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Postby brad09390939 on Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:22 am

to BAYAG

SO,you only want to put/release 30 teams in final patch??

oh no!!!!!!

waht happen to your work??
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Postby BAYAG on Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:39 am

no there will be more than 30...I ran a test to see how many teams i could create until the game crashes. I think i made 57 teams, but i was getting random crashes.so basically im going to keep creating teams until i see crashes again.I think i can get at least 50 teams to work crash free.
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Postby brad09390939 on Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:46 am

but i have already made 70 teams in my classic team roster including the teams that you made.

there is nothing happen .
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Postby BAYAG on Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:28 am

Still working on it.... '75 champion GS Warriors

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Going to take a little vaction to vegas and cali in 3 weeks :lol: ...i want to get a couple more teams done before then. i'll keep you guys updated..
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Postby hokupguy on Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:59 pm

looks great man, to bad we cant have barry doing under hand free throws. :wink: . By the way would do you think of the last arena i sent you?
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Postby BAYAG on Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:16 pm

daddie9 havent tried the last 2 yet...
from the pics they look great....actually all your arenas look good..only part I see is that the roof looks a little off for the forum. I know its a tough to work with the ebo editor...
theres another thing with the united center adverts...i'll send you a pm later on.I think there's a way to make the ads look a little more accurate. I don't want to adjust anything on your arenas without your permission. minor little tweaks... sorry if i sound picky... overall your work is superb. thanks

i was wondering if it would be trouble to adjust all the 80s era arena dorna ads to be stationary, like you did with the forum. back in the day the dornas didnt move...i'll pm you in a bit...
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Postby fabri79 on Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:54 pm

It looks really cool as usual!!! (Y) Just a question: how many regular season teams are still missing? I guess you're getting close... :)
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Postby BAYAG on Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:27 am

i dunno yet..im inputing only the regular season/playoff eligible teams 1st...exibition only teams will be last.. (Y)
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Postby hokupguy on Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:26 am

bayag,

Shot me a pm about the forum and the united center. About the 80 arena dornas there no why to not make them move, i just removed them and replaced them with another art file, ebo work.
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Postby BAYAG on Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:38 am

daddie9, which program do you use to edit the ebo arena files? if its a simple fix maybe i can edit a few arenas that don't really need major editing to replace the ebo file with an art file. I'll pm you when i get home with some screenshots...i dont have them now since i'm at work...
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Postby hokupguy on Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:55 am

i use the ebo.edit tool, and its really isnt a easy fix. Its like taking a flag and arena wall ad or something and moving it into place. IT could take from 15 min to 50min depending how the ebo tool feels like act. Hit me up on pm.

Oh yea to everyone has pm'ed me about my arena's i will be starting a therad preview them. They wont be released until the final classic is done.....
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby fabri79 on Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:16 pm

Hi BAYAG, what's up? Any news/updates before your holiday? :)
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby BAYAG on Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:08 pm

fabri79 wrote:Hi BAYAG, what's up? Any news/updates before your holiday? :)


lol actually no...football season just started...and my trip to vegas and cali is in 4 days. Once i get back i should have some updates..last thing i did was update the fatigue ratings for each team and i'm almost finished with the 75 warriors. i'll release some updated beta rosters after i complete a few more teams... :D.....
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Postby fabri79 on Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:17 pm

OK, have a nice trip! We'll wait for your next beta, hopefully with some daddie's arenas included! :mrgreen:
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby brad09390939 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:16 am

TO BAYAG

DO THE FOLLOWING TEAMS ARE THERE IN THE classic team roster now?


8x SA
8x Dalls
8x Bucks
75 golden state
9x rocket(hakeem,barkley,drexler)
97 heat
85 denver

please tell me ,thanks
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby BAYAG on Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:07 pm

brad09390939 wrote:TO BAYAG

DO THE FOLLOWING TEAMS ARE THERE IN THE classic team roster now?


