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- Tony Parker - shoots threes occasionally but he makes them with exellent 50%! With his 3pt 62 in the game it's almost impossible to make half of open threes. I think he deserves something like 65-70.
- James Jones - he shoots a lot of threes but his percentage from the perimeter is .407. So I don't think he deserves 3pt 81.
- Luther Head - he made 102 threepointers with .440% this season. And his FG% is also very good .429%. So I think he deserves to be Star Shooter. For comparison Wally Szczrbiak made 93 threes this season. His FG% - .407, 3pt% - .366 and he is Star Shooter.

Andrew make some look on j.o'neal ofensive rebounds ! He take 2.4 offensive boards per game and have only 44 of.reb. rating, Amare take the same and have 70 Fix it please

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. I can't promise I'll make every change that's suggested but some really good ones have been made so I'll be checking them out.

I don't know if it has been addressed before but what's up with some starters playing limited minutes in season mode? For example, one time Duncan plays 35-40 mintues and the next game, without an injury suddenly only 10 Minutes. Same counts for McGrady and Wells. Even funnier when you consider their replacements averaging nearly the same stats as the starters. Kinda weird seeing Bonner averaging 35 - 15.

It's not my rosters. Nothing I've changed would cause that.

Andrew make some look on j.o'neal ofensive rebounds ! He take 2.4 offensive boards per game and have only 44 of.reb. rating, Amare take the same and have 70 Fix it please

I can take a look at it of course, but why are you rolling your eyes at that?

hey andrew i just got around to trying your rosters out tonight. First off let me say this: Excellent work as always.

Feedback:
Jazz- Even though the outside screen says deron williams is superstar playmaker he is only star in game, is this EA's bugginess? i remember that occurring with hinrich originally too. i havent looked at the numbers yet because if i do i'll start falling asleep but i got what appeared to be for a video game semirealistic. Good work on upping them to how they play this season.

Bulls-Alright man, i know you like them (and they are my NBA team of choice)...but i'm confused by some of the ratings (but i will admit i dont know what corresponds to what) is a 75 approximately 33% in results for luol deng? Just curious, i'll look up stats when i get a chance and hit ya back but for me 75 rated players would make 3's WAY more than than Luols real percentage. Thanks man.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. I can't promise I'll make every change that's suggested but some really good ones have been made so I'll be checking them out.

I don't know if it has been addressed before but what's up with some starters playing limited minutes in season mode? For example, one time Duncan plays 35-40 mintues and the next game, without an injury suddenly only 10 Minutes. Same counts for McGrady and Wells. Even funnier when you consider their replacements averaging nearly the same stats as the starters. Kinda weird seeing Bonner averaging 35 - 15.

It's not my rosters. Nothing I've changed would cause that.

Andrew make some look on j.o'neal ofensive rebounds ! He take 2.4 offensive boards per game and have only 44 of.reb. rating, Amare take the same and have 70 Fix it please

I can take a look at it of course, but why are you rolling your eyes at that?

Thanks for the intel Andrew. I'll try uninstalling each patch one by one to see what this is causing.

There should be reordered All-Star and Rookie/Soph. game rosters. And Iverson is still in the East. Accept in season/dynasty. In Play Now mode.

Jazz- Even though the outside screen says deron williams is superstar playmaker he is only star in game, is this EA's bugginess? i remember that occurring with hinrich originally too. i havent looked at the numbers yet because if i do i'll start falling asleep but i got what appeared to be for a video game semirealistic. Good work on upping them to how they play this season.

Sounds like a bug to me, if a player has the ratings to qualify for Star or Superstar FSS then they should be able to perform the appropriate moves for their particular FSS level. Nothing I've changed should force the game to do otherwise. I'll take another look to see if there's anything that can be done though.

