Andrew's Chicago Bulls Dynasty (NBA Live 2004)

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Postby Ruff Ryder on Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:41 am

Maybe pip, he's getting a little old, whereas redd will be around for a while.
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Postby FanOfAll on Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:54 am

Bucks wouldn't trade Redd...

a deal with Toronto or Portland is more likely in real life at least.
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Postby Ruff Ryder on Fri Nov 21, 2003 11:07 am

This isnt real life! This is NBA Live! You can do what you want!!!!!! :D
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Postby Andrew on Fri Nov 21, 2003 11:33 am

I'm actually more interested in Milwaukee's first round pick, as they'll likely own the top pick. The way they're going, they're sure to end up with a top four pick.

Milwaukee 98, Chicago 92

Mind you, the Bucks did end their losing streak. I remembered how to play defense, as you can see by the final score. Last time it was Tim Thomas who lit me up; this time it was the player with the best name in the NBA, Joe Smith. I led at halftime 51-47, so I probably shouldn't have lost this one. My offense let me down in the second half. I could slow down their scorers, but I just couldn't close the gap. They pulled out of reach in the last couple of minutes, giving me a loss to the worst team in my Dynasty.

Chicago 94, Philadelphia 84

Did someone say defense? Both teams seemed more interested in D than O, as I trailed the Sixers 18-15 at the end of the first. The second period saw more of the same, with the Sixers leading 40-39 at the half. Glenn Robinson was injured after committing a defensive foul, the first time I've seen the defensive player injured.

Philadelphia pulled away in the third, at one point leading by 14. I must pause to once again state that this is where NBA Live 2004 is better than any other game in the series. Because you can actually play defense, it's possible to mount a comeback on the harder difficulty levels. I was therefore able to get back into the game, and the game remained close heading into the fourth.

I outscored them 32-18 in the fourth on route to the 94-84 victory. This was probably one of my favourite games of the season so far because of the defensive effort of both teams.

Injury Update: Glenn Robinson will be out two weeks because of the injury he sustained in the game. Philadelphia already has a losing record, so I guess that won't help them much.

Chicago 104, New Orleans 102

I don't remember much about this game, except that Eddy Curry was injured in the first half when he attempted to dunk on Shawn Kemp. He was cleared to return, so I immediately subbed him back in. Injured elbow and all, he managed to score 28 points, grab 18 rebounds, dish out 9 assists and block 2 shots. Oh, and we barely escaped with a 104-102 victory when Baron Davis's three bounced off the back iron.
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Postby Vins15 on Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:58 pm

good read btw wut game r u into the season?
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Postby Andrew on Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:33 pm

I'm now 20 games into the season, with a record of 12-8.

San Antonio 115, Chicago 111

I think I can best sum up this game as one I wanted to play but wasn't really paying much attention to. As a result, there were long stretches where there was little defense being played by both teams, and the final score would have been much higher if it wasn't for some poor shooting. Eddy Curry had another good game and Pippen had 21 points, but overall it wasn't a particularly exciting game despite the high score.
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Postby Mark. on Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:44 pm

Hey Andrew how do you play your D cos i always end up scoring between 100 - 140, my lowest scoring game being in a 111-107 loss to the lakers.....
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Postby Andrew on Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:56 pm

I try not switch players as much as possible. I also prefer to control my big men, as it allows me to switch to cut off penetrations off picks, and generally make sure the lane isn't wide open.
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Postby FanOfAll on Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:33 am

Have you tried playing less minutes Andrew? Because I use your sliders for 8 min qtrs and i get very realistic scores.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:55 pm

I prefer to play 12 minute quarters. I have been getting fairly realistic results, but sometimes I play fairly lazy D, which leads to shootouts and high scores.
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Postby Vins15 on Wed Nov 26, 2003 2:28 pm

andrew anymore new games u've played?i'd like to hear about them..
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Postby Andrew on Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:19 pm

I haven't had a chance to play any more games the last few days. As soon as I do, I'll post some more game reports, and maybe some stats.
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Postby Jase23 on Sat Nov 29, 2003 9:00 am