8x SA
8x Dalls
8x Bucks
75 golden state
9x rocket(hakeem,barkley,drexler)
97 heat
85 denver

please tell me ,thanks



lol brad your posts make me laugh .... 75 gs for now..im redoing the dbf from scratch.. just got back from vegas and cali...jet lagged and a little tired..but ready to get to work. i'm finally finishing 75 warriors...still have to do ratings...i hate rating players lol. from there im contemplating a 70's era celtic team, since they're 2nd most succesful team, they need to be represented more.
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby brad09390939 on Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:03 pm

a 70's bosten team?

how nice !! :D

but you still not tell me do the
83 SA
88 Dalls
83 Bucks
9x rocket(hakeem,barkley,drexler)
97 heat
85 denver
will be in the latest patch?
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Postby brad09390939 on Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:30 pm

by the way,the sixer has new log in the new season.

so the "2001 sixer teams's log"in your patch will be cover.

will you fix with it??
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby fabri79 on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:08 pm

@ Brad:

Man, you've asked the same question 2 times in a month, and BAYAG was polite enough to answer. What have you done immediately after his second reply? Ask him again for the THIRD TIME!!! :wall:

Now, BAYAG has written here several times that championship teams will be in, 100%. Just consider that championship teams will be around 25, and another 25 teams will be in. Right now, BAYAG is completing championship teams. He will consider every other team ONLY AFTER THAT. Just like you, I'm not a native speaker, but to me sounds pretty clear... BTW I'd say that 95 Magic will be in (having seen the amazing arena made by daddie9) and that Houston team with Barkley won't (have a look at older posts). In addition, 97 Heat were still in doubt before the crashes encountered by BAYAG some time ago... The other teams you've mentioned have good chances to be in. But nothing certain can be said at this stage.

Bottom line, I've read elsewhere that you've planned to make your own retro patch. This is good and I wish you good luck. But many other people are following the progress of this patch (regarding myself, I'm following as well the WOP of Bird33's retro patch, it looks really really interesting :) ), and everyone has his own favorites (I.E. I've stated that I'd like to see 04 TWolfes and a Charlotte Hornets team and I don't love too much any team before 1980s) but now we've got to wait, contributing for whatever we can (obviously depending on our own skills) and appreciate in every case what it's gonna be the final product of this big effort. (Y)

PS: Regarding your new question, I don't see any problem...
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby brad09390939 on Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:11 am

i am very sorry for my impoliteness and impatient :bowdown:

i just very like BAYAG'S patch,so i continuously ask he question.

by the way,i won't ask him some questions about the teams he made.

finally,i am very sorry about that :bowdown: :bowdown:

and now,i will make that teams i want by myself until BAYAG release his final patch.

i can wait!!! :D
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby fabri79 on Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:52 pm

OK Brad, very good! :D

The problem here has begun few months ago, when BAYAG (and everybody else) realized there's a limit regarding the number of teams and/or the size of artwork. Then he decided to iclude championship teams first. In the meantime, he added many interesting playoff teams (like the ones you've been asking for... and some of them are completed already), but he did not made championship teams such as GS Warriors, that '70 Boston team and few others... Whenever that teams will be made, BAYAG will probably release a Beta version of that patch. At that time I suppose that every discussion regarding playoff/runner up teams will be more than welcome... or at least not pointless anymore! :wink: Peace, man (Y)
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby brad09390939 on Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:27 pm

you mean that add too much teams the game will crash??

but in my retro roster,there are 99 teams inside.(99 teams is the limit)

nothing happen in game.

by the way,now there are more teams has new logos,new jersey.

so some teams' logo,jersey wil be covered

for example, 01 sixer's logo was covered by new logo.

04 wolf 's jersey was covered by new jersey(04 wolf is made by myself)

how to fix it?
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby fabri79 on Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:44 pm

you mean that add too much teams the game will crash??

but in my retro roster,there are 99 teams inside.(99 teams is the limit)

nothing happen in game.


Not exactly. The issue is related first to artwork's size (and secondly to team number). If the size of the artwork (cyberfaces, jersey, courts, arenas etc.) is too big, the game is tending towards crashes...

