pc patcher vs. next gen Graphic

by **Stonecold** on Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:58 pm

Will our most belove patchers for the pc out done next gen graphic?

Who think that the next gen graphic will look better than the best patchers on NLSC anyway?

:twisted:

by **Jugs** on Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:12 pm

What are you trying to say boy? Trouble down at the old mill?

by **Sparks** on Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:30 pm

Jugs wrote:What are you trying to say boy? Trouble down at the old mill?

HAHAHA!
But back to the point, I don't think the PC patchers can really do that much to the graphics.

by **soilworker** on Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:36 pm

Stonecold wrote:Will our most belove patchers for the pc out done next gen graphic?

Who think that the next gen graphic will look better than the best patchers on NLSC anyway?

i do. it's not even close

by **Markarian** on Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:50 pm

Yeah different engine means 360graphics>>>>PcGraphics

by **funk99** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:26 am

Yeah probably Live 08's gunna have a different engine and that may require a much better system to play

by **Darman** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:07 am

would be very nice if somebody can do it like in the first trailer with wip on it (Y)

by **joejam999** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:24 am

Sparks wrote:I don't think the PC patchers can really do that much to the graphics.

I beg to differ.

by **cam** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:36 am

They can do alot to the graphics, they improve them immensely................. but in reality, it's like polishing a turd.

The graphical enhancments are limited to the foundation they are built on......... and the 360 is league's above even the best PC patched game.

by **JohnnyLi** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:56 am

cam wrote:................. but in reality, it's like polishing a turd.

Nice imagery

by **joejam999** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:55 pm

Actually it depends on how big the pictures(resolution) you are using for the patch. So the amount of detail you can make a patch is almost limitless. By the way PC's are more powerfull than the XBOX 360.

by **bigh0rt** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:09 pm

joejam999 wrote:Actually it depends on how big the pictures(resolution) you are using for the patch. So the amount of detail you can make a patch is almost limitless. By the way PC's are more powerfull than the XBOX 360.

There's a lot more that goes into patching (at least beyond simple things like CFs, etc.) than that. It will all be further explored with Live 07 -- rest assured. :wink:

Though, the vast majority of PCs are not nearly as powerful as the XBox 360, currently.

by **joejam999** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:38 pm

But will be sooner than people think. Call of Duty 2 looks better on my PC than it does on the XBOX360.

by **cam** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:38 pm

joejam999 wrote:Actually it depends on how big the pictures(resolution) you are using for the patch. So the amount of detail you can make a patch is almost limitless. By the way PC's are more powerfull than the XBOX 360.

Not exactly, no matter how high resolution your patched texture is, it is limited by the complexity of the geometry of the player models/faces. Also, elements like lighting, crowd, stadium and general atmosphere are leaps and bounds better in Next Gen games. Patching can't get current gen to that level.......... at all.

Some patchers on here do a nice job of tweaking the lighting settings etc. but they are limited by the foundation of current gen.

by **joejam999** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:41 pm

cam wrote:
joejam999 wrote:Actually it depends on how big the pictures(resolution) you are using for the patch. So the amount of detail you can make a patch is almost limitless. By the way PC's are more powerfull than the XBOX 360.

Not exactly, no matter how high resolution your patched texture is, it is limited by the complexity of the geometry of the player models/faces. Also, elements like lighting, crowd, stadium and general atmosphere are leaps and bounds better in Next Gen games. Patching can't get current gen to that level.......... at all.

Some patchers on here do a nice job of tweaking the lighting settings etc. but they are limited by the foundation of current gen.

Thats the problem finding the programs to edit all that stuff like the stadiums and what not. Thats why we cant make it as good as the 360. But I will take updated rosters and patching over way good graphics anyday.

by **cam** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:46 pm

I'm pretty sure that there are no such programs that would allow you to edit games in such a way. Patchers can only really tamper with what is already built into the game, not add onto it. That is of course, only until EA ports the nextx gen games to PC instead of current gen. That would be great because patch makers would have so much more to work with......... but I imagine that it would be a fair challenge to patch into a much more complex game engine.

by **joejam999** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:51 pm

EA has the programs. Maybe they dont release SDK's (software development kits) for some kind of money issue like people could create payware mods for NBA Live if they could edit anything they want. Thats the sad thing we just dont have the programs to do it.

by **bigh0rt** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:56 pm

We will certainly be working on stretching the boundaries of patching beyond what has been done before, and a lot of people will (hopefully) be pleasantly surprised. (Y)

by **joejam999** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:11 pm

bigh0rt wrote:It will all be further explored with Live 07 -- rest assured.

bigh0rt wrote:We will certainly be working on stretching the boundaries of patching beyond what has been done before, and a lot of people will (hopefully) be pleasantly surprised.

Ok whats going on? New editing programs?

YouTube · by **JaoSming** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:26 pm

joejam999 wrote:
Ok whats going on? New editing programs?

Why would we make you guys do the work?

06 I think had a bunch of huge breakthroughs with the EBOs to the lighting files. AIACT.viv files and even more realistic looking jerseys.

we have a lot of very talented patchers here, id say the best of the best who dont work for EA. Your saying that we can't take on next-gen graphics-wise. I'm saying why can't we try :wink:

by **diddy** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:08 pm

JaoSming, fo sure! guys here make very nice jerseys and shoes, it's true! and without these patches my game was simple horrible! i'm glad that so many people make things better and apriciate for that work! and i think next gen is gonna come into our games with help of NLSC patchers! (Y)

by **Jowe** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:30 pm

no amount of patching from us guys will ever be able to make up for the next gen graphics.. no amount of patching will be able to make the jerseys wave etcetc.

by **Null17** on Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:42 pm

Ditto on what Jowe said. Patching is only limited to mostly texture editing. Whatever patchers make is still bound by the graphics engine that EA ships.

YouTube · by **JaoSming** on Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:05 am

Null17 wrote:Whatever patchers make is still bound by the graphics engine that EA ships.

which is very true, we will never be able have the same graphics while zooming in on the players in the replays, but we can come damn close when using the gameplay cameras.

If we get Xbox lighting this year we can make it look like the jerseys are moving. While it wouldnt be as good as the 360, it would be a nice step up from this year.

by **joejam999** on Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:23 am

JaoSming wrote:
joejam999 wrote:
Ok whats going on? New editing programs?

Why would we make you guys do the work?

Hey im a patcher too. :wink:

Also how are you going to be able to edit more of the game, it looks the same. So who is not to say the files are.

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