Graphics different from those previewed

[Andre]

This year EA worked on giving us the supertar experience, and at least to me that's enough with the graphics they have provided for his year. IF they had no given us the superstar ablity, then yes I would bitch too.

Don't take it personally, but for me is stubborness. Can you hear youself? you're basicaly saying that Freestyle superstar is enough! 50$ bucks for it??? NO WAY!!!! It' just a bunch of new moves and animations, that's it.

Many years of this trend have brain-washed you. A new game should be a new game. Period. Why don't you also look at other games? Give credit to them instead of thinking EA owns the gaming world. Thanks God it's not the case!!!

[madskillz]

Devin112 Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:22 am Post subject:

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there's no way that you can lead in all catagories, when ur competition is mainly focused on one.

EA was the first to give you freestyle, they spent time and money and took that chance. That whole time, 2K focused on graphics and stole the idea to use next year.

This year EA worked on giving us the supertar experience, and at least to me that's enough with the graphics they have provided for his year. IF they had no given us the superstar ablity, then yes I would bitch too.

But the difference with the screens before the games release and the final is soley the JERSEY RIGHT? What else??????

You are wrong, Because 2K6(VC) proved to me that Its possible to work hard for the FANS.

Have you check out 2k6? I mean, it dont even look like 2k5 at all. On the other hand, Live looks like LIVe, I've seen Game plays of Live. sigh.

I've also heard, Tony Parker swated Shaq In live. Evn IGN said that LIVE wont the a good NBA simmulator.

I'm NOT trying to sell you guys 2k6 cuz i dont ANY benefits and i dont WORK for 2k. but for your own benefit, you should check out 2k6. check out their game plays, free styles, and all new passing and spacing.

[kelpie]

NBA Live is just an absolutely ridiculous waste of time & money, the 05 version showed some slight potential gameplay-wise but the new version is yet another major stepback, all that incredibly stupid skating, insane dunking in traffic and all that silly stuff that makes me sick after watching these videos for minutes. If you peeps out here do play ball in real life you gotta agree with me. And I truly don't care that much about graphics, what is it good for when the gameplay is a garbage, good maybe for teenage as#holes looking for some instant arcade action.

I'll keep saying this over & over - we have 2005, this is definitely not what basketball simulation is supposed to look like.

[flipz]

lol why so much 2k fans trying to campaign 2 "Gay"6 on a live board?......listen fools, no internet user is gonna convince me or any live fan to buy dat ish game, ppl dont even know wat arcade and simulation means, they just throwing out words.....kelpie plz go buy 2k, cheap 2K fans and their $20 game, so typical of them

LIVE05>>>>2K6, dats how much Live owns them

[Devin112]

This year EA worked on giving us the supertar experience, and at least to me that's enough with the graphics they have provided for his year. IF they had no given us the superstar ablity, then yes I would bitch too.

Don't take it personally, but for me is stubborness. Can you hear youself? you're basicaly saying that Freestyle superstar is enough! 50$ bucks for it??? NO WAY!!!! It' just a bunch of new moves and animations, that's it.

Many years of this trend have brain-washed you. A new game should be a new game. Period. Why don't you also look at other games? Give credit to them instead of thinking EA owns the gaming world. Thanks God it's not the case!!!

One thing that I wish we all would do, is not accuse others of being "stuborn/brainwashed/ignorant/dumb" just because their views are different. Just because they're different then yours, doesn't make your superior.

Second, please relax. I don't want you guys to bust a blood vessel, let's talk about this is in a calm and civil manner.

Okay back to the game. The superstar experience, making real life superstars super in the game is going to change it in more meaninful ways then the graphics, AS LONG AS THEY STILL IMPROVE THE GRAHPICS DECENTLY.

Like a car for example, the looks are cool of course, but a v-10 will beat looks anyday.

Why can't we have both? Because EA is busy changing the way we play NBA LIVE every year. Maybe if the just copied someone else, then they can just focus on grahpics.

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I've also heard, Tony Parker swated Shaq In live. Evn IGN said that LIVE wont the a good NBA simmulator.

I'm NOT trying to sell you guys 2k6 cuz i dont ANY benefits and i dont WORK for 2k. but for your own benefit, you should check out 2k6. check out their game plays, free styles, and all new passing and spacing.

I heard one time, at band camp..........


Freak plays happen in the NBA nightly, so if it's in the GAME it's in the game.