Hi Andrew, your going much better than me in my bulls franchise, im last in the league. I play superstar, 10minutes. Ive had rose injurred for a couple weeks though.... and injuries to crawford and gill aswell which has taken away alot of my scoring. I rely heavily on Rose! And struggle to get production out of curry. Ive actually dropped him out of the starting 5 and givin blount his first start of the season. My record is like 5-12. Looking forward to Jalen coming back. But for now we must go on without him! Think next game is against the spurs!
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Postby Andrew on Sat Nov 29, 2003 12:21 pm

I noticed Curry was having some ho-hum performances, but he's been playing well since I started giving him the ball more often.
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Postby Andrew on Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:01 pm

OK, I've played another game.

Milwaukee 95, Chicago 93

I applied my latest sliders and increased the difficulty to Superstar, and I had a pretty competitive game that came down to one final shot. With the Bucks leading 94-93 with 9 seconds remaining, I had little choice but to put Michael Redd on the line. He made the first, missed the second, I managed to get the rebound and called timeout.

I actually spent about a minute deciding whether to go for the win or try to send it into overtime. I figured it would be more exciting to go for the win. Rose's three missed badly, and I failed to get the offensive board. Milwaukee ran out the remaining seconds and I dropped another to the Bucks, leaving me with a 12-9 record. I'm also 1-2 in the season series with the Bucks, who remain the worst team in the league at 4-19.

My next game is against Indiana, hopefully I can break the losing streak.

A decision

After saving the game, I tried trading Rose, Marshall and Baxter to the Raptors for Jerome Williams, Antonio Davis and Chris Jeffries. The trade will go through if I want it to. I didn't save the game, as I'm still deciding whether I should make the trade and follow the roster of the real Bulls, or make my own deals. I'm ahead of the real NBA schedule so it wouldn't be exactly realistic to make the deal, though it would provide a challenge similar to the one the real Bulls are facing.

Any suggestions? Should I let John Paxson dictate my gaming experience? Or should I do what I think is best?[/b]
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Postby Power And Proud on Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:04 pm

Andrew. You are the General Manager now. You make the tough decisions.

I am thinking about dealing Larry Hughes for a defensive SF or SG, I just don't know who. Ron Artest keeps popping into my head, but I don't want to do anything too drastic, especially since how I'm on a 9 game winning streak.
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Postby Jase23 on Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:13 am

wow andrew, when i went to make the deal it wouldnt let me, toronto wouldnt accept. Are you using real salaries like me?

I have the same prob, dont know if I should do the trade or not. I think we should maybe make our own decisions based on our styles ......... especially seeing as the computer teams are doing their own deals anyways which have changed their teams from the real ones.
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Postby Mark. on Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:22 am

Hey Andrew you mentioned your new sliders, are they the ones at the sliders post? or havent you updated them.
I would only do the trade if its gonna benefit your playing style, personally i wudt do the trade if i was the bulls, cos you wont have many scorers.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:17 pm

MJForever wrote:Andrew. You are the General Manager now. You make the tough decisions.


I think that's how I'll play it, since I really don't like that Bulls-Raptors deal. :wink:

Jase23 wrote:wow andrew, when i went to make the deal it wouldnt let me, toronto wouldnt accept. Are you using real salaries like me?


No, I'm playing on the console. I'll probably start a PC Dynasty game after I release v1.01 of the current roster update.

match_66 wrote:Hey Andrew you mentioned your new sliders, are they the ones at the sliders post? or havent you updated them.


That's right, my latest sliders as seen in the sliders thread and also here in the Live 2004 section.

match_66 wrote:I would only do the trade if its gonna benefit your playing style, personally i wudt do the trade if i was the bulls, cos you wont have many scorers.