For the rest, I don't know what you mean exactly... It sounds like you want to keep historical teams as well as 09-10 rosters... BTW, it is possible to keep the old logos and jerseys for your retro teams (there's a simple proof: think about the first retro roster by BAYAG... '83 Sixers had their own logo, different than '01 Sixers), everything has to be edited according to your .dbf files in the subfolder of "save" folder that you're using... I'm not an expert of this stuff: I suggest you to ask in the "Help & Requests" section, trying to explain as clear as you can what are you trying to do... (Y)
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby brad09390939 on Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:57 pm

sorry for my bad english (N)

i will put my question on there,

at that time,you can help me? :bowdown:
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby fabri79 on Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:48 am

Hi Brad,

please have a look at the "Help & Request Section"... Too bad I don't have the solution, but maybe it can be helpful in some way...
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby fabri79 on Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:24 am

Hi BAYAG,

Any progress? When do you think to release the next beta? :)
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby BAYAG on Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:58 am

sorry for the late reply amigo...

last thing i completed was the 75 gs warriors and i updated the fatigue settings using your guidelines. but not the dunks. I'm not sure how to handle the dunking abilities for these older players, because i'm not really sure what the dunk abilities of these players were back then. I've havent really touched the game as of late since football season and now the MLB playoffs have started...GO DODGERS! ...


lol i'll release what i have completed and you guys can tell me what needs to be adjusted. I really hate doing ratings because people are never satisfied on the abilites given to a player. oh well it is what it is. hopefully this weekend.

daddie9 as far as the arenas go i'm not 100 % sure which teams included yet. All I know is nba champion teams will be there, then after that i'll keep adding teams until i see crashing issues.
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Postby jettdaking! on Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:11 am

i hope you can convert your works to live 08. it's reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally nice.
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Postby fabri79 on Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:08 pm

Good! :) Regarding the dunk ability rating, I guess the more you go back in time the harder it will be... However, I think that big men used to dunk easily from the very beginning (of course no windmills or reverse jams or 360 degrees!!! :lol: ). To mess up the argument further on, I've heard many years ago that the first player to dunk from the free throw line was one guy from the '50s... and this article seems to confirm the story! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Pollard ...and he was "only" 6'5''!!! :shock:
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Postby hydroponic82 on Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:30 am

hey bayag.

first off its awesome that you did this i finally got to play after awhile and this is by far my fav. nba game now because of what you were able to do with it. so much respect.

only questions i have is how did you get the AJ'1s on the rookie MJ
and the patches on the jersey and the AJ 12's ( on the pictures below)
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Im planning on getting a new computer soon ( because the one i have is not so good ...) and i was just wondering if it was because my graphics card wasnt that good (its a nvidia geforce 7000m ) that maybe those didnt show up in the game..
also the jerseys on the nba 50 teams are not the single uniforms for each team represented like that pic.. they are just 1 style

thanks again man I love it either way :D

also is jordan supposed to have the aj11's on the 96 team
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby BAYAG on Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:39 am

hydroponic82 wrote:hey bayag.

first off its awesome that you did this i finally got to play after awhile and this is by far my fav. nba game now because of what you were able to do with it. so much respect.

only questions i have is how did you get the AJ'1s on the rookie MJ
and the patches on the jersey and the AJ 12's ( on the pictures below)
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Im planning on getting a new computer soon ( because the one i have is not so good ...) and i was just wondering if it was because my graphics card wasnt that good (its a nvidia geforce 7000m ) that maybe those didnt show up in the game..
also the jerseys on the nba 50 teams are not the single uniforms for each team represented like that pic.. they are just 1 style

thanks again man I love it either way :D

also is jordan supposed to have the aj11's on the 96 team



The j's will be in the final release ..whenever that is...the trophy on the jerseys were created by conrad for '06 and reused for 07. i'm still debating using the player specific jerseys for the nba @ 50 team..since i was encountering crashes with all the number of teams made, so it may make the final cut.

what im basically doing is adding champions only as playable in season and playoffs and then having all the rest of the runner ups and other teams playable in exibition. be patient..it will come out eventually...free time to patch now is limited but it will be done, i promise. you should see another demo with 75 warriors coming soon. it's been delayed since i just got nba 2k10 yesterday. Current teams usually bore me after a while, so i'll be back to patching shortly. Funny..i started this project about 3 years ago, and i keep adding and adjusting things (Y)
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby BAYAG on Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:55 pm

12's were used in the 96-97 season , but they're a personal favorite of mine. I have 2 pairs at home and i dont really wear jordans...mainly dunks. You're right, the 11's were worn during the 95-96 championship run..

the next demo adds 75 warriors and 76 celtics..havlicek, cowens, done nelson before he went crazy...i'll update the thread when something is complete.
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Postby BAYAG on Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:07 pm

after looking at some tutorials on playbook editing, i decided to experiment with changing the main offensive/defensive strategy of the teams created. I'll be releasing something this week for you guys to try and i would like to receive some feedback and suggestions on suitable playbooks. be on the look out...I may need help finding the correct strategies for each classic team..For sure, all teams played a straight man to man defense since zone was outlawed for years. Here's a description of the selectable stratagies and description originally from FlipzLive07 .