Bulls-Alright man, i know you like them (and they are my NBA team of choice)...but i'm confused by some of the ratings (but i will admit i dont know what corresponds to what) is a 75 approximately 33% in results for luol deng? Just curious, i'll look up stats when i get a chance and hit ya back but for me 75 rated players would make 3's WAY more than than Luols real percentage. Thanks man.

Do you mean his three point rating? I overlooked that in v1.00, I've already pegged that to come down.

I think that there is just no icon for Star level Playmaker in game menu because all playmaker players have Superstar icon. But actually during gameplay you can notice that Jason Williams, Deron Williams, TJ Ford and some other playmakers have Star type. And some players who really deserves to be Superstar Playmaker like Steve Nash, Andre Miller actually have Superstar type. So that's all okay. It's just another bug by EA. We have already got accustomed to this.
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Andrew please take another look at Al Jefferson. He provides the best season in his career averaging 13.9 points+10.6 rebounds+1.5 blocks: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/al_jeffer ... stats.html

Thanks andrew, i wrote that at some ungodly level of exhaustion and yes i meant for luol dengs 3pt rating....my bad on not being clear and rambling...i gotta learn to stop posting with my eyes half open

No worries illini. It's already been taken care of in anticipation of v1.01.

Andrew please take another look at Al Jefferson. He provides the best season in his career averaging 13.9 points+10.6 rebounds+1.5 blocks: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/al_jeffer ... stats.html

No problem, thanks for the heads u.

You MUST be a rocket fan, and Im with you.

25% is pretty bad but you do have a point even if its a meaningless one, why would you want to shoot 3's with him?

He shoots threes in the NBA. Ok not very good but he does it. So why in the game he can't shoot them? Its just unrealistic.

Which players have similar stats?

I wrote it before. Couple examples special for you :
-Rip Hamilton - Gordon's FG percentage is .457 and he has fg 86. Rip Hamilton's FG% is .459 but he has fg only 80. And note that Rip shoots more mid range jump shots than Gordon. Or look at rebounding averages. Rip makes more rebounds per game than Gordon but their reb.ratings are similar. And so on. I can give much more examples by Hamilton.

Actually in terms of jumpshot efficiency Ben Gordon relies more on his jumper than RIP does. Ben is avg 13.6PPG on jumpers, RIP avg 11.3 on a lower%. And thats with Ben creating more off the dribble rather than assisted jumpers like RIP gets coming off those screens so you could make the case for Ben being the better shooter.

If we're basing this on this year only then in terms of MidRange shots, Ben has also been lights out. Just take alook at their MidRange efficiency.

Ben: 138/296 46%


RIP: 85/196 43%


Ben take and makes more of his attempts, I think hes proven his worth.

As for their rebounding outputs youd be hard pressed to find more pathetic rebounders than these 2. They have exact identical def reb rates (both are at 8.7) on the offensive end RIP is alittle better.

- Shane Battier - has FG% .450 and fg in game 70 while Mike Dunleavy has FG% .441 and fg in game 76. Also Battier's 3pt% is .430 - its very good. He ranks #9 in the League in 3pt FG percentage. I really don't think that 3pt 68 in game is pretty good for him. I think he deserves 75 at least. For example Tayshaun Prince has same FG% and worse 3pt% but in game his fg and 3pt are 75. And also Prince makes 0.76 block per game and has block 70 while Battier makes .75 block per game and has block 44! You see he is very underrated.

The reason they got him was so he could defend and spread the floor, he should be one of the higher rated shooters in the game. I hope in the future you can edit certain spots on the floor, like Battier is good 3pt shooter but hes lives off those close 3pters on the corner. He was also one of the few players who avg a 1.5blks 1.5stl last year, this year his role defensively is alittle different but hes still a valuable defender. Hed be my pick for DPOY, or at the least 1st team all defense.