That's what I'm thinking. I might see how I go on Superstar with my latest sliders. If my current roster proves to be a problem, I might try shaking things up a little. But I won't do what Paxson did. :wink:

Thanks for your continued interest guys, I'll post more after I play a few more games. (Y)
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Postby Vins15 on Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:33 pm

c'mon do the trade plz...we Raps fans wanna get rid of Davis...how about sending Rose just for Davis or sumthing...try not to trade for Jerome Williams..
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Postby Andrew on Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:43 pm

But if I was the Bulls' GM, it never would have happened. :wink:
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Postby FanOfAll on Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:18 pm

I totally understand you not liking the trade Andrew (in real life). However, let my try to convert you.
In real life, Rose has been wanted out for awhile. He's been a cancer, a bad role model, a selfish player, a player who doesn't play D but yells at his teammates for not playing D. Then he takes the ball down the court and everyone knows that he's not going to pass. It sucks to give up Marshall, but you can't everything you want in a trade.
AD brings size to your frontcourt and a great mentor for Curry. Curry can't play defense for his life so AD can teach a few things (say what you want as Cartwright being a defensive center in his career, but he was the COACH not an assistant).
JYD brings more energy...imagine JYD and Tyson on the floor at the same time!!! That's all hustle in those players. In real life, Fizer will NOT cut it and Blount, as seen yesterday, can't shoot for beans...(man he bricks shots like no other).
However, there is a hidden bonus: the Bulls can now play Crawford at the 2 spot. He's a combo guard/street baller not really built to play the 1 in the NBA. HE doesn't have the instincts, the awareness, the experience, or the bball IQ to play 1. Nor the unselfishness...he's a score-first type guard and his better position is the 2, although he's a bit undersized.

This trade by Pax is more about chemistry, playing as a team, making sure the players fit the system, and adding defense, while subracting scoring. On the box score, you might not see a difference, but trust me, you will see a difference in the win column, espcially since Skiles has said that they will run (more reason to dump Rose!) ;).

The only bad part about this trade in real life...is the Bulls lost Lonny Baxter. Believe it or not, but he's a secret guy there with some ability to show the NBA what he can do. Don't say undersized - Barkely was 6'5", Baxter's 6'6". Baxter plays 110%...just needs some post moves...

The only bad part about this trade in the game, is that I understand the level of fun will mostly drop a bit, since after all, it's only a game and most ppl don't get pleasure from seeing JYD hustle and AD play D, making up for Curry's mistakes in a game...in a video game, I think we love to pour it on :D.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:57 am

Hmmm...I'd still rather not make the trade myself. :wink: I do see the positives in Chicago-Toronto deal, but I would have liked the KG trade that was rumoured during the offseason. :wink:
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Postby Mark. on Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:41 pm

Yeah or the Kobe one........
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Postby Andrew on Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:25 pm

Indiana 75, Chicago 71

A dedication to defense and poor shooting by both teams resulted in the second lowest score I've ever had playing 12 minute quarters in NBA Live. The score was 21-19 Indiana at the end of the first quarter, and 35-34 Indiana at halftime. The third quarter was much of the same, though I managed to take the lead with about 3 minutes left. The third quarter ended 48-45 in my favour, as the shooting percentages of both teams plummeted.

Both teams seemed to remember how to shoot in the fourth, and Reggie Miller, quiet throughout the first three quarters, exploded in the fourth and helped Indiana take the lead. While my defense remained strong, I couldn't finish at the other end, and the Pacers were able to remain out of reach for a 75-71 victory.

This current trend of great D but poor shooting down the stretch has me exploring a few trade possibilities. I'm looking to make a blockbuster that will bring in a star who can score in crunch time. Unfortunately, those players are few and far between, and aren't easy to acquire.

Rose/Marshall/Mason Jr for Iverson/Jackson

Iverson is one of the league's best scorers, and the Sixers are struggling. Ivy's lack of height might be a disadvantage, even with Crawford guarding the opposing shooting guard, but he's always a threat to score 40. Marshall hasn't been playing as well as his real life counterpart, and is the best player to package with Rose, since I'm not interested in trading Pip, Crawford, Curry or Chandler.

Unfortunately, the Sixers aren't interested in the deal. Unlike previous Lives, the CPU won't just accept a trade because the overall ratings are in their favour. They're very interested in Marshall and fairly keen on Rose, but they're not willing to give up Iverson.