OFFENSIVE PLAYBOOKS
Boston—-PG stand at left top wing and passes to SG, PG immediately cuts to the bucket and gets a pick from PF...SG hits the PG with a pass for the layup or SG goes iso at top wing

Bulls Eye—-PG stands at left topwing to initiate play, he runs towards the C who sets a pick for him, PG either drives or waits for SG to make a cut to the bucket,hit him with a pass for a dunk/layup or shot

Cavalier-—stand near top of the key, move laterally to the right, SF gets two screens...first from PF and second from SG..He flashes to the right wing, PG passes the ball to him for a deep range 2 or 3pointer

Rip Iso-- stand at left wing to begin play, he passes to SF who quickly passes to the SG on the baseline…SG is now in an iso play down the baseline, he can either pull for the jumper after pass or drive

Philly--PG stands at top of the key and moves laterally to the right...SF makes a cut to the bucket where two staggered screens are set. SF receives first screen from PF and second from C, he comes off the screen and receives pass from PG

Rocket Fuel—PG stands at right top wing to begin play...SF gets 3 picks starting with SG from the top right wing, under the bucket from PF and a third pick from C ,he eventually reaches outside the arc, hit him with the pass for a 3point shot

Rising Sun--Stand near top of the key with PG and move right, wait as C runs up to set a screen...C rolls off after the pick and PG hits with a pass or alleyoop…basically Nash and Stoudamire play

Sonic-—PG stands at top right wing...SG gets pick from PF while SG gets pick from C. SG cuts to the bucket and receives pass from PG. If lane is open, SG can get a dunk/layup...if not he kicks ball out to SF who’s open baseline for a deep long range 2 or 3 pointer

Power C-—PG stands at right top wing and makes a direct pass to the C who has established position in the post…C can either score from a backdown position or pass to a cutting SG...Basically the C scores or kicks out pass to the perimeter players for a shot

Power PF—-PG stands at left top wing, pass ball to PF when he establishes position in the low post where he can either score in the paint or pass to a cutting SF or open SG when double teamed

Scorer PF-- Is designed to get the PF in a good scoring position off of screens. PG stands near top of the key and moves right to initiate play. This play has about 3 players lined up on the left side of the court. The PF will then come off of two screens, first from C and second from SF as he cuts towards the basket looking for a layup. PG passes to complete play, this is a very patient play and takes time to develop

Scorer SF—-PG stands at right wing to initiate the play...PG passes ball to SF at the top of key who gets a pick from the PF...SF comes off the pick and drives into the paint for a dunk or layup

Scorer SG—PG stands at right top wing and passes ball to SG at the top of the key...this is basically an iso play for the SG that begins at the top of the key. If CPU helps defense comes, SG kicks ball to open teammate

Highflyer SG—-This is a great catch and shoot play. PG gets pick from SG as SF cuts toward the bucket. PF sets pick for SG while this is happening, the SF would have moved to the baseline left…hit SG with a pass or SF depending on how open both players are...stand at top right wing to initiate

Highflyer SF-—stand at top of the key and move right, PF sets pick for SG as he cuts toward the bucket...PG can deliver an alley-oop pass for a nice dunk or layup

Shooter A—-This is a play designed for SG originally but the PG can take the shot if he beats his man during an iso that results outta this play.

Case 1--PG stands near top of the key and moves left resulting in an iso play where he can score...so for those who have been complaining about CPU Point Guard Dominance, you are simply getting burnt by the CPU PG, get your help defense up

Case 2—- C is already in position for a screen (intended for the SG)...SG gets two picks...first from C and second from PF...PG passes to open SG for a shot

Shooter B—- PG stands at top of the key and moves right for a screen from PF...look for both SG and SF to interchange positions, players get flashed at the 3 point line or end up high post area...hit either of them with a pass for a long range 2 or 3 pointer

Double Back Screen—PG stands at top of the key and moves right, both SF and SG get screens from PF and C respectively...PG hits either player with pass for an open shot