- Carlos Boozer - among the best power forwards in the league. Very strong at rebounds and at the offensive end as well. I think he deserves Star Power Freestyle at least. He averages 22.1 points per 36.2 min and doesn't have Power Freestyle while Emeka Okafor averages 15.0 points per 35.9 min and has Power Freestyle. Or let's take rebounding averages. Carlos Boozer grabs 3.2 off.rebounds and 8.6 def.rebs per game and has of.reb-80, def.reb-85, jump-66 in game while Dwight Howard grabs 3.4 off.rebs and 8.8 def.rebs per game and has of.reb-86, def.reb-92, jump-75. I think that it dishonest. Boozer's ratings should be increased.

Per game averages can be alittle misleading in terms of figuring out whos the better rebounder. % of missed shots rebounded is a better indicater and in terms of offensive rebounding by players who play 30+ minutes, Boozer ranks 7th behind Lee, Wallace, Chandler, Okafor, Dwight and Duncan and he ranks 27th overall so hes definately among elite company Id put him a notch below Dwight.

Defensively Boozer is among the best in the NBA, he ranks 4th among players who play 30+ minutes behind only Camby, Dwight, and KG the ratings should put him in line with this.

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I stated the case before for upgrades to Jose Calderon, but here's some more supporting #s to help (besides watching him play every night)

his midrange game is outstanding right now.. excellent FG% this year (.511), though his 3 pt range is still somewhat limited (25%)... excellent driver to the basket and surprisingly quick... his PER (probably the top overall offensive statistical measure) is an extremely impressive 17.75.. great #s for a backup... if we want to measure what he's done as a starter (since he comes off the bench mostly), his last 5 games (all starting for injured ford), he's averaged 15 AND 8.5 assists per game.. needless to say, he's becoming a primetime PG in this league

Makes you wonder why they even traded for TJ huh, and I agree with you on the PER subject. Per minute avg are alot more accurate than per game avg.

Calderon is one of the more efficient PG in the league, sporting the 4th highest assist ratio to go along with the 3rd highest TrueShooting% trailing only Nash and Chauncey. Hes a decent jumpshooter but its not really his game. Hes a gifted penetrator and really looks to create for others when he does.

But this is a case where I would wait it out some more, lets see how he handles the team for alonger duration.

Well, over half the season has elasped and he's been consistant all year. He also played about the same last season with that really high assist ratio, the difference is he cut down on his turnover rate (like most second year players do) while increasing his usage rate and shooting percentage. His shooting percentage has gone up thanks to the fact he's not getting blocked anymore so he's being a lot smarter at picking his shots, and he's hitting more of his three's.

Last year he was a 9pts 8ast 50% shooter who had one of the highest turnover rates at his position...this year with that rate lower, he's posting 16pts 9asts and 59% shooting...that's 12pts 8asts 54% shooting and 14.38 PER for the 100 games of his career...he's been so good this year that his 98.5 ortg of last year has turned into a 106.3 rating for his career...

I don't know his rating in Andrews' roster, but he certainly deserves a boost over EA's original rating.

Well, over half the season has elasped and he's been consistant all year. He also played about the same last season with that really high assist ratio, the difference is he cut down on his turnover rate (like most second year players do) while increasing his usage rate and shooting percentage. His shooting percentage has gone up thanks to the fact he's not getting blocked anymore so he's being a lot smarter at picking his shots, and he's hitting more of his three's.

Last year he was a 9pts 8ast 50% shooter who had one of the highest turnover rates at his position...this year with that rate lower, he's posting 16pts 9asts and 59% shooting...that's 12pts 8asts 54% shooting and 14.38 PER for the 100 games of his career...he's been so good this year that his 98.5 ortg of last year has turned into a 106.3 rating for his career...

I don't know his rating in Andrews' roster, but he certainly deserves a boost over EA's original rating.

Agreed, hes always been a good passer but his assist ratio is looking alot more imressive now that hes creating so many more plays. Definately worthy of a boost but Im not ready to suggest hes a top 10 pg unless the sample size grows considerably. Ive seen this before, his PER can take a hit rather quickly if he was forced to play 30+ minutes for a long period of time. I dont know what his ratings are but quickness, passing, off. awareness, and mid range shooting boosts might be in order.

