babies - don´t cry.....just learn to play

[slim-germany]

hi,
I read a lot of postings here. what is it all about?

a lot of guys are crying about the game. complaints about the intro, about the creating player issue, about the not included 3-point contest, about the gamespeed, about the fastbreaks, about the blocks, about the defense a.s.o.

BULLSHIT!!!

it seems most of you little babies don´t know much about basketball. i used to play nba live 2001 a 10000000 times and i think i understand the game. so i hoped the 2003 issue would bring a lot of new stuff to the game. and there is a lot of new stuff. i don´t need a 2001-clone where i am able to beat the cpu again with 40+ in my first game in 2003.

i used to play on superstar-level and had definitely no probs to beat the cpu´s ass in the 2001 series in the end. always beat the cpu by 30-40+. it was boring.
but now there is a new challenge. learn to play zone defense. create good shots. PLAY!!!!!
YEAH that´s what I like. my first two games vs. the CPU on all-star-level with 9 minute quarters was a bust. he kicked my ass out of the arena.......then i printed the game stats and made a little analysis about it. no matter what......i had to lose this games. 34 turnovers, 32% FG, 12 Turnover-deficit. so c´mon...i couldn´t win that game.

then i took attention on my defense. i played zone......and it got better.......the CPU-FG% decreased, my turnovers decreased by creating better offense. fastbreaks by CPU was no factor......after that i checked the stats again by printing and ...........YEAH!!! absolute realistic stats....
i hold the CPU to 40.5%FG and scored 59.7% by myself.......it outrebounded the CPU by 39:25 and had a assist/turnover ratio of +7 (32:25) and forced the CPU to 33 turnovers and won the game by 101:84
compare these stats to a ESPN-Boxscore of a NBA-game and you´ll see......it´s realistic stats.

so what the hell are you guys complaining about? what do i care about the crappy 3-point contest. I played 5 times at all. and trading a draftpick might be a nice add but really said.....i don´t care about that shit.

you cannot play defense? fine then you have to loose the game. that´s fine. cannot create offense? just slammin´? loose the game. that´s fine.
never heard about eduardo najera who cannot score? you cannot score with him? that´s fine.
it seems like a lot of guys just want to slam it. not playing just slamming. better try the training mode and slam, slam, slam, slam..........
try to watch a nba-game on tv......look what they do. look how they move....ever heard of transition? ever heard of trap defense?
basketball ain´t a slam contest.
SO STOP COMPLAINING!!!!!!

and i am glad that the times of playing online against a complete crappy playing schoolkid who only plays basketball like he does at highschool warmup like "runnning, slamming, stealing, running, slamming, stealing" which bored me after 2 minutes of playing..........are over. THANKS!!

play real basketball and NBA LIVE 2003 is a knockout-game. you want action bball? try another ballgame.
try to play NBA LIVE 2003 with your keyboard? LOL I can´t believe it.
always play like a 9 year old boy? thanks, that you get your ass kicked in that game.

all in all this is the best NBA-game there ever was. no doubt. just learn to play basketball.

any comments?
Where are the guys playing real basketball with NBA LIVE 2003? are you also complaining?

[macbit]

Hey,

do you play the original roster ?

ok than have viewed that Shaq is running like 100 meter sprint star and Iversion is
a man with lightspeed. Also all guys from the computer ai have magnatic hands, for stealing the ball . They have eyes at their butt, because they can see pass behind their back.
Most of all are 3 pt shooters like sharpshooters, also if a players has a hand in their face. There are crap players with superstars ratings . There are almost no off. rebounds.

You are happy with the game . Thats good for you. You want play this game ok no prob.

But we have a other opinion like you and we thing the most of us, that the game isn´t the game that we want.. And we talk about the pc version, not console.

And i believe you don´t read accurately the messages at the board. Nobody wants a "Slamming game"etc we want realistiic gameplay and this is impossible with the orignal roster.

Thats fact.