Double Power-—C gets pick from SG, PF gets pick from SF...Basically both bigs make a cut to the bucket...while both SF/SG flash to the high post area for open jump shots...PG can either pass to the bigs who are on the low block or to the wing players...stand at top of the key to initiate with PG

Single Double—- PG stands at top of the key and moves right to begin play...remaining 4 players crowd the paint, SF comes off 2 screens, first from SG and second from PF…also SG comes off a screen from C..PG passes to either open wing player

Screen Game—-PG stands at top of the key and moves right...down baseline, the play is developing as the C goes into a screening position but SF fakes it and rather gets a pick from the SG,he runs off the screen and flashes at the left wing where he gets another pick from PF..PG passes to open SF for a jumper

Shuffle-—PG stands at right topwing to initiate the play...SG gets two staggered picks, first from PF and second from C to the RIGHT post, PG passes to SG who’s under the bucket for a dunk or layup…

Mid Power-—stand at top left wing and move right...PF moves up as if to set a pick for PG but the PF cuts to the bucket where he gets a pick from C...PG now passes to PF who’s now under the bucket for a dunk or layup

Backdoor Play—-PG stands at top of the key and moves right, he passes to C who’s on the low block and the C looks to pass to a cutting SG under the baseline for an easy dunk or layup...very effective if u have a big man with nice ball handling skills

Balance—- PG stands at top of the key and moves right...PF sets pick for C while the SG cuts to the right wing on the court and SF cuts to the left wing of the court..This results in creating mismatches that could work in your advantage as both SF and SG are at an iso position with their CPU defenders...PG passes to either one of them to complete play

Flare-—PG stands at top key and moves left as PF sets screen for him.SF cuts from the high post right wing to the elbow of the freethrow line where he sets a pick for the PF..However PF does not go for the screen and flashes at the high post left wing...PG passes ball to open PF for a deep 2pointer...This play is recommended for big shooting men

Options-—As the name suggests, there are TWO options that arise outta this play...PG stands at top of the key to initiate play. He moves right as he receives pick from PF, while this is happening, the SF and SG are both cutting to the opposite wings...
Case 1-SF gets pick from C and flashes at the baseline opposite wing for a pass
Case 2-SG receives pick from PF as he gets open from the high post for a pass

Secondary Quick Hitters—-PG stands at top of the key and passes ball to PF who’s also at the top of the key.SG cuts towards the PF and receives a pass from him...this creates an iso situation for the SG once he gets the pass…2 options arise
Case 1- SG can score on the iso play
Case 2- SG passes ball to C, when C gets doubled, C can kick ball out to either the SF or SG for a score

Triple Threat—PG stands at top of the key and moves all the way right…he passes ball to SF on the low block to begin the play...there are 3 options that arise outta this

Case 1—SF continues to post up on the block and looks to score
Case 2-SG comes off two staggered screens, first from PF and second from C...SG flashes at the left baseline where the SF delivers a pass to for an open shot
Case 3—SF on low block gets doubled and kicks ball out to PG at the 3 point line for the open 3

Zipper--Stand at top right wing with PG and move right...SF comes off two staggered screens…first from C and second from SG...PG passes SF ball for an open shot or waits for SG to come off another screen from C,which leaves him wide open at the baseline..PG can either pass to both SF and SG .

here are the play numbers from steelman
Here are the new Live 07 play numbers (there are a couple of changes from 06):

0 - Shooter A
1 - Balance
2 - Rocket Fuel
3 - Triple Threat
4 - Options
5 - Cavalier
6 - Zipper
7 - Sonic
8 - Philly
9 - Rising Sun
10 - Rip Iso
11 - Bulls Eye
12 - Boston
13 - Single Double
14 - Flare
15 - Double Power
16 - Double Back Screen
17 - Power C
18 - Power PF
19 - Mid Power
20 - Screen Game
21 - Highflyer SG
22 - Highflyer SF
23 - Shuffle
24 - Scorer PF
25 - Scorer SF
26 - Scorer SG
27 - Shooter B
28 - Back Door Play
29 - Secondary Quick Hitters
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Postby fabri79 on Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:44 am