Andrew this Calderon kid is definately a guy who should be on your radar.

Well, he's close to 25 minutes per game for his career...and I've seen no reason to doubt his physical ability to log 30+ minutes. Considering he already increased his usage, while also increasing his efficiency. Players play better when they get more and consistant minutes.

His PER is 11th among point guards, and the guys right behind him are Ford, Deron Williams, Jason Terry and Barbosa. Maurice Williams, Earl Boykins and Kirk Hinrich are slightly down the list, and Chucky Atkins is right above him. He is easily in the mix with those guys, as each one has some sort of significant flaw to his game (unlike the guys in the top ten, who have more rounded games).

Based on his original ratings, EA has him a 56 FT rating (83% this year, 85% last), a 74 passer (there's only a handful of guys as good or better...he lead the league last year, this year is third) and his other shooting ratings are in the 60s. Some areas to look at.

Well, he's close to 25 minutes per game for his career...and I've seen no reason to doubt his physical ability to log 30+ minutes. Considering he already increased his usage, while also increasing his efficiency. Players play better when they get more and consistant minutes.

His PER is 11th among point guards, and the guys right behind him are Ford, Deron Williams, Jason Terry and Barbosa. Maurice Williams, Earl Boykins and Kirk Hinrich are slightly down the list, and Chucky Atkins is right above him. He is easily in the mix with those guys, as each one has some sort of significant flaw to his game (unlike the guys in the top ten, who have more rounded games).

Based on his original ratings, EA has him a 56 FT rating (83% this year, 85% last), a 74 passer (there's only a handful of guys as good or better...he lead the league last year, this year is third) and his other shooting ratings are in the 60s. Some areas to look at.

Players CAN play better with more consistant minutes but they can also take a step back once they realize that consistant level of play is expected every game. I wont be impressed untill he sports a high PER while posting higher per minute averages. Its one thing to be in the top 10 in PER, its quite another to do that logging HEAVY minutes. Calderon has not proven capable of this demanding role. A prominent example is Spurs backup PG Beno Udrih. A year before he was looking ready to blossom in his gauranteed backup PG job with Nick retiring he tooks a step back. Calderon is playing great right now but that spotlight gets brighter the longer you perform. Lets see how he handles it.

Think of it as the Kevin Martin rule, you appreciate the job hes doing with the oppertunity given to him, but you dont truly give him his credit untill he breaks out and has a career year like Kmart is having.

I've updated some of Calderon's ratings in v1.01 but looks like I'll have to go back and look over them again. Thanks guys.

Actually players usually do play better with better minutes, there's been a couple studies, Hollinger's is the most famous.

I don't think Udrih is a great example for a couple of reasons, in 2006 he only logged 11mpg, and was at 13mpg going into this season (current at 14). Unlike Calderon who's logged 25mpg for his career. Not only that, the only difference between him this season and his last two seasons statistically is that his shot has deserted him, especially his three point shot which was a career 39% and has fallen to 25% this year. If he was shooting the same as the rest of his career he'd be posting another 14-15 PER.

Martin is a different situation as well, he's basically the same player as last year with 33% more possessions. He shot the lights out last season, but with Wells gone and Miller injured to start the year he was able to boost his possession usage and thusly "blew up" despite his metrics not being too much different from the year before. Martin's case is similar to Redd, Zach Randolph, Gilbert Arenas and Jermaine O'Neal who were all lavashed upon as "blowing up" despite just getting more minutes/possessions. Sure, those increases turned them into stars, but they were essentially the same player as they were previously.

Of course I'd never say Calderon is a 19-20 PER player, and would question if he was even an 18 PER player until he does it for a year and a half. But I don't think it's anywhere near a stretch to say he's a 15.5-17 PER player depending on his defense, which I haven't looked at. Right now, despite his starting gigs, Calderon's situation looks like that of a sixth man. He's stuck behind a better known player who's essentially just as good...

