defensive) Difference. Let's say Lebron James (CPU) had an offensive awareness rating at 99 and Jason Kapono (user) had a defensive awareness rating of 50 and they were playing against each other. The CPU would calculate the difference between the two awareness so therefore 99-50 = 49 and conclude that this is the matchup the computer would want to exploit because of the huge difference.

So that is why I lowered user's defensive awareness since I believe that the user's defensive awareness was too high at 50 and therefore the difference between cpu's offensive awareness and user's defensive awareness was not large enough. Now that there's more seperation between the awarenesses, the cpu's PG will now try to drive in and score more often, but if my settings do not work since you have a defensive minded PG on the user's team, you may want to edit that specific player's defensive awareness in the edit player screen.

[TC#10]

Just an update: I lowered User's Defensive Awareness down to 0, raised User's On-ball Defense to 50 and raised CPU's finish strong slider to 55. Getting better results with this

[thelegend23]

very nice TC#10 i already tried and it really works,finally superstar player are playing like a superstar

[TC#10]

very nice TC#10 i already tried and it really works,finally superstar player are playing like a superstar

Cool bro, I'm still experimenting with this, right now i have my user's defensive awareness at 0 and my user's on-ball defense 38 cause I noticed that when my on-ball defense was at 50, my teammates would play defense too tight which limited the amount of animations the cpu could perform, but now there's more freedom for the cpu to perform more moves.

So my updated numbers are user's Defensive awareness = 0 and user's On-ball defense = 38.

[thelegend23]

ok bro i'll gonna try it again lets see if there is some improvement i will tell you if its ok,thanks.

[shadowgrin]

I have no problem with the CPU using its star players to score. Gay and Mayo just torched me (Detroit) with 30 and 20 plus points respectively. I forgot to get a screenshot and I'm embarrassed to post it anyway if I had it. I lost by a 20-point margin.
I'm using Blue Lightning's Sliders.

[TC#10]

I have no problem with the CPU using its star players to score. Gay and Mayo just torched me (Detroit) with 30 and 20 plus points respectively. I forgot to get a screenshot and I'm embarrassed to post it anyway if I had it. I lost by a 20-point margin.
I'm using Blue Lightning's Sliders.

What about the likes of Devin Haris, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Tony Parker? Do these Superstar PGs get into the lane score enough?

[thelegend23]

Bro i think you need to try blue lightnings sliders,i already try it all i can is awesome! i played against Jazz boozer and d. williams torched me,the cpu creates more spacing.

[jusagamerk26]

can you post blue lightning sliders here? thank you!

[TC#10]

Chris Paul just burnt me with 30pts and 15ast. The game is awesome now it's playing really good. Parker was lighting me up with 24pts and 7ast in another game. I think the reason is since the user's on-ball defense was too high, and at 38 it's perfect cause the cpu is not constricted. Also defensive awareness is at 0 for me and it's really opening the game up for the cpu to make moves, you just have to lower the offense sliders for the cpu to compensate since they will make shots at a higher rate but now they are afraid of taking more mid-range jumpers and pgs are driving into the lane now too.

[Angelo]

Just post your sliders here

[TC#10]

Just post your sliders here

As requested: http://www.mediafire.com/?lzzhm3zdmmy

[Angelo]

thanks

[Al Ka Pwn]

thanks for telling us about this. made my games more realistic and fun.

[shadowgrin]

What about the likes of Devin Haris, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Tony Parker? Do these Superstar PGs get into the lane score enough?

I'm using Blue Lightning's v2 sliders with a little modification of some sliders. Tried your suggestion, seems like they are more concerned about setting up plays than scoring, but I solved that problem by raising the Attack the Basket Rating from 30 to 35.
Played a game again and Chris Paul will slash to score if there is even a little space in the lane . He got 21 pts. and 12 asts.

can you post blue lightning sliders here? thank you!

BL SLIDERS v2
Note that Blue Lightning hasn't yet updated this (to my knowledge) after the patch.

(User/CPU)
OFFENSE
45/40
50/50
50/45 (User is set to 55 in mine. I suck at 3's, even in NBA Live. The 55 is just right to sink a 3 when open and clank it if I force it)
50/40
40/30
30/30
70/70

DEFENSE
50/50 (User in mine is set to 55. Enough to pick off the ball when the CPU is making bonehead passes but not enought to cheese)
45/43

ATTRIBUTES
50/50
25/25
75/75
50/50
80/70
65/40
60/60 (CPU is set to 50 in mine, but they still have a bit of an excess oreb. I may have to raise the USER def reb rating below to compensate for that excess because I don't want to lower it less than 50.)
50/50 (See note above)
50/45
50/40
50/50
40/40
50/50
50/50
55/40
40/15
50/50
60/40
50/50

TENDENCY
50/25
50/75
50/45
50/30 (mine is set to 35 for CPU, see post above why)
25/25
50/40
50/55
50/55
20/50
50/40
50/50 (User is set to 55 in mine .)
55/65
65/50
45/45
70/45
60/60

[Angelo]

thanks grin

[Al Ka Pwn]

hey tc #10, is the neon project for pc worth installing the official patch for?
because I am having quite a lot of fun with your sliders.

[TC#10]

hey tc #10, is the neon project for pc worth installing the official patch for?
because I am having quite a lot of fun with your sliders.

I have not tried Neon's PC Roster since it is suggested that you should use default sliders with the Neon's Roster. I'm having fun with my sliders and I don't want to ruin it so I am not planning on switching to neon's rosters just yet.

[MadLaker]

I'm using Alby's rosters and sliders and settings and etc.... (vr 5)
They're quite ok, BUT those sliders and rosters give U a challenge only on HOF.
AND there are way to many PiP. (more than 50% of all points, even 2/3)

@TC#10: Are you not experiencing that problem? Do you have a lot of jumpshots and realistic play?
What Rosters and etc would U suggest?
I'm usually playing 7 min.....

thnx bro

[TC#10]

I'm using Alby's rosters and sliders and settings and etc.... (vr 5)
They're quite ok, BUT those sliders and rosters give U a challenge only on HOF.
AND there are way to many PiP. (more than 50% of all points, even 2/3)

@TC#10: Are you not experiencing that problem? Do you have a lot of jumpshots and realistic play?
What Rosters and etc would U suggest?
I'm usually playing 7 min.....

thnx bro

I'm just using the default updated NBA 2K9 roster. The PIP for the cpu is usually 45% of the Cpu's scoring and with my slider the Superstars and Point Guards (Rose, CP3, D. Harris, Parker etc) are aggressive and taking over games like in real life.

[MadLaker]

@TC#10
But the biggest problem is that USERS PiP is way to high (cpu is about 50%, yes).
I mean, i could just take more jumpshots and etc BUT really cpu should force me to do that!

Which sliders u're using now? original w/ the changes above or someone else's?

[TC#10]

You can raise the cpu's tendency to play the passing lanes which will increase the difficulty for you to pass the ball down to a low post player and decrease the close shot and layup offense sliders so it'll be harder for the ball to go in at close range. Currently i'm using my own sliders with the original roster update that came with the Official Patch.