juza nba 2k9 "neon project" i'm done till 2k10......

[juza1971]

Hello community ,as the thread states, i'm going to receive soon all datas from Neon, the guy who created and applied his specific theory to this game ( please check his thread http://www.operationsports.com/forums/n ... ncies.html ) , to convert all inputs to pc format. Every tendency has been rated using his formulas based off on the real stats for each player. Once i reiceve all infos it will take less than 15-20 days to be completely developed.
please do not post request for partial spreedsheet or roster ,they will be ignored.
Sliders must be at default, so no more sliders - adjustment.
settings are included in the package..

SLIDERS UPDATE V. 4.0.1:
1- FIXED REBOUNDS
2- FIXED STEALS
3- FIXED CPU / USER COMMIT FOULS

Everything has been developed to achieve the best gameplay so...enjoy and have fun with it.

http://www.fileden.com/getfile.php?file ... 04.0.1.rar

Please use roster included below ( version 4.0 )




JUZA ROSTER V 4.0 RLSD:


shoe pack 5.0:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rxingl

juza roster 4.0:
http://www.fileden.com/getfile.php?file ... %204.0.rar

1. ROSTER UP TO DATE 04.27.2009
2. FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH SHOE PACK 5.0 ( many greetings to chinoy )
3. ADDED NEW PLAYERS LIKE MARCUS WILLIAMS, DONTELL JEFFERSON,JOE CRAWFORD, CARTIER MARTIN ( PORTRAITS IN IFF FORMAT WILL BE RELEASED SOON)
4. FIXED SALARIES
5. ADDED SOME PORTRAITS
6. FIXED ACCESSORIES ( thx to the great WORK OF CHINOY )
7. A NEW IMPROVED SET OF SLIDERS
8. FIXED BODY TYPES









VERSION 3.0.8 RLSD: RE-EDITED OVERALL TENDENCIES TO CREATE MORE SEPARATIONS BETWEEN STRONG TEAMS AND AVARAGE ONES..HOPE YOU HAVE FUN WITH IT:[/color]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/df8tmw





VERSION 3.0.7 RLSD:

http://www.fileden.com/getfile.php?file ... elease.rar


1) correct starting five line-ups and fixed rotations
2) improved sliders
3) settings changed due to the mentioned new set of sliders

have fun.

NEW SLIDERS VERSION PROVIDED BY ORAEON FROM OPERATION SPORTS:
For those who don't know I have extensive statistics for each team in the NBA as well as an obsessive personality. The fundamental problem with NBA 2k is that the teams take to many close/layup/dunks and not enough short2 and Mid/Long2's. Since close shots average 57% going in vs 38% for short2/MId/Long2's this leads to high shooting percentages. This is worsened by the games unreasonably high success rates for layups and close shots (~80%; this number is really around 60%; confirmed with real NBA games). This leads to a very high PIP.

I watched and recorded stats on numerous NBA games and compared them to my stats from 82games.com. Then I made sliders and performed exhaustive testing in game to see if the CPU would have realistic stats (all CPU vs player games had stats manually recorded). This final set has been tested in 8 games without change with very close to published values (some variation is expected).

NOTE: If you play the game in a constant inside shooting style or other technique you may not get the desired results. If so you may need to modify the sliders. Do NOT change the tendency sliders but alter your player shot success to get the follwoing stats, the slider you may most have to alter is Commit fouls as it is most impacted by your playing style:

% going in:
Close = 57%
Short 2 = 37%
Mid range = 38%
Long 2 = 39%
3pt = 35%

# shots and % taken (varies by team this is aggregate):
FG attempts = 80.5
Close + Dunk + Layup = 28 (35%)
Layup = 17 (21%)
Med + Short 2 (shots not in the paint)= 35 (44%)
3pta = 18 (36%)

SLIDER SET (anything not mentioned is at 50):

SHOT CPU/Player
Close 43/50
Mid 50/50
3pt 50/52
Layup 40/42
Dunk 50/50
DIT 30/30
Screen 50/50

DEFENSE CPU/Player
Steal 40/50
Help D 50/50

Attributes CPU/Player
Block 47/47
Off Reb 100/90
Def Reb 38/38
Vert 0 / 50
Hands 0 / 50

TENDENCY CPU/Player
Close 50/50
Mid 85/85
3pt 50/50
Attack 50/50
Finish St 70/70
Commit F 55/85
Go for Steal 40/40

