Response from EA about the NBA Live 07 bugs.

I predict that something good will happen tomorrow - hopefully an email to Donatello from the EA rep.

As of now, we're weak. It's a bunch of "forum hooligans" whining about bugs and a crappy game. We should, as a community, craft a press release to send to sites like OS, IGN, GameSpy, Joystiq, etc. We should set up a site for the sole purpose of displaying it so as to avoid presenting the things like just happened above with the more mature release.

We should agree on the language and the list of our grievances, acquire a prominant initial number of signatures, then present it. The we can keep gathering signatures and keep submitting it to EA. (We should leave the major media sites alone after the initial informing as they'd probably tire of us quickly.)

Of all the things said in this thread so far, this statement should not be ignored. As it's the only action that makes sense.

While Donatello's and Jackal's emails put forth great points, these actions wont get us anywhere. We can send emails to the individuals of the EA team and let them know how pissed we are, and why they suck, and all the rest. But the only way we'll be heard is if we hit them as a company.

You know how it is: Power in numbers. Benji's idea of a press release is our best bet of getting any sort of results. They can't ignore us if it's all over the "internet media". Our forum rants and level-minded emails are not powerful enough.

As of now, we're weak. It's a bunch of "forum hooligans" whining about bugs and a crappy game. We should, as a community, craft a press release to send to sites like OS, IGN, GameSpy, Joystiq, etc. We should set up a site for the sole purpose of displaying it so as to avoid presenting the things like just happened above with the more mature release.

We should agree on the language and the list of our grievances, acquire a prominant initial number of signatures, then present it. The we can keep gathering signatures and keep submitting it to EA. (We should leave the major media sites alone after the initial informing as they'd probably tire of us quickly.)

Of all the things said in this thread so far, this statement should not be ignored. As it's the only action that makes sense.

While Donatello's and Jackal's emails put forth great points, these actions wont get us anywhere. We can send emails to the individuals of the EA team and let them know how pissed we are, and why they suck, and all the rest. But the only way we'll be heard is if we hit them as a company.

You know how it is: Power in numbers. Benji's idea of a press release is our best bet of getting any sort of results. They can't ignore us if it's all over the "internet media". Our forum rants and level-minded emails are not powerful enough.

I agree with all of this. I've followed quite a few games by frequenting the forums, and every single one has a contingent of people clamoring for a patch that gets ignored.

I'm honestly just waiting for the PS2/Xbox IGN review to go up to see if they mention the sub bug at all. That would be the best start toward getting a patch, in my opinion.

Maybe if we all stoped buying the game, that would help even more.

See kids are plain dumb, they don't understand this concept, we're lucky we have 2K or else we wouldn't be able to play any basketball game.

Geez Laxation, at least spell Philippines correctly. Matthew did.

i was one letter off... im sure youll live

I really think we should start a petition to see whether we should persue a lawsuit

Do you have any idea how much this would cost... its not like you can just go 'hey lets sue this mofo.' it costs a shitload to do it

however, if they really

misrepresented and falsely advertised features within the game that were CLEARLY only XBOX 360 related

then hey... maybe it would be worth it if you could actually make a case against them. but count me out

Well I'm glad people are starting to see what Benji writes is worth aknowledging, with or without an avatar.

As for Phillipino's, I feel sorry for people like Shadowgrin who get caught up in my jokes, but the good thing is he knows I'm making fun of the stereotype and not him, but thats way off topic.

But the idea of a class action suit against EA sports? Lol, is that dude dweaver? Seriously, on what grounds? "uh, your honor, you cant make subs in the game, i want a million dollars."

I sure hope this thread hasn'r hurt anyones feelings at EA. I mean they are ordinary human being who can't do their "Dream job" right. I'd be embarrassed if I did somthing "i loved" as bad as they have made NBA live over the past 5 years. Then they play the whole "we have feelings" card and can't even own upto their mistakes. Typical Canadians (oooh there goes another racist remark).

But seriously, I cant be fucked caring anymore. I'll just continue playing nba 2k until the entire team ate EA Canada jump off a cliff or I get sick of basketball. I don't see NBA Live ever improving while these leeches contrinue to destroy the legacy of NBA video games.

I personally don't have any interest in trying to get anyone fired.

I do want to state for the record that in my 'negative' post up there, I am by no means speaking on behalf of anyone but MYSELF. Not for the moderation team, not for the NLSC community, just speaking for myself.

I am not going to send any more Emails to EA unless they send me another one first. And if I do reply, it will be in the same professional manner I introduced myself in, because I will be representing the rest of this site whether I want to or not.