Rose/Marshall for Garnett

I think I tried a few combinations, but this is the most appealing offer. KG would give me an awesome frontcourt teaming with Curry and Chandler, while Pippen and Crawford man the backcourt. Losing Marshall would not be such a blow if KG is coming the other way.

Unfortunately, Minnesota is near the top of the West and although they have interest in both Rose and Marshall, KG is a pretty special player and they're not about to let him go. Even if the Wolves were interested in dealing the Big Ticket, it would be a risky deal. As the console version was released before the real KG signed an extension, it isn't reflected in my Dynasty and thus he's free to leave at the end of the season. There's no guarantee that he'd want to stick around.

So, I'll continue to shop Rose, but I won't be making the deal with Toronto. It doesn't really solve the problems I'm having in my Dynasty.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:35 pm

Played another game.

Chicago 105, Orlando 64

I don't know what went wrong with Orlando, but they didn't have a good game. At the end of the first, I was leading 30-4. I was double-teaming a lot and T-Mac was also in foul trouble early; the game was over after 12 minutes. At halftime, I held a ridiculous 58-13 lead. They came back in the third, mainly because I wasn't playing very hard by that stage. Still, I held an 83-41 lead going into the final period. The last 12 minutes were basically both teams going through the motions, as I managed to snap a three game losing streak.

The game also raised Jalen Rose's stock. I'm now presented with three options:

Option 1: Keep the current roster

This team has gone 13-10, and isn't necessarily in need of sweeping changes. Still, the Orlando game is an exception, not the rule; it might be better to strengthen my roster while I have a chance.

Option 2: Rose/Fizer/Mason Jr for Garnett

KG would give me an awesome frontcourt, a star player who would have plenty of help from Pip and the three Cs. Fizer rarely plays and KG more than makes up for the loss of Rose. Roger Mason Jr isn't a key contributor to the team.

The only disadvantage is KG's contract - he's a free agent at the end of the season.

Option 3: Rose/Fizer/Mason Jr for Iverson/McCaskill

Same two players being traded for a superstar, with Mason Jr again being thrown in to give the Sixers even more incentive to trade. McCaskill is also coming the other way, and will likely be waived. Iverson equals instant offense, something that has been missing in close games down the stretch.

Iverson is only 6'0" though. Also, while he has the ability to deliver 40 points along with 10 assists, he can't do all the things KG can.

Both trades will be accepted by the CPU.
Neither trade is particularly realistic, though still pretty fair as far as the game is concerned.

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Postby Vins15 on Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:50 pm

i think ur wasting too much too players on one...i mean I know Iverson and KG are very special but this u wouldn't have as much overall game as before...and i don't think either team wants to trade their Megastar either...
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Postby Andrew on Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:34 am

I rarely use Fizer and Mason Jr, so it wouldn't be a big loss.

and i don't think either team wants to trade their Megastar either...


In real life, no. But as I said, I've tried both trades and I know they will both be accepted.
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Postby Ruff Ryder on Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:17 pm

I say keep your current team. But if you were to make the trade, go for KG. He's more versatile, young, and can play almost any position. Maybe if you could trade tyson chandler, marcus fizer, and mason jr., for KG. Then your team would be stacked.
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Postby Andrew on Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:20 pm

I decided to make changes. So, NBA.com style:

Chicago trades F Marcus Fizer, G Jalen Rose and G Roger Mason Jr to Minnesota for F Kevin Garnett.

Additionally:

Chicago signs free agent G Tim Hardaway.

Haven't played a game with the new lineup yet, though my new starting five will be:

C-Curry
F-Chandler
F-Garnett
G-Crawford
G-Pippen
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Postby Boyk on Sun Dec 07, 2003 8:39 pm

Garnett back at his natural position, i like it.

you have one of the best frontcourts i'd say.
Curry,Chandler,Garnett, nice. Curry and Chandler are still getting better so a great future for ya team :)
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Postby Vins15 on Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:48 pm

wow :shock: that is a heck of a team...best frontcourt there is i'd say..that may be even better than the Malone Shaq combo
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Postby Ruff Ryder on Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:38 pm

Can you post some season-stats or averages for your players?
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Postby Will on Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:23 pm

Chicago trades F Marcus Fizer, G Jalen Rose and G Roger Mason Jr to Minnesota for F Kevin Garnett.