Foul sliders use my own set.
This will likely have to be individualized, I play with real world numbers of midrange and layups. These fouls sliders will not work if you drive to the basket everytime (i.e. computer will have too many fouls). Note that these sliders seem extreme but if the computer takes the correct number of midrange shots it is hard for the CPU to get the 25 Free throws a game that the NBA has (I know this seems like a lot of FT but this is realism and reduces PIP since almost all fouls are on layups--NBA strategy is no easy layups). If you drive alot you may need to reduce CPU commit fouls. If you are fouling to much (harder to do) then reduce Player commit fouls. Games will vary between 15-33 FT per game so don't make a decision on a single game.
--Charging 100
--Blocking 100
--Shooting fouls 85
--Loose ball fouls 100
--Reach in fouls 60


Skill level: Allstar
Game speed: 48
Minutes: 10


VERSION 3.0.6 RLSD:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frqunw

1- new overall ratings for some players ( for inst. Rose, Mo Williams ,T.Young etc..) to avoid illogical cpu trade in aso mode
2- definite sliders: they greatly improve gameplay
3- related settings.









VERSION 3.0.5.1 HAS BEEN NOW PERFECTLY MATCHED WITH SHOE PACK V4.0. MANY GREETINGS GO TO CHINOY316 WHO DID THIS HUGE AND DIRTY WORK:


http://www.sendspace.com/file/4jv60n












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version 3.0.5.1 ( perfectly matched with shoe pack v3.0 ):


- commentary issue fixed ( credits to chinoy)
- krstic / Bonsu Mensah ( credtits to Chinoy and just3n21)
- injured roster ( credits to just3n21)
- uninjured roster
- coach profiles definitely fixed
- salaries fixed
- accessories fixed ( credits to chinoy )

http://www.fileden.com/getfile.php?file ... ersion.rar













JUZA ROSTER FINAL UPDATE version 3.0.5: roster is now definitely completed and every player tendency and coach profile is up to date:

http://www.fileden.com/getfile.php?file ... 0fixed.rar COACH PROFILES FIXED: THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS COMPLETELY WRONG..APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE.

any further modification will be done only for the next shoe pack v4.0.please download shoe pack 3.0 and missing portraits from the link below ( eta version 3.0.1)












ETA VERSION V3.0.1 RLSD:

http://www.2shared.com/file/5016715/de5 ... _v301.html

- shoes pack v3.0 included ( roster perfectly compatible)
- cpu "drivin insane the lane" drastically reduced
- last trades till 03.06.2009
- decreased close shot for big man ( C PF ) ( due to the huge user fg % also on all star level )
- decreased stamina for all players
- revisited many shot frequencies
- superstars now are very impressive and more dominant than before
- re-edited coach profiles:
a) create more space between the ball handler and the defender to guarantee more mid js
b)increased zone difense for each team by 35: due to this i lowered mid shot qualities for PG SG and SF in the same percentage.

V 3.0 RLSD :
http://files.filefront.com/13409239

- ALL TRADES TILL 03/04/2009
- FIX " DRIVIN INSANE THE LANE" ISSUE FOR ALL STAR LEVEL
- SHOE PACKAGE 3.0 ( THX TO XIAJOU )
- BETTER ROTATIONS FOR EACH TEAM
- DEFINITE SHOT TENDENCY FORMULA FOR A " MORE LOGICAL ASSOCIATION TRADE MODE"
- 40 MISSING /UNCOMPLETE PORTRAITS .TPF FORMAT (TEXMOD) ( MANY GREETINGS TO AVATAR0)
- IMPROVED FB

VERSION 2.5 RLSD:

http://www.fileden.com/getfile.php?file ... 5%20UI.rar






- all salaries
- new trades till 02/25/2009
- improved sigshots
- fixed gears / jersey numbers due to the new trades
- related team rotations adjusted
- a new shot tendencies formula scale for each player to create more separation between superstars /allstars/ average player for a more logical trade association mode
- new settings for a "10 minutes" formula
- re-edited coachprofiles fixing offensive tempo and fast-break
- sorry no shoes yet rlsd..maybe soon..........
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VERSION 2.0 RLSD:

- new coach profile for a better "cpu 3pt attempt" distribution
- update all gears
- better rotation due to the last trades 2/19/2008
- improved sighshots, free throw rituals



VERSION V 2.0:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/12/8/ ... %202.0.rar

SPECIAL CREDIT TO KRIS FOR HIS GREAT HELP IN IMPROVING THIS GAME.

Roster basic infos:

1. you must install 2ksports patch
2. all trades till 02-15-08
3. all shoes update post patch
4. better starting five / rotation / minutes update
5. player accessories update
6. implemented Kruza's playbook for each team
7. coach profiles update according to the new revolutionary "Neon
theory".