Marc

[greenmig]

ok...mu man slim-germany...that is some funny shit....i like yer sledges on the slammin slammin slammin etc etc....also the 9yr old kid thing.

now, down to it - i AGREE with alot of what you say. play ball...thats it..set up yer offense, look for mismatches, double team awesome one on one players etc....however, i do NOT agree with the fact that this can be achieved with the original rosters. i think most of the guys here are spending hours on end looking for decent roster to improve gameplay..ie: to prevent ridiculous things like 90% fgs by the cpu etc.

i actually think this was not a mistake by EA either....by creating a superfast default game etc...this gives guys room to make adjustments...i mean if default was kinda slow with the same ratinmgs & you try to increase ratings...it wouldn't work...we are getting close to a decent patch to enjopy solid bball gameplay....

[wlashack]

agree with macbit.

[wlashack]

what I think about NBA gameplay is that in this game you have a very slight influence on the opponents shots. players shoot like there is no one around them. and it is all about arcade slamming, jamming, finger rolls, dunks etc. which one is not able to defend.

[slim-germany]

[quote="macbit"]Hey,

do you play the original roster ?

ok than have viewed that Shaq is running like 100 meter sprint star and Iversion is
a man with lightspeed.
Marc[/quote]



LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!! that´s what I mean.

is there any faster player in the NBA than Allen Iverson? Is there any more dominant Center in the NBA?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if Iverson breaks your ankle in an isolation offense strategy because you couldn´t follow his move defensively........why shouldn´t he score?

how many players in the NBA can defend Iverson in a one-on-one situation? maybe three......

how many players in NBA can stop Shaq if he receives the ball at the zone???? how many??? ha????
NONE!!!!! not one player can handle this bis fella. nobody blocks him, nobody could stop if he tries to post up.......NO ONE!!!!!!!!

so I was glad (and also proud LOL) that I got 5 blocks with mutombo against shaq.....and had 13 rebounds with Dikembe versus 15 by shaq......i concentrated my defense on kobe (who might also be unstoppable in a one-on-one situation) and of course shaq......but hey.....this is the three-time champion......one of the best teams in NBA history ever..........and you want to come along....playing a little baby-ball and beat them up with 30+ points just because you played the NBA LIVE 2001 so often.....C´MON that´s bullshit!!!


So if you are so wise, to know how to stop even iverson or shaq.....just become a NBA-coach and earn millions..........

the CPU controlled players don´t have magnetic hands when stealing your ball. the problem is (and that is a fact i really enjoy) that i.e. mutombo passes like my 90year old grandma......he got no hands to pass a ball over more than a half meter......if you try to pass with him out of a turnaround dribble in the zone.......it´s a steal....thanks that it is like that.......because mutombo is a crap at passing.......point guards are passing.....centers are passing out of a double team usually....otherwise keeping the ball out of their hands..........that´s what i do....keeping the ball out the hands of the big guys.....that´s what a NBA team does........
otherwise you could play 15 assists with a center of power forward.......and that would be bullshit.


the wlashack wrote " players shoot like there is no one around them."

ok: ever seen a NBA game in an arena? when the guys shoot around and warming up? I saw antoine Walker doing that.......he took about 15 shots at warm up....no opponent, no one around him.....how many shots he made? what do you think? from close before the 3point line???? how many ha?
i tell you: he made all 15.....believe it or not........swish, swish, swish

that´s why these guys earn millions and playing in the NBA and not in the CBA: if they are open.........they made it........even from 3point range......

in our sweet little game here i swear........the CPU wouldn´t make an open 3pointer with shawn bradley.....he wouldn´t make it.....also he wouldn´t try it...........but he made it with brent barry.....he´s a shooting guard with the best 3point accuracy in the NBA..........he got the perfect shot..........from downtown........you leave him open??? then you´re in trouble man.....he put up 40 points against you....no problem.....

as i said before i played fine transition defense....no cpu fastbreaks that much....only at turnovers........and i still work to prevent turnovers....and it works fine...........so far

also i don´t think the gamespeed is too high. in reality you don´t have 5 seconds to think about which defense set might help against a posting-up shaq......if a small forward is standing there trying to defend him then........SWISH....two for the lakers.......always.......

and YES i am talking about the original roster in the PC-VERSION!!!!

