Who's Better for 06???

[Mike Bradford]

oh, him lol, yeah.

[hipn]

Just cuz Joey cant dunk dont mean he isnt good, i mean dunkers are kinda overrated...Vince Carter might be good, but look what he did to the Raptors, he f*** up so many clutch shots that Jalen Rose would've made. I remember when Carter had around 7seconds, and he drove to the net and instead if doing a normal dunk (and he was wide open), but he decided to go for a revese layup...how f***ing dum is that? Could have been the hero of the game and given the Raptors a win, plus look what he did by leaving the team and refusing to give it his all on the court....carter...what a stupid mother f***er.

Joey Graham has a 36 inch verticle...... He's an athletic beast, otherwise he would not have been drafted as the 16th pick. And Toronto fans who blindly hate Vince Carter for such stupid reasons like you stated are downright ignorant.

Hey, if ur from cleveland and lebron wasnt giving a sh** about the cavs and didnt try at all wouldnt u be fu**ing furious?

[Bada Bling]

Who would you rather build your team around??
Joey Graham, or Gerald Green

Neither. I'd just create a player, give him my name, and watch him develop into an unstoppable NBA force that I could only dream about.

[Its_asdf]

Hey, if ur from cleveland and lebron wasnt giving a sh** about the cavs and didnt try at all wouldnt u be fu**ing furious?

No, mainly because I wouldn't let something like that upset me to a point where I'd be yelling fuck and shit in every sentence. Well, it did in the beginning, but I've gotten over it. I am very disappointed though. THe things that Vince did to the Raptors and openly admitting that he purposely sucked ass also didn't really come off as a positive thing.

Unintelligent Toronto fans who blindlessly hate Carter and constantly bash him are just as bad as Vince is. No, actually, they're worse then he is.

Edit: I'm from Toronto, so I know how it feels.

[The Hitman]

hipn WROTE:
Hey, if ur from cleveland and lebron wasnt giving a sh** about the cavs and didnt try at all wouldnt u be fu**ing furious?

Hey, from one Toronto native to another, you're right about him not caring and that was wrong of him. But I don't blame him for wanting out of Toronto because he was sick of rebuilding. Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment wanted to get by with only one superstar on the team because he would bring asses in the seats. They should have hired Dr. J as their GM because he really wanted the job and there's a lot of players that would have came to Toronto to play for Dr. J. This team has been rebuilding for 11 years now!!! How much longer do we have to wait before we have a team that can contend like the days with Davis, Oak, T-Mac and Vince. Now that was a good team!!! Although at that time they were unexpierenced and young. If that team stayed togther, it would have been the Lakers vs. the Raptors in the NBA Finals for two, three years striaght when the Lakers three-peated.

[Its_asdf]

They should have hired Dr. J as their GM

Honestly, how proven was Dr. J? How much credibility did he have? Great players don't make great GM's, and Elgin Baylor is a perfect example of that, (well at least he's making a few right moves now for the Clippers).

This team has been rebuilding for 11 years now!!!

Nope. After our 2000/2001 playoff push, we re-signed Vince and the supporting cast to loads of cash in order to solidfy ourselves as a playoff team. So much for that.

[Malfa]

Shouldn't it be Gerald Green or Martell Webster??

[Mike Bradford]

Thats a better comparison. Thats tough, i think they will both be tremendous players, but im gonna go with Martell.

[Malfa]

Yep, Martell is my pick too.

[The Hitman]

Its_asdf WROTE:
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They should have hired Dr. J as their GM



Honestly, how proven was Dr. J? How much credibility did he have? Great players don't make great GM's, and Elgin Baylor is a perfect example of that, (well at least he's making a few right moves now for the Clippers).

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This team has been rebuilding for 11 years now!!!



Nope. After our 2000/2001 playoff push, we re-signed Vince and the supporting cast to loads of cash in order to solidfy ourselves as a playoff team. So much for that.

I never said he would be a awsome GM, I just said that he would attract players to come play for Toronto. How can you know who will be a good GM. Nobody knew how good Babcock would be. And as for rebuilding, yes, they had one good year. One year is nothing if you don't build apon that year. After that year they released or traded most of the guys on that team (eg. Oakley, Curry, Clark) and we've never been the same since. Its like their minds are always on "rebuilding". And it looks to me like you think the Raptors are on the right track. But some people can see more than others I guess. SO MUCH FOR THAT!!

[Its_asdf]

How can you know who will be a good GM.

Exactly my point. Someone like Dr. J has no front office experience. Even if he attracts players to the team, he probably won't even have the experience to make a good move.

One year is nothing if you don't build apon that year. After that year they released or traded most of the guys on that team (eg. Oakley, Curry, Clark) and we've never been the same since.

We had three years in the playoffs, the first year was in 2000 when we played New York and lost. After that, we were considered a playoff team. After 2001 people we're betting that we had the chance to make it to the conference finals. 2002 obviously had a lot of setbacks, especially with injuries and we managed to make a large exciting run in the end of the season. Unfortunately we got the first round boot anyway thanks to injuries to players and whatnot, but the expectations were still somewhat there.

Curry retired and Keon Clark was a lazy ass player with absolutely no work ethic and almost had no desire to be here after he got some recognition from other teams as a free agent.

I'd also like to point out that the trade where we traded Davis and Williams for Rose and Marshall wasn't a rebuilding move, it was a move to try and take us a step into the playoffs and many people thought that was what we needed. Again, injuries killed us and Bosh got whalloped at center, so our season was again cut short.


So I think most of the time I think it's the opposite. We were too busy trying to live up to the 2001 season and thankfully we're finally understanding that we need to rebuild.

[jonnyboy261]

u shouldnt be talking about the raptors problems in a thread about gerald green and graham
stick to the point or creat ur own thread!

[The Hitman]

Its_asdf: Ok, I see your point, but at the same time, when you hear "Drafted at eight overall.... Rafeal Araujo". and your an all-star player like VC, what are you going to think??? Remember, the Williams, Davis for Rose, Marshall trade was Grundwald, and thats why Vince had no problem with the Raps when Grundwald was in power, because he knew Grunwald tried to build the team for playoff contention. Once Babcock came in and said that he was going to rebuild, Vince wanted out. Now this isn't Babcocks fault as he said what he was going to do from before he was hired. The ass in all this is Peddie. He told Vince before and after Grundwald was fired, that they were going to go after all-star players, and as you can see, we don't have any, except for Bosh who's coming around. When management/ownership lies to you to make you happy and then you find out, wouldn't you be pissed??? You don't tell your all-star player that your're going to do something, and then you don't do it. If my boss is an ass and he did something to piss me off, I would quit. Vince couldn't quit!! He had to ask to be moved. In case you didn't know, Peddie also told JYD that they would try to bring him back to T.O. as soon as possible because they really didn't want to trade him. He was released by the Knicks a few weeks back and I still don't see JYD in a Raps jersey. I don't blame Vince for wanting out. Its that simple because anybody in his position, would get pissed. This is a job, it is not his responsibility to stay a Raptor, if the BIG BOSSES upstairs are assholes and you don't want to work for them anymore.

[air_edwards23]

Who would you rather build your team around??
Joey Graham, or Gerald Green

Even thought Joey Graham is on toronto i'll have to go with gerald green cuz hes a rookie outa high school like lebron was and to me i feel hes gunna be like the next Tmac who which i from high school and wasnt as good as he is now his first few years and i feel gerald is gunna kinda be like that ..a "superstar"