I am not reposting the quote out of respect for Andrew, since it could (probably would) reflect badly on him since he's the webmaster.


Lastly, I'd truly like to ask that this doesn't turn into a total "Bash EA fest". I'm sure it will, I just want to note that it was never my intention.

Good one, Don. I like how you lead. Yeah, I know where ya coming from. Okay, but from me I think EA really suck. But good thing is, where I am at now I can buy this crap for less than 5 US dollars. Ha, I guess I dont earn the right to complain but I must EA really come out with crap stuff.

(name removed),

First of all, thank you for your email. I want to stress something first before I say what I have to say. I am not the spoiled brat kid who is pissed about not liking a video game like you may think. I'm a professional adult who has happened to enjoy the NBA Live series for years.

Along those lines, I want you to know that I am no longer speaking on behalf of that fansite (nba-live.com), I am speaking for myself only. Please understand that.

Disclaimers out of the way, now... on to my real response.

I emailed you guys on behalf of the community. You responded to the community. So why would you (EA) want me to remove the quote of the email? Possibly because it makes you look terrible, honestly. (I did remove the quote by the way, but only out of respect for the webmaster.)

"Regardless of whether or not these issues can be addressed in this year's product, it's helpful feedback as we begin work on next year's game."

These problems with the game are NOT small issues. And there is no way they could have not been seen during testing. Sure, a patch for the PC can probably fix them, but the Ps2 and X-Box (original) versions can't exactly be patched.

The computer does NOT substitute players, no matter how fatigued they get. That means after about 1 1/2 quarters, you are playing against zombies who can hardly move, because their fatigue is so low. Except for the point guard of course, who takes every shot and scores every point.

Rookies retiring after one year of dynasty mode..... 82 games being the only option in Dynasty mode.... player lock doesn't work properly....

I won't relist the rest of the "bug list", as I'm sure you've seen it (hopefully, anyway). I'd honestly choose your words carefully, because your company's previous reponses in both words and actions are truly upsetting alot of people.

You released a faulty product which damn near borders on false advertisement. I'd like a real response from you please, not a pushover, cut-and-paste-cookie-cutter customer service reponse.

Thank you for your time, and hopefully for your reply.

-Josh

Hey Don, why dun u publish the letter EA emailed to u? Shit. Sounds like they really treat you like shit.

If this makes them accountable for their shitty work, and they lose their jobs, then so be it. Everyone is accountable for their actions, I dont see why we should give "the folks at ea" any free passes.

I've been playing NBA Live since Live 95, and was looking forward to another year of Live action but with all the major bugs / flaws in Live '07 I've decided to skip this year's release until an official EA patch has been released...

sure sounds like there are better things to spend my 45 - 50 euros on...

maybe EA doesn't care about if one user does or does not buy their game, but I would not underestimate the power of this forum. Maybe the real core community here is only 200 or maybe 500 users ... but there can be thousands of users who just come and visit like me, to read about interesting roster patches or news on upcoming releases...

just to make sure, I don't want to promote a boycot until EA releases a patch or something like that... I think everyone should make that decision for himself / herself... I just did...

I feel like the most loyal PC gamer and NBA Live buyer, and fucking EA makes me wanna buy a console right about now...

same here man. Just for NBA 2k7 makes me want to buy console.

Petitions, bitching and moaning are our weapons. We should use them.

*LAUGH!!!!*

I've been playing NBA Live since Live 95, and was looking forward to another year of Live action but with all the major bugs / flaws in Live '07 I've decided to skip this year's release until an official EA patch has been released...

sure sounds like there are better things to spend my 45 - 50 euros on...

maybe EA doesn't care about if one user does or does not buy their game, but I would not underestimate the power of this forum. Maybe the real core community here is only 200 or maybe 500 users ... but there can be thousands of users who just come and visit like me, to read about interesting roster patches or news on upcoming releases...

just to make sure, I don't want to promote a boycot until EA releases a patch or something like that... I think everyone should make that decision for himself / herself... I just did...

Or maybe they're just idiots? What kind of company would want their most loyal fanbase to think that they dont care about them?

Either that or EA just doesn't know how to make quality games anymore.

This reminds me of the 1983 video game crash (although not that extreme).

Game developers think they can shit out whatever into a disc/game, put a popular name on it and make big bucks. But in this age, they do make the cash regardless.

But the idea of a class action suit against EA sports? Lol, is that dude dweaver? Seriously, on what grounds? "uh, your honor, you cant make subs in the game, i want a million dollars."

false advertising, for a start (sig shots in current gen).

