The Annual NBA Live Traditions

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The Annual NBA Live Traditions

Postby EGarrett on Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:11 pm

I'm reposting this, as I made the actual list up last year. EA did manage to break a few of them (actually improving franchise mode for the first time in many years) and succeeding in making Live 2005 into one of the best basketball games ever made. (I really think so).

But let's see how many "traditions" survive. I already see that #2 is alive and well. And #15 came true. :wink:

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1. Someone will infer way too much from the first preview screenshots about the game, particularly that it will be nothing but a highlight reel because the first screenshots are of highlights. (check)

2. EA will claim some new graphics overhaul that makes players look better than ever. Whether it's implemented or not, it's usually forgotten within the first day or two of gameplay or the graphic changes are unnoticeable. See: Live 98, 2000, 2002, 2004...(check)

3. EA will claim to be including classic teams, only to retract it at some point due to either time or legal concerns. See: Live 96, 2000, 2001, 2004...(amazingly yet to happen)

4. There will be vague claims of specific updates to franchise mode, only to find that the changes are lazy and insignificant at best, and with one or two changes the mode is the same as last year. See: Live 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 (check)

5. Someone will guess that Michael Jordan will be the coverman for this year's game, before and after preview photos are released. See: Live 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004

6. EA will claim that signature moves have been implemented for specific players, but will never say exactly which players have them or how to execute them...and curiously no one will ever be able to get any of them to work until EA eventually admits that there are no signature moves. See: 98, 2000, 2002, 2003,

7. Someone will claim that they managed to put in each player's individual jump shot style...and will note that Peja Stojakovic's shot looks JUST like his real one. And when confronted with the reality that there is no such thing in the game and Peja's shot looks just like everyone else's...they will quietly slink away. See: Every preview forum for each Live since 2000...

8. EA will ignore wishlists and introduce a brand new gimmick that no one wanted or requested as the key feature for this year's version. It will be interesting but totally overpowered and make it far too easy to score. Until next year's version when it is neutered completely and replaced by the new gimmick. (check. See: The 2001 floater and post-up game, Freestyle control, The Pro Hop, Freestyle Air)

9. EA admits that last year's game had such and such major flaws that have no been perfectly fixed in this years game...and they have been improved...but the new engine now introduces some brand new massive flaw that they will claim to have fixed next year. See: Live 96, 97, 98, 99, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)

10. Many, many people on the NLSC will listen to early reports of the flaws in the game and truly believe that EA will fix all of them in the two weeks between the console release and the PC release. (See: Every Live since the NLSC opened)

11. Most of those same people will also expect a patch from EA that fixes the flaws in the game...only to be heartbroken when none comes. (See: Live 2001, 2003, 2004)

12. Rebounding will be very messed up...but people like me will claim that it works perfectly in the first few days. (See: posts from me about Live 2002, 2003 shortly after their release)

13. Someone will confuse the early high-rendered concept shots with actual in-game footage See: Live 2000 (Tim Duncan and Jordan), 2001 (KG and Duncan), 2004 (Yao and T-Mac) etc... (check)

14. Someone will be shocked that they're STILL using those uncool "salary points" instead of actual dollars for franchise mode salaries, though EA is legally unable to use dollar salaries. (See: Live 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)

15. I will play the game every day despite it's flaws. (95, 96, 98, 99, 00, 01, 02, 03, 04)
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Postby J@3 on Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:10 pm

15. I will play the game every day despite it's flaws. (95, 96, 98, 99, 00, 01, 02, 03, 04)


I'll hire it but if it's rubbish I'll just get the new ESPN one... that isn't called ESPN.

14. Someone will be shocked that they're STILL using those uncool "salary points" instead of actual dollars for franchise mode salaries, though EA is legally unable to use dollar salaries.


Don't they use dollar salaries in Live 05?
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Postby Ruff Ryder on Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:23 pm

Jae wrote:
15. I will play the game every day despite it's flaws. (95, 96, 98, 99, 00, 01, 02, 03, 04)


I'll hire it but if it's rubbish I'll just get the new ESPN one... that isn't called ESPN.

14. Someone will be shocked that they're STILL using those uncool "salary points" instead of actual dollars for franchise mode salaries, though EA is legally unable to use dollar salaries.


Don't they use dollar salaries in Live 05?

Yep. I'm guessing this was a repost from sometime before Live 05 was out. Live 05 wasn't mentioned, so either one of two things happened.
1.)As I said this was a repost from before the release date.
2.)It's absolutely perfect in EG's eyes. (I doubt it)
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Postby T-Comm55 on Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:25 am

Well no game is perfect and each year we take two steps forward and one step backward in our journey towards perfection. It is a slow journey and we go on it only on the hope that someday we will get there.
NBA Live 2003 is the best game ever made.
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Postby EGarrett on Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:17 am

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Jae wrote:
15. I will play the game every day despite it's flaws. (95, 96, 98, 99, 00, 01, 02, 03, 04)


I'll hire it but if it's rubbish I'll just get the new ESPN one... that isn't called ESPN.

