PC version bug - Player detail = Ultra High - LAG!

[D3lit3]

Well I copied this from the 2k forums located here;

http://2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192090

Whenever I put the Player Detail to 'Ultra High' I get lower than 20 FPS all of a sudden.

Even I turn everything else to 'Low' except for the player detail I still get <20FPS.

BUT if I set everything to 'High' with 2xMSAA and I set Player Detail to 'High' as well (NOT Ultra High), then I get 50 FPS all off a sudden...smooth as butter!

So as soon as I set the Player Detail to Ultra High I get around 18 FPS, regardless of the other video settings. That's kind of odd and I was wondering if you could tell me if it's a glitch or something and if you would know a workaround, because I would really like to play with jerseys moving etc. on Ultra High.

My specs are;

Pentium D @ 3.9 Ghz
2GB RAM
8800GT

It seems like I'm not the only one with the problem, I was wondering if anybody could find a fix or workaround, we would appreciate it .

[cj_miranda23]

I believed u need a high end proccessor to run this game in ULTRAHIGH

quadcore
core 2 extreme

[Pelo87]

in my modest opinion, the problem is not about the CPU....

probably it can be a little bug of the game, or some drivers problems on your 8800GT... try o update them...

BTW hope u can solve it...

[Davis]

I'm not getting any lag at all on ultra high AA 8x

I have core 2 duo e8400 3.0ghz and ATi 4850

[deepen07]

the problem is the processor, i read that this game is optimized for dual core cpu's. so the pentium d won't cut it, no matter what ghz it is.

[D3lit3]

the problem is the processor, i read that this game is optimized for dual core cpu's. so the pentium d won't cut it, no matter what ghz it is.

well my mate has it and he has a q6600, I don't think that's the case.

Also tried beta drivers, same thing.

I did some testing in-game, with the player detail set to ultra-high (everything else on highest possible, 2xMSAA), and this is what I got;

- Dunk contest = 60+ FPS
- Practice = 100+ FPS
- NBA Blacktop 1 on 1 = 100 + FPS
- NBA Blacktop 3 on 3 = 40+ FPS

After that I tried 4 on 4, and that's where it started kicking in. Got 21 FPS max.

I hope 2k releases a fix or patch for this, maybe they need to optimize shaders or something.

[el badman]

This is obviously related to the GPU, not the CPU.

[JaoSming]

well let me compare to the original posters rig

Pentium D @ 3.9 Ghz - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600(2.40GHz)
2GB RAM - 2.5 because of vista for me
8800GT - same, Im not running SLI right now

The only difference is the processor and I run everything at max at 1680x1050 with fps in the high 50s or 60. It dips to 30 when I use 2k camera or when most people / the 360 chugs.

[xox]

I have Q6600 @ stock speeds and HD 4870 +4GB RAM and the FPS doesn't go under 80!Im telling you guys it's not a bug!It's in people's rig's...

[benji]

I didn't know that hardware deficiency was considered a bug now.

[Patr1ck]

This is not a bug.

When the players are set to ultra high they have moving jerseys. this is not handled by the GPU, but it is handled by the CPU. So far, dual core processors are the only ones that can run the game with players set to ultra high at a playable framerate. You can try lowering other graphics options to compensate, but I am not sure if that will make a difference.

[madmax17]

You have an answer in that very same thread but only for people with dual core or quad, being a 360 port, which has 3 logical cores, you shouldn't expect a game to run on ultra high with a single core

I noticed this: with Ultra-High players model settings, my framerate slows down from 60+ to 20 fps!
Now try this (ONLY WORKS WITH DUAL/QUAD CORE CPU):
- search for your "NBA 2K9" folder inside your C:\Documents and settings\...\ etc.
- inside there is a "Saves" folder, and inside this there is a "Config.cfg" file, open it up with notepad
- the last four lines should be:

.....
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_0 = 1
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_1 = -1
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_2 = -1
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_3 = -1
.....

NOW, if you have a dual core (like me), try to set the second lien to = 2 like this:

CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_0 = 1
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_1 = 2
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_2 = -1
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_3 = -1

and load the game... the framerate is almost doubled! Try for yourself!

