Response from EA about the NBA Live 07 bugs.

[Pera]

What about the next-gen version? Does it have the same bugs or even worse? I mean this is a joke.I'm trying to play a game and I quit half-way,because it pisses me of so much.I would be happy if they would release live 06,just with the improved gameplay.I would be fine with it and I think many others would be also.I think i'll never get Live again or until they fixed the major flaws of the game.This is really to much.Year after year,we send a wishlist that they improve something.They do ,like gameplay,but they fuck everything else.And I'm sure the testers mentioned the bugs,but they just didn't listen.This is the second dissapointment for me this year,first it was NHL and now this,damn .

[Jugs]

Next-gen is a joke, the frame rate lags, some animations are fucking terrible

[Donatello]

I think what's more upsetting than the shoddy product they released is the way they're handling the response to it.

[el badman]

I think what's more upsetting than the shoddy product they released is the way they're handling the response to it.

True, even though I wouldn't expect anything else from EA...
They're probably counting their millions right now and I don't think we'll get a patch anytime soon.

[Makoy25]

they should really consider patching this years live, it aint right man..spending our hard earned money on bugged untested game sucks..those guys at EA should really consider their customers!! not just earning money out of a garbage game..EA WAKE UP!!!!!

[Jackal]

Good day Sir/Ma'am,

I am a long time fan of the NBA Live series. I've owned (legally) every NBA Live since NBA Live 2000, Live 2002 being the exception. Now that you have a short introduction to my loyalties towards the game your company releases, let's carry on.

I am a member of an unofficial NBA Live site named the NBA Lives Series Center, shortened the NLSC. There is another site, namely NBA Live.org. Both these sites have many many users that post on the forums on a daily basis, make patches to improve the game your company puts out there every year and eagerly waits for the next installment in the series every year. My point is, we're a community and we pride ourselves on being able to claim that we know one another & we tend to agree with each others' views. A lot of the members of both forums are respected by their fellow posters/members. This leads to the point I am trying to make...

If my fellow posters/members are unsatisfied with a product and advise me not to purchase the product, I will comply because I have bestowed that much trust in them. If my fellow posters are this disappointed in the product your company felt the need to put out despite not having tested it removed the noticeable and repeated glitches & bugs that seem to be a regular thing, I feel no need to support that company.

I know that EA is a large company and one unsatisfied customer won't do much to you folks' expanding business. Fine, that's really very well with me. But this comes as a warning kind sir/ma'am. If your company sees it fit to keep producing such a disappointing product, a day will come (perhaps this year could be that year...) that like me, many long time followers will lose hope & basically get tired of waiting for something that we as a community can be proud of. Honestly, I can not say I am a proud Live fan. In years gone by I've never thought of playing the 2K series, this year, I'm sure to buy that before I even look at NBA Live 07.

I repeat, this comes more as a warning of a long time fan than anything else. Not a threat, not a plea, just a simple warning that if EA Sports as a company does not begin to respects it's clientelle, that clientelle is going to stand up for their rights. They are going to demand their hard earned money back. They are going to boycott the product. They will join another company's camp.

EA as a company will keep making money, I am not saying you won't. You will. But I assure you, slowly and steadily your "big" name will fall. It will drop in the eyes of consumers as it has dropped in mine. Sooner or later, it will happen.

From a very very very disappointed previous customer,

My Name.
My E-Mail@hotmail.com
The Netherlands.

The most simple solution to the problem of EA releasing bullshit and worthless products is this, don't buy their products. I can not stress enough how important it is to make a stand against this bullshit. They are taking all of us for granted, it just can not go on like this any longer. If you want change, you've got to be willing to sacrifice. If you can not sacrifice, forget change. How much are you willing to bet I receive nothing in return?

Slowly it will begin...

[Stonecold]

Hey Donatello, you are doing a good job. Don't you give up my friend. Keep fighting for NLSC community. FUCK EA. Who care if someone in EA get fired. Keep fighting until we have a patch atleast fix the shit sub. You have my support 100%

[Fenix]

Another great e-mail . Jackal is completely right. No need to stay passive and hope for the best. EA wants to sell their product to us, their target population. We have the power, we have to make the decision whether we'll buy this game or not. I say not, because this game is not worth buying. Until it is, we have to search for an alternative and stay proactive. I hate when people say 'all you do is bitch and moan'. That will do much more good than staying quiet. Like I said, the decision is ours. Petitions, bitching and moaning are our weapons. We should use them.

[benji]

Good to see more people are coming to the side of reason even if they're being labeled as "bandwagoners" by some. The problem isn't that EA completely botched this release, it's that they've been off their game for so long and we've just accepted it that they felt they could get away with putting out such a piece of trash.