Interesting post... I think it would take a bit of time and patience but could be an added value for the overall gameplay if there will be 4 suitable schemes for each team. However, IMO, the most logical thing is implementing teams' strategies once we've got the final team list: as to say, once the patch will be completed. :wink: At that point, everybody could suggest BAYAG which could be the better strategies for each team...
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby DUNCANISGOOD on Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:14 am

A question:

i copy 54 Laker to final challenge roster.
then i played 54 La VS 59 Bosten(i created 59 bosten from 63 Bosten)
but it crashed
so i try to use 54 La to challenge the other team,there weren't crash!
then i try to use 59 Bosten to challenge the other team,there weren't crash,too!
but only when i use 54 la vs 59 bostenmit crash!
help me!Bayag!! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby fabri79 on Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:14 am

Hi BAYAG,

Just wondering about the state of the project... Three months have passed by since the first beta, so I'd like to know how far away it will be the next update (more or less...). Similarly: what about '93 Charlotte Hornets & '04 Timberwolves? I don't remember whether you've already created them or not...
Thanks man! :)
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby BAYAG on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:20 am

fabri79 wrote:Hi BAYAG,

Just wondering about the state of the project... Three months have passed by since the first beta, so I'd like to know how far away it will be the next update (more or less...). Similarly: what about '93 Charlotte Hornets & '04 Timberwolves? I don't remember whether you've already created them or not...
Thanks man! :)

Hi,
i'm still working on it slowly,mainly the gameplay.04 wolves will be there...but not just yet.I adjusted the teamplays tell me what you think.
75 warriors 79 sonics and 76 celts probably won't be playable and will probably crash. I didn't have time to add the player art into the download as of now. I know iit's taking me forever amigo..I work on it when i can..

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Postby fabri79 on Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:09 am

Hi BAYAG,

Just played half game (12 mins quarters), classic Lakers 87 (me) vs Celtics 86 (cpu) match. To me, the main good thing is that players get tired more realistically; a single player doesn't play the whole game anymore... (Y) ...but the cpu ai doesn't seems smarter than before. At the halftime Danny Ainge took 22 shots from the field making just 4 (btw he was Boston's "X-Factor" player, maybe it's related to that but McHale and Parish should have been more involved)... I've also noticed that after an opponent's missed shot, cpu's point guard is less inclined to wait for his teammates, looking more for the fastbreak even when the chances are low; at times, the cpu offense looks more confused than before... :?

Honestly, I'm not sure that changing the teams' strategies deserves your efforts; however, I'd be happy to hear somebody else's experience...

PS: I played the game in my laptop because the desktop died a couple of months ago (this week I'm gonna buy a new one). Maybe it's because this poor integrated graphic card but Dave Thirdkill seems to have some issues (his head looks like completely scratched by white lines). I remember having played 86 Boston many times in the finals challenge mod and Thirdkill's face was ok... so please check it! :wink:
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Postby Bird_33 on Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:14 pm

Yeah I seemed to have the same effect as Fabri, with Mchale & Parish though maybe just raise the primacy levels...I havent checked them personally of what you have...I personally put Bird on 99, Mchale on 79 & Parish 69 & I get a good balance between the 3 in a season play...even though Bird is high as possible the other 2's ratings make sure he doesnt have crazy scoring average...getting everything right or close to right is hard work though man so I wouldnt work yourself too much with it..
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Postby BAYAG on Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:58 pm

yah i hear ya guys...just trying to make it as realistic as possible.. As far as Thirdkill's face...I realized i didn't include his cf.that's why you get that weird affect. thanks for the feedback.. (Y)

Do me a favor guys...run a season mode sim...and let me know if you see any weird ppg avgs for any of the players.I tried to make them match their real season averages. Try to take a screenshot of the players stats.. I know for league leaders on my pc alcindor and jordan are pretty much neck and neck for scoring lead at about 35 ppg.
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Postby BAYAG on Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:28 pm

I tried adjusting the primacy higher for bird, mchale and parish, but it caused the gurds to score only 5 pts a game during a simulated season.
I'll try adjusting the numbers a little more to reflect the actual numbers from '86. Thanks for the feedback..

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Postby fabri79 on Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:53 am

Hi BAYAG,

Sorry 4 the late reply, pal... I've just found some time to simulate a season (82 games, 12 mins quarters).