14. Someone will be shocked that they're STILL using those uncool "salary points" instead of actual dollars for franchise mode salaries, though EA is legally unable to use dollar salaries.


Don't they use dollar salaries in Live 05?

Yep. I'm guessing this was a repost from sometime before Live 05 was out. Live 05 wasn't mentioned, so either one of two things happened.
1.)As I said this was a repost from before the release date.
2.)It's absolutely perfect in EG's eyes. (I doubt it)


Yeah, it's a repost from before Live 2005 came out.

2005 annoys me at times, mainly by the computer cheating during gameplay and how difficult it is to scroll through scouting menus, but it's still easily the best NBA Live I've played. There are some times when I end up having fun battles against the computer, which hadn't really happened since Live 2001. And the Dynasty Mode and Features are great.

EA has broken a few of the traditions (as Jae said, using actual dollars in Franchise), but they still seem to be crowing about total graphical overhauls and other cliched stuff.
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Postby J@3 on Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:57 am

I think the mass hype over the graphics (RAY ALLEN SWEATS!@?!?@!@) mixed with the fact that they've acknowledged it's a "fast break" type of game means we're pretty much screwed.
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Postby Ruff Ryder on Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:07 am

Lol, NBA Live 2003...
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Postby T-Comm55 on Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:43 am

isnt that good news?lol
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Postby Jowe on Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:13 pm

T-Comm55 wrote:Well no game is perfect and each year we take two steps forward and one step backward in our journey towards perfection. It is a slow journey and we go on it only on the hope that someday we will get there.


More like take out 4 features and ad one new one.


We still haven't gotten out ingame save save feature, and they took that out in nba live 2001. :roll:
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Postby Andreas Dahl on Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:51 pm

Jowe wrote:We still haven't gotten out ingame save save feature, and they took that out in nba live 2001. :roll:
They did say that they were going to have it, but didn't have enough time to put it in there before releasing; and that they were looking to do it next (this) year.

Nice little list EG (y) Some aren't quite correct, but still nice...
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Postby alexboom on Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:24 pm

Andreas Dahl wrote:
Jowe wrote:We still haven't gotten out ingame save save feature, and they took that out in nba live 2001. :roll:
They did say that they were going to have it, but didn't have enough time to put it in there before releasing; and that they were looking to do it next (this) year.


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Postby Sauru on Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:20 am

they better do it this year
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Postby cocobee on Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:56 am

in game save feature would be a nice re-addition! I just don't have the time to play a whole realistic game nowadays.
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Postby galvatron3000 on Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:52 am

they said the catch up bug was gone and my goodness it's still there. Yao Ming running Tony Parker down full court to block the shot, OMG :x
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Postby Sauru on Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:28 am

galvatron3000 wrote:they said the catch up bug was gone and my goodness it's still there. Yao Ming running Tony Parker down full court to block the shot, OMG :x


the bug is gone. it is officially a feature now. so yeah... there ya go
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Postby MaD_hAND1e on Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:32 pm

Sauru wrote:
galvatron3000 wrote:they said the catch up bug was gone and my goodness it's still there. Yao Ming running Tony Parker down full court to block the shot, OMG :x


the bug is gone. it is officially a feature now. so yeah... there ya go


:lol: Yea.. well... the EA developers, in deciding how the gameplay should be for live 2005, only watched the Pistons-Pacers Eastern conference finals last year and Prince's catch up block on Miller, so they decided "hey! this must happen regularly in the NBA", so now it's an official feature, for 06 they'll include it at the back of the box.

hey... wait a minute... maybe thats the signature move they promised us to include :cool:
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Postby EGarrett on Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:45 am

Did anyone else notice that on superstar mode, you really can't take anyone off the dribble? Allen Iverson can't take Joel Pryzbilla to the hole unless he gets lucky and makes him do that "I fell for your crossover" animation.

That's really annoying. Even if you set freestyle effectiveness at 100 it doesn't work.

There needs to be a "CPU Catch-Up Speed" slider. Cutting down on that would make the game so much better.

The only other way to take someone off the dribble is to use freestyle to take off from triple threat position (that's way I do it all the time now actually), or take your defender ALL the way back to right in front of the halfcourt line...call for the clear-out, crossover and turbo all the way to the basket. You'll just barely edge him out.
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Postby J@3 on Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:10 am

I just pick and roll like crazy on superstar mode. I've never really had a problem getting past players that way.
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