and macbit: believe me i read the messages very carefully.....that´s why i am posting the way i do

macbit said: "we want realistiic gameplay and this is impossible with the orignal roster. Thats fact. "

MACBIT.......that´s no fact.....I told you my stats and they are absolutely realistic.........

girls? what kind of game do you want?
a game where you win by 30+ in your first game? where you don´t have to work on defense to prevent points? where you don´t have to create your offense? where every player got the same skills?

remember iverson in the 2001 series? if you played against him he was a non-factor.......scoring 10 points.......
remember jason terry in the 2001 series? a joke........simulated 8 points....in game a non-factor because he got a problem with his offense adjustment in the game..........guys scoring 20+ points a night in the NBA should also do it against you........and you don´t play a tough organized defense they should score 40+ then........ever tried ben wallace in the 2003 series? NO? go ahead with that.........there you got your inside presence.....preventing opponents points........I love having him on my roster........in franchise mode with a draft I draft for 2 offensive players for the starting5 and add 3 defensive minded players.........i bet nearly none of you guys do that..........you pick garnett, kobe, duncan, iverson and score score score

and i also bet that you are crying also about the difficulties to score with you backups? right? right.
ahh, ohhh, hmmm hoooo....damn i cannot slam like hell with popeye jones and tyrone hill.......this game must be shit then..........

forget it!

[macbit]

Hey,

i know what i write. I know also the stats if the computer play against himself
FG round about 60 " 3 pt 65 % ( 12 min)
120 to 135 is the normal i have also see 140- 158 It is a very funny thing, ito look all the steals that the computer ai make himself....

I play nba live since "NBA 95" an the bottom line is very simple:

Until NBA Live 2000 there was alwas a development in the game. There was some similar bugs at the gameplay but the most of all we can fix it with patches.

Since NBA Live 2001 the games goes down. Ok better grafics but the rest.....
There was no NBA live 2002 so we all are waiting for the present version and we have much hope because ea had 1year more for the game.

But what happend: Gameplay like arcade dish, play the game at a playstation and at a pc
No big difference. Only minor changes ( grafics )

Marc

[slim-germany]

man spricht deutsch......

ach komm, wieso wird das game so schlecht gemacht?

wenn du seit 95 nba live spielst, ist es natürlich ein großer unterschied jetzt. ea hat wirklich großen wert auf die defense gelegt. und das ist doch gut so.
einziges manko sind die 12 minuten viertel ....da gebe ich dir recht.....aber wie gesagt ich spiele 9 minuten......und habe keine probleme.......

ein spiel auf 2003 ist sogar anstrengend......andauernd die defense zu spielen geht in die finger.....aber komm......einige wundern sich hier, dass sie mit der keyboardsteuerung nicht in der lage sind die für einen controller mit 2 analogsticks alle funktionen zu beherrschen....typischer ami dummschiss......so einmist fällt nur einem ami ein sich über sowass zu beschweren......

außerdem cpu vs cpu...ist halt ein computer.....der nutzt alles optimal aus.........mensch-mensch dürften diese probs nicht existieren.
aber ist schon komisch dass kaum einer sinnvolle stats hat mit dem original roster.......ich habe sie..........ka wieso........nur man muss wirklich erst lernen vernünftig zu spielen mit dem neuen spiel.........

ich habe ja nur so aggressiv geposted, weil ich es leid bin, dass alle kleinen kinder anfangen zu meckern ohne jeden plan von dem spiel......ich habe online gegen freaks gespielt...nur rennen wie irre und slammen........das ist ja kein basketball........

darum finde ich das neue spiel ziemlich gut.........für jeden fehler den man macht kassiert man gleich die strafe.......