2/16/2009 TEAMS completed:

76ERS
BLAZERS
BOBCATS
BUCKS
BULLS
CAVS
CELTICS
CLIPPERS
GRIZZLIES
HAWKS
HEAT
HORNETS
JAZZ
KINGS
KNICKS
LAKERS
MAGIC
MAVS
NETS
NUGGETS
PACERS
PISTONS
RAPTORS
ROCKETS
SPURS
SUNS
THUNDER
T-WOLVES
WARRIORS
WIZARDS

[Kris]

are you sheva07 ?

[GuCcI08]

definitely lookin forward to this. no slider adjustment saves alot of time.

[wade_03]

The latest trade is actually Bobcats and Lakers doing the radman morrison deal

[Al Ka Pwn]

interesting. *adds to favs*

[TC#10]

Yup I've been reading the boards at operationsports and boy am I glad that you will be releasing the roster with Neon's Player tendency here at nba-live.com Been waiting for this for a long time but it'll be worth it!

[Kris]

he will not only be editing the tendencies but also the ratings of all players ill definitely be waiting for this since the console version of this is so good..

[yk81bt]

I heard about Neon Roster from my friend who has XBOX360. He said it awesome but need some fix about slider.

Anyway, I also wait this great work and we can get it asap after trade dead-line(2/19).

[juza1971]

I heard about Neon Roster from my friend who has XBOX360. He said it awesome but need some fix about slider.

Anyway, I also wait this great work and we can get it asap after trade dead-line(2/19).

no fix..everything has to be left on default. Maybe your friend played with the previous uncompleted version....

[juza1971]

are you sheva07 ?

yup.

[Kris]

did you also adjusted the ratings of all players? since neon also edited every players ratings

[juza1971]

did you also adjusted the ratings of all players? since neon also edited every players ratings

maybe you re a little confused man..when i said " i will convert all neon datas to pc"...what did i mean for?

[chinoy316]

No more Dwight averaging 9RPG? Awesome!

[Kris]

ow my bad

[wtferrell]

Sounds good. Can't wait for release.

[lakers24-fan]

"Sliders must be at default, so no more sliders - adjustment"

Its joke?

[juza1971]

"Sliders must be at default, so no more sliders - adjustment"

Its joke?

check this:http://www.operationsports.com/forums/nba-2k-sliders/286790-gameplay-possibly-fixed-check-out-coach-sliders-tendencies.html


the best nba 2k9 experience ever had.

[juza1971]

The latest trade is actually Bobcats and Lakers doing the radman morrison deal

i did it.

[juza1971]

"Sliders must be at default, so no more sliders - adjustment"

Its joke?

i have to adjust manually more than 15000 tendencies... ....

[chinoy316]

"Sliders must be at default, so no more sliders - adjustment"

Its joke?

Man you need to shut the F*** up. Every roster thread all you do is complain.

[chaodck]

Great news dude!!
Can you give us some snapshots with the season stats when it's finished?? This will work for sim stats and also for a great gameplay??

Thanks, I'll start my association when this is released!!!

[Spotlight]

Really looking forward to this one! Doesn't have association yet so probably will start a new one with this roster! Good luck juza1971, hope you finish converting soon!

[Leander]

Looking forward to this one! When will it be out? Do you use shoe patch 2.0 or the default shoes?

[wonderBOi]

i'll be starting a new dynasty after this is already done.. looking forward to this..

[juza1971]

Looking forward to this one! When will it be out? Do you use shoe patch 2.0 or the default shoes?

when will it be out exactly? i don't know which will be the deadline. I have a family, a social life, practice some sports.
I install shoe patch 2.0.

[chinoy316]

Yeah dudes. Be patient. This takes a LOT of time.

[Crescento]

I've been waiting for it long time...
It's nice to know it will be worked with real shoes patch also...

[juza1971]

update 1st post.

[n00bkill]

really sweet

[J-SMOOVE 5]

viewtopic.php?f=86&t=63557 will you wait 4 this?

[juza1971]

http://forums.nba-live.com/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=63557 will you wait 4 this?

i spent all my free time on editing more than 15,000 tendencies. have to fix minor tweaks like rotations,substitutions,shoes etc..so....

[juza1971]

i need also to point out some questions:
do not ask me to explain any "weird" meaning of player rating tendencies..they've been created by the author so i'm not able to do that.
focus your attention to the gameplay ..it's awesome and incredibly realistic.
feel free to post your reply concerning any issue about stats,rotations,player minutes in order to improve it.

[J-SMOOVE 5]

I understand, I just asked will you include Dunk and Isomotions packages that are still locked...

[Leander]

Juza You said that sliders should stay at the default values as you edited all player ratings. Sounds good BUT: I fear this won't work in association mode. The computer generates rookies for the draft with default ratings. They will be much better than your edited real NBA players. Live 2003 had the same problem. Ratings were tweaked but new cpu-generated rookies got normal ratings and were better.