I think that with a quad core you could enable also the other two threads using values 3 and 4... let me know!

I ask myself... how could it be possible? the Dual core cou are not correctly used without this fix?


EDIT: I also tried this:
STALL_CPU_ON_END_FRAME = 1
it seems to almost remove the jerkiness during camera fast moving, even though at cost of 1-2 fps (far better than without the first fix though...)



I believe I gained fps with this, I have dual core.

[Za man]

the problem is the processor, i read that this game is optimized for dual core cpu's. so the pentium d won't cut it, no matter what ghz it is.

What? Pentium d is not a single core pentium d is a dual core which is the recommended processor for the game. What you are talking about is core 2 duo or a higher processor like core 2 extreme or core to quad.

[Za man]

You have an answer in that very same thread but only for people with dual core or quad, being a 360 port, which has 3 logical cores, you shouldn't expect a game to run on ultra high with a single core

I noticed this: with Ultra-High players model settings, my framerate slows down from 60+ to 20 fps!
Now try this (ONLY WORKS WITH DUAL/QUAD CORE CPU):
- search for your "NBA 2K9" folder inside your C:\Documents and settings\...\ etc.
- inside there is a "Saves" folder, and inside this there is a "Config.cfg" file, open it up with notepad
- the last four lines should be:
.....
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_0 = 1
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_1 = -1
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_2 = -1
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_3 = -1
.....

NOW, if you have a dual core (like me), try to set the second lien to = 2 like this:

CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_0 = 1
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_1 = 2
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_2 = -1
CLOTH_LOGICAL_THREAD_3 = -1

and load the game... the framerate is almost doubled! Try for yourself!

I think that with a quad core you could enable also the other two threads using values 3 and 4... let me know!

I ask myself... how could it be possible? the Dual core cou are not correctly used without this fix?


EDIT: I also tried this:
STALL_CPU_ON_END_FRAME = 1
it seems to almost remove the jerkiness during camera fast moving, even though at cost of 1-2 fps (far better than without the first fix though...)



I believe I gained fps with this, I have dual core.

ya i found this post on the 2k official fourm and after trying it i actually gained me some FPS.

[D3lit3]

Yay now I'm playing at a stable 30 FPS. Still dips a bit when showing the whole crowd. I'll play around with it a bit more.

[jamaska]

how to know how much FPS i have??

[madmax17]

Download 'fraps' a free tool for recording, screenshoot taking and it also shows your fps.

[jamaska]

i got 30-35 fps...this is bad or this is good?

[D3lit3]

i got 30-35 fps...this is bad or this is good?

It's good .

[xox]

What to do with the other two lines when you have a quad?

[madmax17]

What to do with the other two lines when you have a quad?

You can try and set them to 3 and 4 respectively but I heard it makes no difference the game probably wasn't optimized for quad core. You can check with fraps and see if you notice the difference in fps.

[JWL3]

Pretty wicked that Take Two optimized it for multi-streaming. These programmers are incredible.

[NJNETSFANFORLIFE]

ah add me to the list.

the frame rate is very slow...maybe i should update my video card driver first...here are my specs:

AMD Dual Core X2 processor 3800+
Radeon X1600 512 MB
2046 of ram(2GBs)

EDIT:also the select team menu is kinda laggy when i pick teams and the vid in the background is slow as well.....does the video run from the cd or from the hard drive?

EDIT:Downloaded new driver and now its good.

[photek]

I have a core 2 duo @ 2.66 ghz with a 8800 gts and 4 gb ram and the game has lag even trying to use the config.cfg trick. I think it's a bug because my computer is able to play far cry 2 with the maximum settings yet this game lags even at the lowest resolution.

[Wonderland]

I have a dual-core Athlon processor, 2 gigs RAM, and an 8800GTS. Ultra High nearly kills the game, even with no MSAA.

For me to run a perfect 60 fps I run High player textures and MSAA at x2, which doesn't allow for MSAA quality settings. Still looks great and at runs great, but I'd like to have it maxed out if possible.