[replicant]

yo,
this is my first post here and i decided to keep the english language (i´m from ger),
why should not share exp?

so, all you´re sayin should be right.
i´ve been in the series since 96, which was havin (imho) the peak in ´01, unfortunately i have to wait till tomorrow to get my ´03 copy
but lookin forward to it. i´ve just played the demo.
let me give my opinion.
this (most definetely) maybe is a conversion from consoles to pc, this is a reason for one thing: ..arcade style..
who´s the typical customer of a ps2? a simfreak with ambition to be ultrarealistic? no.
ok so this game has an arcade topic.
so what? we should be glad to have influence, like rosters, facepatches, etc.
that means, everyone is able to create his own style of playin through that.
the 2nd influence is the way you play. that means, play starter mode and you get the arcade. play superstarmode and you´re like beaten the hell out of the gym if not playin wisely and realistic, like others say.
thats want i want. thats what the creators wanted.
to shape the game to your needs.

and the cpu:cpu thing is not important: number at least one game where that topic is 1. worth to look at ,2. worth to compare to reality.
who gives a shit? just try to win! which game´s perfect anyway?
grab your pad and let your fingers bleed!

i agree with the guys who hate the fastbreak-slammers, like @LAN, but they play arcade and not sim. let them have fun and goodbye.

we had rosterpatches before and we will have them for ´03.
so everybody cool down.

this game aint perfect, but who expected? just play or not, and hope for better times

[babyicetee]

i totally agree with slim germany!!! yo man... YOU ROCK!!! winning a game here depends on your defense... stop complaining and lets just enjoy the game ayt?

[Santiago Roza (Kq)]

I'm sick and tired of seeing newbies posting wise statements like "ain't nuttin' wrong with da game, man, problem is that u suck and u need 2 play some motherfuckin' D"

Let's just ignore the stupid way to express their opinions these guys have, and focus on what they say.

No matter how much "d" you play and how good you are at playing the game, the FACT is that the shooting percentage in this game is too high (even in CPU vs CPU games - who "sux" there?), the scoring is too high, and there are too many blocks and steals.

Anyone with a brain will understand that CPU vs CPU games don't have anything to do with individual playing styles, or individual skill. So no matter if I "suck" or not, the results will be the same (since I'm not controlling any of the teams... is that so hard to understand?).

So if you guys are saying the problem with the unrealistic numbers is the low skill of the "babies" who complain about that, a CPU vs CPU game should give us realistic numbers, right?

Well, as macbit said, CPU games give more or less the same results that people is complaining about (high scoring, high fg%, tons of blocks, etc.). So that proves that the main problem is the game, not the player. I guess even these idiots can understand a simple point like this one, but you never know.

And don't get me started on the speed: A player that moves too fast is unrealistic, no matter how good I am at guarding him, no matter if that makes the game harder or easier. "Realism" doesn't mean "you can beat the CPU in Superstar"; it means "the gameplay looks pretty much like a game on TV".

If you can't understand this, maybe you shouldn't even be visiting boards like this one (with text, words and that difficult stuff).

[ningtong88]

Did EA hire you, there are many bugs, we know we have to learn how to get used to the game, since it is already OUT, we want EA to make a more joyable game, if EA doesn't take any blame about the game, then there won't be a Live 2004. What you said is like you want to play this game forever, since it is perfect for you.

By the way, you are so mean, looks like you wanna be a big daddy or something

[slim-germany]

as far as I see........most people have probs with the game.

also I agree on the unrealistic style of cpu-game.
by the way I couldn´t play the cpu....because I hate it....I use to play against a human opponent......and there I must say the game is superb.

but you can play the cpu a more or less realistic game on all-star level with 8 minute quarters. no prob......for newbies or non-experienced players this game is unplayable...nearly......

but fact is.......like it is with FIFA 2003 from EASPORTS....nearly no one likes to learn a game.

by the way I tried the tweaked roster and I must say.......a joke........the FG ratings are so low....the players won´t hit the basket even if it´s doubled size.......stupid

but why could I win versus the CPU by 10 on allstar level? with the regular roster? and on the stats board it shows realistic numbers? about 48% for the cpu.......i outrebound the CPU and have more blocks than he has........he only shot 3 more treys than me.......

i change to arcade and turned on all the settings there......and it´s another game.......seems to be an error ARCADE/SIMULATION also I NEVER and again NEVER use the Zone Defense anymore.......it doesn´t work.........trap or man to man is the only defense working against the cpu........

however.......PLAY ON!!!!