Of course we could edit ALL rookies manually after each season but this does not sound like fun.

What are your thoughts on this?

[chinoy316]

Guys, he's editing THOUSANDS of ratings for us to use these rosters and you can't try to edit like 60? Cmon.
Hey, juza1971, try this site. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba for the accesories.

[Leander]

Chinoy I do not want to edit all the rookies. I want to play. Moreover, "we" (the users of this patch) do not even know how players have been tweaked. We cannot bring rookies to the same level.
I'll wait for the patch to be released but maybe I will stick to 2k9's official post-patch roster and update transactions myself.

[chinoy316]

There's always a downside to all these rosters. There's never a "perfect" roster. It's up to you man.

[thelegend23]

well leander is perfectionist he wants a perfect game

[juza1971]

Yeah, the generated rookies is what tipped him off to the shooting tendencies. A small handfull of generated rookies come in at 40,50,60 (usually the top 5 pick guys)...and that is the way it should be. Most of them come in with 20,30's...

But his thoery on the rookies is unless its just COMPLETELY out of scale you leave it alone. Your gonna suck the fun out of it, were being control freaks.

When LeBron entered the league we couldnt say "Hey your not allowed to run as fast as point guards because your 250-260. You know where im going? I mean Charles Barkley came into the league and was 6-4 and killed the glass, should we have turned his rebound ratings down because it wasnt "realistic"?

We should let the generated/not in the NBA people alone and let them develop into whatever they develop. If you get lucky you get lucky if you get a bust you get a bust. THAT is being realistic not changing the players into what we want them to be like.

A computer generated rookie is an entity on it's own. Supposed the CPU would have created Nate Robinson before he hit the scene. People would have been screaming bloody murder that a midget could dunk his behind off, block Yao Ming's shot and drive on dudes damn near twice his height. Whatever the CPU spits out so be it.

ON the other hand the rookies will be coming out based on default sliders so they'll always have an edge/disadvantage based on hisedits

[Leander]

Juza Do you only edit tendencies or also ratings? What formula do you use => how many % of the original values do you change?

[bynike]

Once i reiceve all infos it will take less than 15-20 days to be completely developed.

Oh my god. how kind you are. Im fucking love it. Good job !
-a chinese

[juza1971]

Juza Do you only edit tendencies or also ratings? What formula do you use => how many % of the original values do you change?

eh man, i'm just repeating sthe same things on and on..i convert all tendencies and rating and qualities and player position and substitution and minutes rotation....i think it's clear now...isn't it?

how many % for each player due to hidden maths formula completely unkown to me? i'm just laughing man.
if you need info please contact Neon or read his thread right here http://www.operationsports.com/forums/n ... ncies.html

My only purpose is to share his xbox roster to us pc owners and tha't what i'm going to do.So please avoid weird question just like "how many %" or " i found overall Parker rating less than Nash" and stuff like that.

it's your own choice to play it or not. That's all.

update 1st post.

[Leander]

Yes but if the e.g. contest shot tendency is lowered by 20% for all players I'd know that I will have to lower this value for generated rookies by 20% as well.

[Panco]

Looks like there's not much left Appreciate your effort Can't wait to try it, since that "enormous amount of points in paint" bug is really, really, I mean Really annoying.

[juza1971]

Yes but if the e.g. contest shot tendency is lowered by 20% for all players I'd know that I will have to lower this value for generated rookies by 20% as well.

well, make at your own bro..clear and simple.

[GuCcI08]

thanks fo tha release. well done bro. we appreciate it alot. and credits goes to neon

[Panco]

Thanks a lot for your work It must have been pretty boring Well whatever, I'll give it a try immediately.

btw, I heart that these rosters kinda ruin the whole "trading players engine". Is that true ?

[MacGyver666]

Juza, thanks for all your hard work. The whole idea of the edits is awesome. You know, i was wondering, with all that neon's formulas and help from some programmer you could do a updater software, which would check the nba stats, apply neon's formula and automaticaly edit the rosters and settings. Like a "LIVE 365 and Dynamic DNA" for NBA 2K9 instead of that creapy updates of 2K insider. Is that possible??

Cheers, and again, thanks for your work and effort.

[Kris]

Oh **** i cant wait to try this out when i get home

[Leander]

Tested the game with your settings. The gameplay is really great. Feels really different.
The Knicks are not the worst team in the league but in the game they are.
I also do not understand some ratings. Malik Rose is better than Nate Robinson and Duhon, e.g.
PFs in general seem to be better than guards.