Wow, I am surpised the other team actually did this trade, You ripped the other team off imo.
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Postby Andrew on Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:47 pm

ruffryder8 wrote:Can you post some season-stats or averages for your players?


I'll try to post some this weekend.

Wow, I am surpised the other team actually did this trade, You ripped the other team off imo.


Indeed. It actually hasn't worked out well for either team. We've both gone 1-2 since making the trade. I'll type up some stats and reports later.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:34 pm

I'm back with results, stats, and random comments.

Chicago 85, Detroit 68

KG's first game as a Bull yielded a victory. Slow paced game, the Pistons defended me pretty well but couldn't get it going on offense. I pretty much cruised to victory in the final minutes.

Cleveland 99, Chicago 96

KG's first game in the United Center as a member of the home team was spoiled by LeBron James and the Cavaliers. I had a chance to win to tie the game with a three, but as I tried to get Hardaway into position for a quick three, I picked up a five second violation. All Cleveland had to do was inbound the ball and run out the final 2.1 seconds.

Utah 64, Chicago 62

Yes, that's 64-62, the lowest score I've ever had playing 12 minute quarters, for any NBA Live. This game was just plain ugly. Both teams shot below 30%, and my scorers came up empty down the stretch. Obviously this was disappointing, as one of the reasons I acquired KG was to have a player who could step up and make shots when I needed them most.

New Jersey 100, Chicago 97

The losing streak continues, another distressing loss as the Nets were without the services of Jason Kidd, who is out with a broken bone in his foot. Not much to say, except I simply didn't play well enough in crunch time.

Cleveland 89, Chicago 81

The streak hits four, and I really shouldn't have lost this one. I led 23-12 at the end of the first, and played pretty well throughout. Unfortunately, I allowed the Cavs to get back into the game and they made a determined run in the fourth. In the final three minutes, they managed to pull out of reach as I missed a couple of big baskets and didn't make some stops.

Chicago 110, Washington 88

Determined to break the losing streak and gain revenge for the opening night loss, I got KG involved in the offense early and paid more attention to defense. I also inserted Kirk Hinrich into the starting lineup. Though Jerry Stackhouse would score 44, there was no way I was letting a fifth straight game slip away. The game was over at the end of the third, and the final result was a 110-88 victory.

Chicago 94, Miami 79

The game was pretty close throughout the first two and a half quarters, but through the latter part of the second half I pulled away for a comfortable lead. Again, I made sure KG got involved early, and although he didn't score much in the second half, he didn't need to. The last six minutes were basically going through the motions, picking up NBA Store/Dynasty points in the process.

Chicago 103, Minnesota 85

KG's return to Minnesota saw an awesome performance from the Big Ticket. He had 22 points, 20 rebounds, 6 assists and 4 blocks as his former team were downed 103-85. Minnesota were without Latrell Sprewell and Sam Cassell, though Wally World and Hudson both had good games. I also don't recall Rose being so effective from behind the arc, but it wasn't enough for the depleted Timberwolves.

My current starting lineup:
C: Curry
PF: Garnett
SF: Pippen
SG: Crawford
PG: Hinrich

Chandler is proving to be a very effective sixth man. Donyell Marshall has been playing much better as of late, while Kendall Gill and Eddie Robinson can usually be counted on to chip in here and there. Baxter, Blount and Hardaway usually get into the game in garbage time or if someone is in foul trouble, though they haven't played in a couple of recent games.

Baxter usually plays well given 10+ minutes of playing time, but there's too much talent ahead of him in the rotation. With Chandler playing more minutes at centre off the bench, Blount is playing few minutes. Tim Bug can still play, but with Hinrich, Crawford and Pippen all spending time at point guard, he doesn't usually get a lot of minutes unless the game is a blowout.