[madskillz]

From IGN:
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Sporting an all-new graphics engine, these are the best looking Live players to date, but this game isn't anywhere near the quality of NBA 2K6's visuals.


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so while the Superstar moves add the realism of individuality to the court, don't expect to play any realistic type of basketball game here. Sure, you can call plays and players act more realistically than in the past, but this is far from a basketball simulation


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a videogame, it's extremely fun and addicting, especially playing two-players, but if you're looking for a true sim, you're looking in the wrong place. There are way too many blocks, way too many steals to mirror anything close to a real game.

I'm ok with you Being Live Fan. I was once one of the fans.

what's up there is original preview from IGN and they RE-WROTE EVERYTHING TO MAKE IT SOUND BETTER. GO READ IT. That says all about Business World for you. however I'm not here to talk about how business works.

Being Fan of something is good, and NO I'm NOT here to make you guys to buy 2k6, in the end, it's your choice.

I'm just saying that i'm very disappointed that Live 06 didnt take Futhur breakthrough NBA sim-game.

Just so you know, I was only Fan of LIVE, because Live was BETTER than 2K.. But now TABLE HAS TURNED FOR ME.

FORGET ROYALTY WHEN IT COMES TO BUSIENSS WORLD. IT DOESNT MEAN I'M NOT ROYAL TO MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY, I JUST want to GET WHAT I PAID FOR. hopfuly you will understand

[Devin112]

I really don't know where your going with this other then the fact you prefer 2K. That's cool, we prefer LIVE. So why are we debating?

Plus, could you please not bold almost everything you type?

[End Boss]

Graphics don't make games fun. If anything all this keeping up with the jones' just diverts funding and development time away from the more important features you've all been craving. Should we really have to wait for photorealism to get this monkey off our backs.

The reason why the big publishers love the graphically snobbish consumer is that making excellent visuals a standard requirement increases the cost of entry for development. This means that the people with money to make high budget games (the publishers) dictate the terms of development, instead of it's creators (the developers).

[Devin112]

I'd rather have Live's superstar freestyle then 2k's graphics, but that might just be me.

[Andre]

Devin, i really didn't mean to offend you in any way with my other post, I should have phrased in another way.

What I am trying to say is that, in my opinion, LIVE's fans usually don't even give a serious chance to 2K. They may try it at the store or rent it for a week, and that's not even close to give it chance for me. When you play both games for a while, customize your sliders, and play hundreds of games...then you can really evaluate them.

Most 2k fans were once Live players. That's because in the past the only 5on5 Bball simulation was LIve. But when Live had some bad years like 2001, 2002 and 2003, some of us decided to look somewhere else. And we found the 2k series was better than espected. It had some bad years to, but for me, now is at least at Live's level if not better.

another thing: you guys are talking like 2k is all about graphic. IT'S NOT.
The gameplay is good as well and association mode had some very interesting features last year that Live has never had, like the mid level exception, the trade block, a better draft experience, just to name a few.

I am tired of Live fans trashing 2k without even knowing what they are talking about. Many forum members including some moderators play and like 2k. It's not a GAY game as some has just written. In fact, in my opinion the best basketaball simulation of all time it's not a Live game, but it's 2k1, on dreamcast. That game was amazing. It didn't have the association mode that both games have today, but for the rest it was amazing. You have to consider 2k series a valide alternative, or if you don't, you should have some valid reasons....not just loyalty to Live.

[nickia]

I think some people are so weird because they are so attached/loyal to a particular company/game. For instance there are ATI fans that would only use ATI cards, and nVIDIA fans that will only use nVIDIA cards, they would not give the other brand a chance eventhough it might be better.

Personally I'm not that type of person. Admitly I would look for the brand that I'm familiar, this case is NBA LIVE. Howeve rwhen I found out it is not good, I'm open to anything else that is better than it. I go with whoever is better not whoever is familiar.

I started off playing NBA Live 2003 in 2002 and got hold of 2k3 in this same year and discovered it was much better. The next year i got both 2k4 and 2004, both are equally good/bad. Then it came 2k5 and 2005, at this time live 2005 played better than 2k5 so I sticked with live 2005 for most of the time. However when both 06 and 2k6 previews and videos are released, I firmly believe that 2k6 is a better game than live 06.

I would not call myself a nba live "FAN" but preferbly nba live "gamer". I even made some cyberfaces for nba live 2004.

[madskillz]

Devin112 Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject:

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I'd rather have Live's superstar freestyle then 2k's graphics, but that might just be me.