But what do you expect to get back, apart from the money you spent on the game?

sure i'll use paragraphs, when you can guarantee me that someone from ea will read it and care because it's in paragraph form. if you can do that i'll type it in paragraph in any language you want, i'll even draw pretty little flowers all over it to make it even more pleasant for you.

paragraph two: sorry i didn't make it nice and tidy for anyone, so don't read it if you don't want to. hell delete it if it's that bad. people want something done about the problems with the game and you're worried about grammar. i typed it as i felt it, not so the president could read his address to the nation from it. it's a message board in a thread about a video games problems. ignore it or pick up the hobbit and read paragraphs. ea would appreciate that more anyway.

paragraph three: not meant to offend, but i really wasn't thinking about how the damned thing looked nor what anyone thought of it, since if i wasted my time to type it perfectly and sent it to a publisher to proofread and then posted it, someone would find reason to comment on how proper it was. what difference does it really make? if someone wants to read it in all it's ugliness they will, those who don't won't. other than that was there anything else in there that personally offended you?

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:36 am Post subject:

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par·a·graph (pr-grf)
n.

1. A distinct division of written or printed matter that begins on a new, usually indented line, consists of one or more sentences, and typically deals with a single thought or topic or quotes one speaker's continuous words.

2. would have been more impressive if you wrote it off the top of your head, instead of the waste of time it took copying and pasting it .

and nothing personal matt, but who talks in paragraphs.

Hey hey Jwin, we feel you. Calm man, he was just only kidding. Dont get your blood pressure raised over EA, its just not worth it.

Alright, let's stop ruining this thread with petty infighting.

As of now, we're weak. It's a bunch of "forum hooligans" whining about bugs and a crappy game. We should, as a community, craft a press release to send to sites like OS, IGN, GameSpy, Joystiq, etc. We should set up a site for the sole purpose of displaying it so as to avoid presenting the things like just happened above with the more mature release.

We should agree on the language and the list of our grievances, acquire a prominant initial number of signatures, then present it. The we can keep gathering signatures and keep submitting it to EA. (We should leave the major media sites alone after the initial informing as they'd probably tire of us quickly.)

I don't think this is the thread to start crafting such a thing, I'm just floating the idea here.

good one, ben.

But the idea of a class action suit against EA sports? Lol, is that dude dweaver? Seriously, on what grounds? "uh, your honor, you cant make subs in the game, i want a million dollars."

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*laugh!* Thats classic, matt. I like the idea of suing them, but hell, if I was the lawyer I dun think I can said that with a straight face to the judge.

*LAUGH!* fark!!

Dude, seriously, use the edit function.

Right....you can quote more than one post at once......

Yeah, mrtistrm, you posted 7 times in this thread today. There's no rule that says you can't do that. But out of common courtesy, try and say all that you have to say in less posts in the future.

Well I'm glad people are starting to see what Benji writes is worth aknowledging, with or without an avatar.

As for Phillipino's, I feel sorry for people like Shadowgrin who get caught up in my jokes, but the good thing is he knows I'm making fun of the stereotype and not him, but thats way off topic.

But the idea of a class action suit against EA sports? Lol, is that dude dweaver? Seriously, on what grounds? "uh, your honor, you cant make subs in the game, i want a million dollars."

I sure hope this thread hasn'r hurt anyones feelings at EA. I mean they are ordinary human being who can't do their "Dream job" right. I'd be embarrassed if I did somthing "i loved" as bad as they have made NBA live over the past 5 years. Then they play the whole "we have feelings" card and can't even own upto their mistakes. Typical Canadians (oooh there goes another racist remark).

But seriously, I cant be fucked caring anymore. I'll just continue playing nba 2k until the entire team ate EA Canada jump off a cliff or I get sick of basketball. I don't see NBA Live ever improving while these leeches contrinue to destroy the legacy of NBA video games.

LMAO! I LOVE YOUR STYLE MAN!

Haha that had me cracking up for a while.

But sue them for: False advertisement:

1. Sig Shots

2. 360 Motion

3. Erasing code and starting from scratch.

All lies, unless they're really so untalented that the only new code they can write is the same as before, ART is not Canadian! Post that on your bumper stickers people!


ART IS NOT CANADIAN!

Typical Canadians (oooh there goes another racist remark)

Canadians are not a race.

How would I go about contacting EA? Is there an email address?

All I can see is the EA Sports customer support thing that you use there website to send a question. Is this what everyone else tried?