[wangster]

Most of us here do not have a problem with the difficulty of the game. Personally, I thought the original roster was way too easy (after you get the rebound, you just throw the ball to one of the guys running the break and you get a dunk). The problem with this game (at least for me) is not its difficulty but its annoyingly unrealistic stats. Granted, some real NBA games historically have been known to feature 150 points (186-184 with Denver and Detroit triple OT) or 20 blocks on each team. But these cases are rare... really rare. With the original roster, live 2003 features those kind of games every time if you play to the best of your abilities with 12 min. quarters. But, I think most of would agree, we don't want that. We want games as closely simulating the real NBA as possible. That's what we waited 2 years for. And if such methods as tweaking is available for us to try and achieve our kind of game, I don't think there's any reason for us not to use it. I'm not dissing slim-germany or anything. I'm just making my point on why I want to use tweaked rosters.

[joemimic]

I agree, original rosters aren't NBA realistic no matter what german boy is tryin to say. Slim i hear you talkin but wheres the proof of your realistic stats with original untweaked rosters? Lets see some team stats.

[Glyyde]

original roster is not realistic....if u play a 12min quarter....even a 10min quarter wun be realistic.

I play in superstar mode ona 10min quarter. my stats? I have been averaging 160pts to my opponents 130pts. I am able to hold my opponents FG down to less than 50%. I agree there's lots of blocks...from me...not the computer. Its all about timing and such. if u can time a block properly, then for sure u will get lots of blocks. But remember, the same thing goes for the computer, u have to time ur shot properly to avoid getting blocked..... PRACTICE!!!

for steals, learn to pass the ball properly..... u can't do a crosscourt pass in any basketball game (not to mention NBA) . yeah, the player is having an eye on the butt, but that is not the main point.... the main thing is that u pass INTO him..... u must have a clear path to pass ball....that's for sure..... in a game where I take care of my passes, the CPU can only manage like 10 steals (10min quarter)...... see what playing proper passing game brings u? a realistic number with the ORIGINAL roster.

I am winning like an average 20-30pts in original roster, I tried one of the tweaked roster and I am winning like 40-50pts..... it seems to make the whole game a lot easier if u use the tweaked roster....... although I think there's lots of ppl here love the tweaked roster......

[ilya]

you're saying yoru assists to TO ratioo was +7 (35-28 or something?)
that's HORRIBLE!!!
28 TOs ni a game?? it should be more like 14 maybe..

a good assists/to ratio is like 3:1, not +7. if it was, say, 30 assists, 15 TOs even that would be OK.. but 35:28? HORRIBLE


after i got a tweaked roster, and started making better passes, that's about waht i get.. 30 assists, 13 TOs

[macbit]

Hey,

after testing both roster original an tweaked about a long week ( totally 40 games) i get everytimes realistic stats with tweaked roster

I get a avg by fieldgoals from 41 until 51 %
I get a avg by 3 pt 28 until 41 %

Thats realistic. I have little problems with blocks and steals ( to much)
It is possible to block Shaq with every player with a max size of 6 foot.......

We have the opposite efect of off .rebounds. Very funny thing . At nba 2001 the ball goues everytime to the off player and now the ball goes always to the def player...
blocks steals are the big probs of the game.engine less off rebound

By playing the orignal roster the gameplay is like ice-hockey. Blocks, blocks, steals steals basket slaming. You need reaction like a eco shooter
Hitting the three i s so simple. I take two test. I go in the practice mode choise A J Guyton from the lakers and i try to hit the basket from the 3 pt line:

The result: 19 from 20
The next test. Playing in a game. Everytime in a 10 min quarter a ran with guyton to the 3 pt line fake and shoot. After 10 min a have 34 points
So i try this the hole game and he made a new nba record. 91 points !!!
This for eternity

A. J. Guyton for MVP !!!!!

He nba live board rookies. This stats with avg from 60 until 70 % shooting is really a joke. This is pure arcade dish .
And the best joke for ever is that if you play arcade the stats are better than sim.

I believe the reason why the gameplay is so fast. The game-engine is created primary for the consoles ( PS 2 , x.box) The power of modern pc are formidalbe higher than a console. So the result is we have a lightspped game.
OHHHHH Ea what have you do ???????? Sleeping in you pillow ???


Marc

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