End Boss Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:19 pm Post subject:

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Graphics don't make games fun. If anything all this keeping up with the jones' just diverts funding and development time away from the more important features you've all been craving. Should we really have to wait for photorealism to get this monkey off our backs.

The reason why the big publishers love the graphically snobbish consumer is that making excellent visuals a standard requirement increases the cost of entry for development. This means that the people with money to make high budget games (the publishers) dictate the terms of development, instead of it's creators (the developers).

I want you to READ the PreviousIGN review.

From IGN: Quote:
so while the Superstar moves add the realism of individuality to the court, don't expect to play any realistic type of basketball game here. Sure, you can call plays and players act more realistically than in the past, but this is far from a basketball simulation


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a videogame, it's extremely fun and addicting, especially playing two-players, but if you're looking for a true sim, you're looking in the wrong place. There are way too many blocks, way too many steals to mirror anything close to a real game.

Again I dont get any benefits from making you buy 2K6 nor i'm trying to sell you the game.

Here's another interesting FACT:

rating for NBA live 2005 and NBA Live 2006
NBA LIVE 2005 NBA LIVE 2006
8.5 Persentation 8.5 Persentation
8.0 Graphies 7.0 Graphies
8.0 Sound 7.0 Sound
9.0 Gameplay 9.0 Gameplay
9.5 Lasting Appeal 9.0 Lasting Appeal
Overall 8.9 Overall 9.0

There is no way Live 2006 could get a 9.0 when they got a better rating last year. tell me what you think. I think EA is paying of ign.com.

Like i said, I was only fan of LIVE serise because Live WAS better than 2k in the PAST. now the table has turned for me.

[Rip32]

Like i said, I was only fan of LIVE serise because Live WAS better than 2k in the PAST. now the table has turned for me.

Does that mean you still have to go around posting about ESPN in a NBA Live Forum?

[Jay-Peso]

In my point of view the 2k series has terrible gameplay and a game without good gameplay is a game I don't play. Tongue twister lol

[flipz]

Devin, i really didn't mean to offend you in any way with my other post, I should have phrased in another way.

What I am trying to say is that, in my opinion, LIVE's fans usually don't even give a serious chance to 2K. They may try it at the store or rent it for a week, and that's not even close to give it chance for me. When you play both games for a while, customize your sliders, and play hundreds of games...then you can really evaluate them.

Most 2k fans were once Live players. That's because in the past the only 5on5 Bball simulation was LIve. But when Live had some bad years like 2001, 2002 and 2003, some of us decided to look somewhere else. And we found the 2k series was better than espected. It had some bad years to, but for me, now is at least at Live's level if not better.

another thing: you guys are talking like 2k is all about graphic. IT'S NOT.
The gameplay is good as well and association mode had some very interesting features last year that Live has never had, like the mid level exception, the trade block, a better draft experience, just to name a few.

I am tired of Live fans trashing 2k without even knowing what they are talking about. Many forum members including some moderators play and like 2k. It's not a GAY game as some has just written. In fact, in my opinion the best basketaball simulation of all time it's not a Live game, but it's 2k1, on dreamcast. That game was amazing. It didn't have the association mode that both games have today, but for the rest it was amazing. You have to consider 2k series a valide alternative, or if you don't, you should have some valid reasons....not just loyalty to Live.

way to be a publicist for 2K, aye dude listen, i made the transition from 2K to Live and i found it-REALISTIC, yes u 2k fans act like ur game has some topnotch defence wen in reality i can just shit on any team i play on 2K5,just because 2K agames aint fun dont mean their realistic, would u rather play a VIDEOGAME dat brings u hype each game or just the same ole boring gameplay ,live got options and i determine if i wanna play run and gun or a halfcourt game

[Devin112]

Andre, it's cool man, you came back correct so u're cool in my book.

as for the 2k series, I actually own a few of them. On Dreamcast and PS2, I own 3 to be exact.

I don't know, I just don't like the feel of the game. How the creators invisioned the NBA experience. 2K and LIVE both try to recreate the experience for us, but they do it in different ways. 2K trys to remove the bling factor, LIVE gives us the chance to see the differences between average players and superstars.

To me, LIVE's approach is more tempting. I like the feel of the game. I think 2K do a better job with graphics and presentation, BUT you know one thing. I'd rather have the cyber faces from this forum then any found in 2K6. Patchers here make better faces and jerseys, shoes, etc....

so in a way, LIVE's graphics due to the patchers, aren't that far off from 2K in my mind.