Screenshots NBA Live.rar


As you can see, the stats are quite realistical except for:

1) The poor scoring averages of many key bench players
2) The exorbitant scoring average for a bunch of top players.
3) The teams' overall scoring is SLIGHTLY lower than reality
4) The same could be said for the assist leaders
5) The defensive player of the year... lol
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Postby fabri79 on Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:01 am

Here comes the second part of the message.... :mrgreen:

I realized that the abovementioned simulated season had no injuries, so I tried to sim a new season with injuries and the issues explained in the first 2 points from the other post don't subsist (almost) anymore:

Screenshot NBA Live (Injuries Simulated).rar


Bottom line, I guess there's a need to increase a little bit the total scoring and assists... what about increasing the passing ability?

BTW it's a videogame and nobody can create a perfect simulation... The stats are really cool already!! (Y)
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Postby BAYAG on Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:57 am

lol thanks fabri...i just wanted a couple screens..you didnt have to go out of your way.. :lol: I pretty much adjusted the primacy higher for most of the teams...so the main star gets the ball majority of the time. as far as the bench scoring low..theres not much i could do..oh well lol
I'm getting there my friend....I try to release something soon.. but i'm far from finished..
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Postby fabri79 on Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:11 am

No problem bro... (Y) I don't have a lot of time for playing but I can't wait 4 this patch to be released!!! :D
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Postby BAYAG on Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:30 pm

anyone interested in a 58 hawks team? one of the few teams to beat boston in the finals.

I found resources for the logos and player ports..only problem is i dont make jerseys.. I can send reference pix if anyone wants to make them..
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Postby Moz The Boz on Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:26 am

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how bout these? The only problem will be the numbers since those numbers are customized...
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Re: Classic Teams '07 * demo released pg.12 - 8.17.09*

Postby fabri79 on Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:10 am

@PhatGeezer:

Nice preview man, but are you sure that '56 St.Louis Hawks used to wear a red jersey?

I don't know nothing about that era... but please have a look at this picture:

http://www.beckett.com/images/pgitems/222400801.jpg This is from 1957-58 season, so St. Louis' home jersey was white and blue.

This other one portraits a game between Boston and St. Louis, even if I can't say the year: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

Anyway, even if he caption is wrong (there's not Bob Pettit in it) one could recognize Bob Cousy (14), Cliff Hagan (16) and Frank Ramsey (23)... According to basketball-reference.com all those players were in their respective rosters during 1958 finals, so probably the away jerseys from that season were blue... :?:

BTW, even if I'm wrong, I'd be happy to get another championship team in the patch BUT this would mean to sacrifice another more recent team due to that "infamous" limit... :( So I'd prefer to keep a newer team instead (1980s, 1990s, 2000s) OR to represent a franchise excluded from the pach (i.e. Charlotte/New Orleans Hornets) OR to choose another team from that franchise... I've been an Hawks fan since the late Wilkins era but 1987 Hawks are already in, so I'd choose 1997 Hawks (Blaylock, Steve Smith, Laettner, Mutombo in their prime... and most of the artwork can be found in Tony Divence's patch)...Bbut this is just my humble opinion! :wink:
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Postby Moz The Boz on Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:26 am

But we're talking about the 57-58 Hawks not the 56 Hawks and based here on the one of that retro jersey seller...
:arrow: http://www.angelfire.com/hiphop3/instylekicks/ they did wear a red kit back then... Regarding the picture you present, I reckon that's the Fort Wayne Pistons (I recognize, if I'm not mistaken, that the guy guarding #23 is George Yardley). About the home jersey, I'm not really sure if it's exactly like that since I've based it on a black and white photo :doh: I just reversed the colour scheme of the road jersey
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Postby fabri79 on Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:23 am

Regarding the picture you present, I reckon that's the Fort Wayne Pistons (I recognize, if I'm not mistaken, that the guy guarding #23 is George Yardley).


Ouch! :doh: My bad... Indeed i remember that Detroit used to wear those jerseys during that "NBA at 50" season... Thumbs up for you, I guess that finding a proper reference for that team doesn't have to be easy... (Y)

Regarding the home jersey I posted, it seems to be the real one (according to this site): http://beta.beckett.com/item/3007027/Ba ... ?tab=Price

and this is a black/white picture of that team: http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/05 ... mp_576.jpg

It seems that the home set had blue letters and numbers with red forms...
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