technical fouls?

[Mike Bradford]

one thing that occured to me is that the only way to pick up a technical foul is by calling too many timeouts, which the CPU never does. i think they need to incorporate a way to argue a call made by an official, which could result in more calls swinging in a players favour, or by picking up a tech, and having less calls your way. different players could recieve different ref. reactions. guys like Rasheed get t'd up 25 to 30 times a year. This is something EA should take into consideration.

[T-Comm55]

This issue has been in the wishlist every year but it cannot be put into the game because of NBA's policy which prevents EA Sports from putting fights and arguments in the game.

[Mike Bradford]

really? more legal crap eh? oh well, not something im hugely concerned with, just would be nice to have.

[Andreas Dahl]

Why did you make a duplicate thread 1,5 hours after you made the first?

I wouldn't mind seeing the coaches getting pissed over a call once in a while (See Popovich the past two games).
I think it would be a little problem with making it happen though, since I doubt it's possible for the game to recognize what is a bad call; if they just put it at random, how fun would it be to see a coach starting to argue with the ref after you threw the ball out of bounds... And yea, there's also the legal stuff regarding that the NBA does not support fights or anything like that. But I don't know if technical would fall under that category; maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.

[Mike Bradford]

yeah my bad about the thread, dont know what the hell i did there.

[Blue Nugget]

I too would like to have a 'argue a call' option just like in Madden for example. It would be quite fun watching Rasheed getting fed up after an offensive foul or whatever.

[T-Comm55]

But that lead to too many bad calls made by the ref. And besides in the NFL you could challange the call but in NBA you can't.

[Andrew]

Unsportsmanlike technicals can't be included because the NBA won't allow them, just like fights. Personally I don't want to see fights as they don't happen often enough to warrant inclusion (nor do I find them a particularly admirable aspect of the sport), but if unsportsmanlike techs ever get allowed in the game I'd hope they weren't random.

[LeBron Arda]

But that lead to too many bad calls made by the ref. And besides in the NFL you could challange the call but in NBA you can't.

TECHNICAL FOULS!!!

[Sauru]

i personally dont think this is a needed feature at all. i could probably sit here and think of 50 things that could/should be in the game before this to make it a better game.

[Mike Bradford]

as could i, but its something to consider when they're done everything else. try and work something out with the NBA

[Andrew]

Easier said than done, it's taken years for the NBA to relent and allow EA Sports to use a more realistic salary cap system (ie realistic contracts).

[Mike Bradford]

good point, probably something we wont see for years to come. oh well theres more important things to focus on.

[Metsis]

I've been on about this from time to time...

It would be good to go talk to the ref from time to time about a certain no-call/offensive foul call... It could either maybe make it a little different the next time or you could get called for the tech-foul or the ref would just shrug it off.

And if you did this many times in a game the chance for the foul call would rise quite rapidly.

This is not leagal stuff... It's just something NBA or NBPA doesn't want in the game... It took NHL hockey and NHL Hockey 95 before the fights were introduced in 96... And there are fights in almost every game.

I for one would never like to see fights in NBA game, but arguing with the ref from time to time would be nice... Sometimes refs change their minds when hearing the arguments the next time something similar happens, most of the time they don't, but some times...

Maybe there could be a intensity rating for players... The more Intense the player the more he would be able to go to the ref and complain on a call. So maybe after a bad call, you'd get an indicator on the screen that the guy is worked up enough so you could go and complain to the ref. So it wouldn't be that random and other guys could get worked up about something and others wouldn't, just like in real life. And all this would give was an opportunity to go and complain to the ref which wouldn't have to do.

So the complaining would be totally up to the user in the end... Maybe if you have like a guy like Rasheed or Artest who should get more chances at this than others and you would never complain with them, the guys could get unhappy and feel they have no support from the team management and the management wouldn't believe in them etc. So if you got a hot headed guy, you'd be wise to do it sometimes just to give them some freedom and support in this section too...

All these things are rolling in my head... Only if EA would already contact me about designing the next Live already

[Andrew]

On top of the user control, there would definitely need to be some kind of rating controlling it, as otherwise we'd surely see the CPU-controlled Duncan constantly arguing with referees and getting T'd up.

[PinoyIDOL]

I think this topic shud now be locked. Whatever we do Technical Fouls resulted from fighting or unsportsmanlike behaviour cannot be allowed in the game UNLESS NBA will allow and approve it.

End of story...

[Num33Baller]

I've been on about this from time to time...

It would be good to go talk to the ref from time to time about a certain no-call/offensive foul call... It could either maybe make it a little different the next time or you could get called for the tech-foul or the ref would just shrug it off.

And if you did this many times in a game the chance for the foul call would rise quite rapidly.

This is not leagal stuff... It's just something NBA or NBPA doesn't want in the game... It took NHL hockey and NHL Hockey 95 before the fights were introduced in 96... And there are fights in almost every game.

I for one would never like to see fights in NBA game, but arguing with the ref from time to time would be nice... Sometimes refs change their minds when hearing the arguments the next time something similar happens, most of the time they don't, but some times...