Jackal's e-mail hits on the point of a loss of faith in EA. (And if one had to quibble with Jackal's e-mail, it's that because of this crap there won't be a nbalive.org anymore.) But it's not just us, it's the Madden people, the NHL people, the Battlefield 2 people. We're all losing faith in EA because they're failing to deliver again and again. While we NBA gamers have at least somewhere else to go on the consoles, the PC only of us can't and the NFLers definately can't go anywhere else.

There's a reason BF2 is losing players, EA is losing money, etc. This Live debacle is just one example in a ton of them.

[bigh0rt]

Another great e-mail . Jackal is completely right. No need to stay passive and hope for the best. EA wants to sell their product to us, their target population. We have the power, we have to make the decision whether we'll buy this game or not. I say not, because this game is not worth buying. Until it is, we have to search for an alternative and stay proactive. I hate when people say 'all you do is bitch and moan'. That will do much more good than staying quiet. Like I said, the decision is ours. Petitions, bitching and moaning are our weapons. We should use them.

There is certainly a bold line between using your weapons and bitching and moaning. The petition, what Donatello and Jackal are doing, etc. are super -- and hopefully they are successful in their efforts -- I wish them the best. However, when somebody posts the same damn tirade and simply regurgatates what has been said over and over already, it gets a bit tiresome. It'd be like somebody logging in right now and starting a thread entitled: "NO CPU SUBS WTF?!?!?!?!" Do you really want to see that thread? We're all aware of the problems, and we're making strides towards solving them. To a large degree, the strides are unfortunately out of our hands; but efforts should be made in a way in which we actually have a possibility of seeing change rather than just posting for the sake of posting, which is what I honestly feel a great deal of people unfortunately do.

Am I rambling here, or are you following me?

My point is, there's a very large difference in the petition, in Donatello and Jackal's e-mails, and the guys who parade around 07 General Issues spouting off 'FUCK EA!!!! ' etc. etc. The former, is great, and everyone should be for it, just as the latter should not be condoned, and the imbeciles who partake in it should be dealt with accordingly.

[Cable]

Yeah, it's good to know that at least some of us here aren't fuckwits who have no idea how to solve their problems. Great email Jackal. Make sure you let us know the response.

If it comes to it, would a mass email tirade to EA work? Like write a form email and everyone send it?

[Fenix]

I agree with you. 'Bitching and moaning' needs to have a purpose and needs to be intelligent and not (too) vulgar. But in the end we still need to fight for our rights (send e-mails with complaints, petiton with request for a patch, etc.) and we need to do everything that is in our power to better our situation and the bad part of it is also the fact that the EA has the monopoly on PCs as far as basketball situations go - that is where the '2k8 for the PC' petition comes in. Point is, being passive, support EA and quitely hope for the situation to improve is the worst thing we could do right now. But like you already said, we need to stay articulate and reasonable in the means we use.

Benji put it nicely - it's not only Live 07. The problems runs much deeper and here for a while now. And we - as the ones who buy EA's products and give them their alleged power - have the means to change the situation. Perhaps not now, perhaps not tomorrow, but in the grand scheme of things, we can force a change and cause that Live 09 or 10 will be infinitely better than this piece of crap. Or that 2kSports will convert 2k8 for the PC. We can at least try.

[BZ]

Nice email Jackal and Donatello Well, I live near EA Sports here in Vancouver anywho, so if we could get enough people in this forum that live in the 604, we could all gather at EA Sports and hope to berate them on this disasterpiece.

[cyanide]

The most simple solution to the problem of EA releasing bullshit and worthless products is this, don't buy their products. I can not stress enough how important it is to make a stand against this bullshit. They are taking all of us for granted, it just can not go on like this any longer. If you want change, you've got to be willing to sacrifice. If you can not sacrifice, forget change. How much are you willing to bet I receive nothing in return?

Slowly it will begin...

One of the best posts I've read in the last few days. That e-mail and this post is something everyone should read.

If it comes to it, would a mass email tirade to EA work? Like write a form email and everyone send it?

In just under two days, I have over 150 e-mails of support, and I still have a big-name EA guy's e-mail. Sure, it's equivalent to blowing up the parliament building, but unless there's some indication that EA is willing to make change, or it's up to us to make change.

[deathwalker]

Maybe if we all stoped buying the game, that would help even more.

yes

the only way!

and i will do so!

thx&bye
d.

[[Q]]

Donatello and JAckal's emails were great . EA seems to be ignoring everything the community is saying.