I'm really enjoying the season, especially now that I've settled on a rotation that seems to work and suits my style of play. My record is currently 17-14, 7th in the East.

Some stats:

Garnett: 23.3 ppg, 13.6 ppg, 1.9 bpg, 1.2 spg, 4.3 apg, 49.4% FG
Crawford: 17.2 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 0.3 bpg, 0.9 spg, 5.2 apg, 33.8% 3PT
Pippen: 16.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 0.4 bpg, 0.5 spg, 4.7 apg, 92% FT
Curry: 11.5 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 2.1 bpg, 0.1 spg, 2.5 apg, 56.9% FG
Chandler: 9.7 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 2.4 bpg, 0.3 spg, 1.9 apg, 56.7% FG
Gill: 6.2 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.3 bpg, 0.3 spg, 1.5 apg, 95.8% FT
Marshall: 5.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.9 bpg, 0.1 spg, 1.3 apg, 49% FG
Hinrich: 5.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.0 bpg, 0.6 spg, 3.4 apg, 89.7 FT%
Robinson: 4.4 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.1 bpg, 0.0 spg, 0.7 apg, 95.5% FT
Hardaway: 3.2 ppg, 0.2 rpg, 0.0 bpg, 0.4 spg, 0.8 apg, 54.5% FG, 66.7% 3PT
Baxter: 2.1 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.3 bpg, 0.0 spg, 0.2 apg, 100% FT
Blount, 1.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.2 bpg, 0.0 spg, 0.9 apg
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Postby Mark. on Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:06 pm

Great post!! i enjoyed reading it.
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Postby Jase23 on Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:57 am

Yes great posts Andrew, keep them coming. Im at a similar point in my Bulls dynasty aswell. Im currently on an 8 game winning streak which was just what we needed. Our record is still only 14-17, so the 8 game streak has brought us back into contention.
I am yet to do any trades in my dynasty.
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Postby diafenes on Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:04 am

Andrew, have you started a dynasty on the pc yet? cos I was wondering how your sliders stack up on pc?
I don't want to change mine yet (everything seems pretty good except for average around 120 per game) but I do want to get the score down.
so let us know how your going (if your on pc), then I'll probably change my sliders :wink:
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Postby Andrew on Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:47 am

I probably won't start a Dynasty game on the PC just yet, I'm enjoying this one too much. Right now I'm just using the PC version to make roster patches and to play exhibition games. I have tested my sliders on the PC version though, and there shouldn't be any problems. The gameplay is the same.
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Postby diafenes on Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:24 am

Andrew wrote:I have tested my sliders on the PC version though, and there shouldn't be any problems. The gameplay is the same.


(Y) thanks
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Postby Vins15 on Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:09 pm

Andrew r u gonna continue this awsome dynasty??
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Postby Andrew on Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:17 pm

I sure am. Didn't you see my latest recap? :?:
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Postby Bill Russell on Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:18 pm

No more updates Andrew? I enjoyed reading your thread while I can't get the game to work... Update it, please, :wink:
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Postby Andrew on Tue Dec 30, 2003 2:02 pm

I'll post some more recaps after a few more games. :)
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Postby Bill Russell on Wed Dec 31, 2003 7:00 am

What a lazy guy... (N) :D
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Postby Andrew on Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:37 am

I know, it's the height of laziness - not even playing video games. :wink:
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Postby Bill Russell on Wed Dec 31, 2003 3:06 pm

Humpf... Lazy boy... You are so lazy that you can't even sit on your couch and play some video games... What a lazy boy... I'm not comin' into this thread anymore... (N)
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Postby Andrew on Thu Jan 01, 2004 7:21 pm

Ah well, no point updating the thread anymore.

I'll post some more recaps tomorrow. (Y)
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Postby Boyk on Fri Jan 02, 2004 12:52 am

sorr yandrew a bit off topic, but did rod thorn really say that when thye drafted michael??
if so then MUHHAHHHAHHAH
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