Maybe there could be a intensity rating for players... The more Intense the player the more he would be able to go to the ref and complain on a call. So maybe after a bad call, you'd get an indicator on the screen that the guy is worked up enough so you could go and complain to the ref. So it wouldn't be that random and other guys could get worked up about something and others wouldn't, just like in real life. And all this would give was an opportunity to go and complain to the ref which wouldn't have to do.

So the complaining would be totally up to the user in the end... Maybe if you have like a guy like Rasheed or Artest who should get more chances at this than others and you would never complain with them, the guys could get unhappy and feel they have no support from the team management and the management wouldn't believe in them etc. So if you got a hot headed guy, you'd be wise to do it sometimes just to give them some freedom and support in this section too...

All these things are rolling in my head... Only if EA would already contact me about designing the next Live already

I don't think there is a rating system that can handle rasheed or rodman.

[Mike Bradford]

lol no kidding, those guys go nuts.

[Sauru]

or artest for that matter. just imagine you are the pistons vs the pacers and sheed fouls artest. next thing you know you are playing street fighter instead of nba live

[Andrew]

I was just thinking, if there was a Temper rating, it would probably have to be hidden. Even if the NBA was to allow unsportsmanlike techs, they probably wouldn't want the game to advertise the fact players like Artest have a short fuse.

[Mike Bradford]

ypur probably right, they wouldnt want that, but if they hide it and the NBA were to find out, there would be all kinds of lawsuits and what not, and we might not see an NBA Live game for quite some time, not something im willing to chance at this point in time.

[Andrew]

I meant the NBA would insist on such a rating being a hidden attribute, which means it probably wouldn't be called a "Temper" rating.

[Metsis]

The rating could be hidden... And you'd have to find out if someone's a tech-prone guy or not... We know about the guys that are in the league today, but the guys coming in through the draft would be a question mark.

NBA would certainly want it to be hidden and it would ok if it was hidden. I just would like to see the players show some emotions about how the team is doing and some intensity differences between TMac and Artest. These things would make guys like Artest, Rasheed etc. a bit more intresting and would show that they do take the game a bit more intensly than most of the other players.

No street fighter mode though... There could be one in NBA Street though???

I don't want to see fights, I want to see what really happens in almost every real game in Live too. There's always someone complaining to the ref about something... It is common, and it happens in real life quite often, so it should happen in the game too by some means.

[Jux]

I think that feature would be stupid, if u can controll when a player argues with referee. That could lead a reall stupid thing if u use it too often.

But what would be cool is that players act like this by themsleves. Players should have a special rating for this ... "temperament" ... lets say. And if this is high then arguing and technical fould happen with this guy more often.

I should really take effect in palyoffs and in close games. The temperament feature should be like negative rating for the player.

I think that would be cool.

[Metsis]

The technical fouling is something that NBA and NBPA look down upon something that never should happen in a game of basket ball. This could easily make or break a game, say if Duncan pick up his fifth foul on a technical that was caused by an automated random and took off the floor with 10 minutes still on the clock. You would so be hating this feature then and actually blaming the AI of taking away your most important player when it counts the most etc. etc. I can already see the griping about this feature...

This is not a system for getting technical fouls... Remember that this is NOT a system for getting technical fouls! The system is to get better calls from the refs that are more to your advantage by talking to the ref... In basket ball there are many situations where you could call a foul on either the attacker or the defender and this is where this effect could be felt. And this is what you could possibly try to swing around in your favor by talking the ref a couple of times during a game... A sort of a mini game within the game... So next time your defender collides with an attacker in a dubious situation, you get the offensive foul call. This is the SYSTEM what we're aiming for. Not the technical foul system...

But as a matter of fact the downside to all this complaining to the ref sometimes causes technical fouls and do especially if there's a lot of talking going on with the refs through the game.

So this mini game could end up with these following decisions:
1. You get through to the ref and the next call will more likely go your way
2. The ref shruggs it off and foul calling stays the same
3. You get on the nerves of the ref and you actually persuade him to call the next one against you
4. The ref gets fed up and pull the technical on you

End result number 2 should be the most common and almost number 4 the second most common... But you could swing his foul calling sometimes. Like maybe 55% of the time the calling stays the same, 15% of the time you get called for the technical foul and 15% for both swings in your or their direction.

The system could be done without the technical fouls, but I think there's gotta be some sort of a risk in order to get the reward too... And just the ref calling getting a bit more lopsided isn't enough to make a user second guess wheter going to the ref is wise or not. Technical fouls certainly would make me consider it twice.

And people who want to play the game technical free, could play it if you could control the complaining to the ref actions of the players. There just sometimes are so wrong calls in Live 2005 that it makes me want to go and shout to the ref. So it would be cool if you could.

It would be a guessing game... A game of gamble, that could in a close game make that 2-3 point difference in the end. NBA and NBPA does not want to see aggressive behaviour on the court, but this wouldn't be so aggressive as to punching and elbowing that happens from time to time in the real NBA, this would give the players a little more character during gameplay.