I posted this on the EA forums a couple days ago when this forum was down. I wanted them to know how a lot of people were feeling, and I thought that being EA Sports forums, it's like EA's backyard so they HAD to see it. But anyways this was my post:

Re: Post all Live Vs 2K stuff here
Posted:Sep 27, 2006 9:24 PM in response to: dakingroundhere... Reply Alert


honestly as a Live (PC) player since Live '95, I think that EA (Canada, at least) is losing its touch. I think Live 07 is the last straw for a lot of loyal Live players that have been frustrated for the last few years. I am still trying to give Live a chance before jumping ship to that other game, but I have yet to buy an NBA game this year and I need more info on Live before buying (I've played 2k7 and was very impressed). The best years of Live came before a lot of Live players today picked it up (98-2000) and it was when the PC version was no doubt the way to go. Times change, and I think if continues to put out half-made games with all kinds of major bugs, they will continue to lose loyal Live gamers to 2k (things like the infamous "CPU catchup bug" to 2005's blocking issue to 06's rebounding issues to this year's substitutions). 2k next-gen has capitalized on the missteps of Live from the last couple of years and it has worked for the most part (issues like players skating like in the NHL, issues with physics... [nothing should be going through the backboard]). This year's Live I feel will help continue this trend, especially with reported major issues... I have been a die-hard EA Sports fan for over 10 years and I would love to see Live return to its glory days of dominance over its competitors but I just don't see that happening with this version of Live.

and also I just responded to this guy on there:

"I am a Store Manager for Gamestop and most of my customers are asking me what should they buy live or 2k. Instead of being unprofessional and dishonest I let the customer decide. I have live in our 360 interactive and the customers play for 5 min and come up to the counter and ask for 2k7. They don't need a review the game speaks for itself. I know my company did a sameday on live and bought thousands of copies. But the game just isn't good quality. I think live is better on the current Gen but 360 needs a lot of work. Live is a blast on reg Xbox."

I am in the same boat as nolesfan69p. I work at a Circuit City store and I cannot honestly advise anyone to buy Live 07 over 2k7, because I have played both. Plus, our in-store version of 2k7 on XBox 360 just sells itself. Countless people have come up to me wanting to buy 2k7 right after playing the game in our store.

It doesn't seem like EA's even reading the stuff they posted over there... I also love it how on the EA forums people are just too stupid to realize there are major bugs in the game.

[ThaLiveKing]

I think they should try to get some fans in on the development, just to REALLY get an idea of what we want. . I think EA really needs a fan's perspective on the game. I wouldn't mind going over there and seeing how they do things!!

I'm sure they are gonna look at this year, and REALLY step their game up next year. EA should have an ego when it comes to NBA Live cause they've been doing this the longest. They shouldn't let NBA 2k7 get all the better reviews. For EA that should be unacceptable lol . . just trying to motivate

[Jackal]

I'm sure they are gonna look at this year, and REALLY step their game up next year.

I'm certain a handful of people shared the same sentiment. Last year.

There were people that went "oh, Live 06 isn't so good, watch them explode with 07". Footplanting? Whoo fucking hoo. It is the fans that keep making excuses for EA and in return EA gives you a shoddy product for you to make more excuses for them. Oh, Live 08 will suck and then we'll say now wait and watch, they will re-introduce layups in Live 09.

All the while EA goes, hmm, add footplanting & remove subbing, you win some, you lose some. Ha ha.

I'm yet to find an answer as to why the in game saves from Live 2000 were removed.

[NBA Live 2006]

I wish there was a way to return all the games we bought. this is no not worth 40 bucks! The screwed up thing is, we the loyal gamers since 90's don't have much power i feel. The game wil still sell to little kids even if 500 of us here return it or complain, thats still only 500 out of 100,000 or more sales globally!

[Jackal]

thats still only 500 out of 100,000

You see it as "that's still only 500", I see it as that's already 500 and more to come.

As I said, it'll start slowly but it will start. You convince your neighbour, he convinces his friend, the friend convinces his aunt Lucy, she decides not to buy it and cousin Vinnie will ask if he gets 2K, it'll happen. Slowly, steadily, it will happen.

[cyanide]

I'm yet to find an answer as to why the in game saves from Live 2000 were removed.

I say the same thing every year It's like they don't even really look at our wishlist.

[-Young Buck-]

I'm yet to find an answer as to why the in game saves from Live 2000 were removed.

I say the same thing every year It's like they don't even really look at our wishlist.

we are lucky to even get a basketball game for PC...... thats probably what they think to themselves.

[Jackal]

Sure they do, they look at our wishlist. Then they take one not so requested feature by the casual gamer/dunker/100+point scorer with Kobe Bryant and implement it and push it as their "brand new feature" and pick a much loved or well functioning feature which the long time fans/simulation fans appreciate and replace the brand new feature with the old functioning one.

Not a step towards a better game you say? Blasphemy.

[DrOoOzZz]

What country are these testers from? If its the Phillipines I might just fall off my chair (or spit out my soda, should I be drinking one...)

hey im frm the philippines.. so whats ur point? if ur here to be racist then leave.. ur comment is really not necessary.. maybe it was your drunk mom who tested the game and screwed up big time.. sorry mods for this post..

btw still hoping the ea releases a patch.. i was really excited to have this game and is still planning to buy it..

[Jowe]

I think he's implying that philippinos are incompetent.