I'd go on, but I think I've hijacked Andrew's thread enough...we should find somewhere to further our discussions...

Actually players usually do play better with better minutes, there's been a couple studies, Hollinger's is the most famous.

I don't think Udrih is a great example for a couple of reasons, in 2006 he only logged 11mpg, and was at 13mpg going into this season (current at 14). Unlike Calderon who's logged 25mpg for his career. Not only that, the only difference between him this season and his last two seasons statistically is that his shot has deserted him, especially his three point shot which was a career 39% and has fallen to 25% this year. If he was shooting the same as the rest of his career he'd be posting another 14-15 PER.

But the basis is the same, the reason his minutes are down is because of his struggles but fair enough. You want better comparables then Ill do the best I can.

Stromile Swift spent 5 years in Memphis posting PER figures of 17, 18 and 19 all while logging 22-26 minutes a night. He looked on the verge of breaking out then expectations rose and he flopped in Houston. Hes not doing any better now that hes back in Memphis either.

Martin is a different situation as well, he's basically the same player as last year with 33% more possessions. He shot the lights out last season, but with Wells gone and Miller injured to start the year he was able to boost his possession usage and thusly "blew up" despite his metrics not being too much different from the year before. Martin's case is similar to Redd, Zach Randolph, Gilbert Arenas and Jermaine O'Neal who were all lavashed upon as "blowing up" despite just getting more minutes/possessions. Sure, those increases turned them into stars, but they were essentially the same player as they were previously.

This is true with Zach Randolph everyone could see he was ready to breakout in terms of per game avg but only a few knew he was basically the same player on a per minute basis. But hes a great example of what it would take in order for me to suggest Calderon is at that level of play. A consistant effort logging heavy minutes night in night out. Untill that happens I would say hes one of the better backups in the league but I wouldnt rate him as high as those around him in terms of PER but play many more minutes.

Redd like Calderon had a high PER in his off the bench days. Then he broke out and became an all star. Funny thing is on a per minute basis he experience a bit of a drop.

Thats my little rule of thumb when editing rosters or thinking about a players value, its better for a player to have a PER of 18 but play 30+ minutes than be a 20 minute player with a PER around the 20's.

As for Jermaine and Arenas their story is alil different. Arenas was more or less a product of the rule changes. He wouldve still improved but his early day numbers never suggested he could be an MVP candidate. He used to shoot sub 40% from the field. Jermaine on the other hand actually improved his PER.

On the subject of increased usage rate well its not just something that happens, its a skill like any other. The fact that they were able to create more plays or shots shouldnt be disregarded. In many cases its the fact that they couldnt increase their usage rate that has kept them from breaking out.

Of course I'd never say Calderon is a 19-20 PER player, and would question if he was even an 18 PER player until he does it for a year and a half. But I don't think it's anywhere near a stretch to say he's a 15.5-17 PER player depending on his defense, which I haven't looked at. Right now, despite his starting gigs, Calderon's situation looks like that of a sixth man. He's stuck behind a better known player who's essentially just as good...

Thats what Ive been getting at as of now his career year is at 18.8, numbers wise hes a notch below Jason Kidd and Baron Davis, but ahead of Deron Williams and Andre Miller. So if we were to take what hes doing as a sign of his skill level then a rating with those guys would be appropiate. But thats where the Minutes played becomes a factor. I need more proof, this is a nice sign of potential. But potential has backfired before. I would rate him lower than TJ Ford even though he may be the better player simply because of the fact TJ is more proven.

I'd go on, but I think I've hijacked Andrew's thread enough...we should find somewhere to further our discussions...

Agreed but Im allready exhausted on Calderon. But Ill just say it wouldnt suprise me if he became an all star BUT at the same time it wouldnt surprise me if a team signed him to a huge contract only to see him Flop.