.:My Tweaked Roster Patch - BY DK 1/24/03 UPDATE OUT:.

sssummer
The .90 is added to .72 so it is actually slightly lower than .72

Malignant
I don't know about other modes but on allstar I see only a couple layup misses and those are usually in heavy traffic.

Mark
Yes to all

Cle_Cav
I already stated the layup thing, and thanks for the offer but I'm on AOL and the day the site goes down is the day the AOL company goes down, the site is working fine now. I really don't know about either mode but I do know that the rookes will not match up to the current starters when you play franchise and get a draft.

any chance you can release a set without the updated injuries? i'm itching to start my franchise, but i wanna do it fresh, no injuries.

pork
I'm pretty sure the CPU will just reorder the rosters once you start a franchise

Hey,

now i played 5 games with your roster at arcade but 9 min.

The look and feel is good. Some players are a little bit to fast round about
max 5% not much only a little.

Shooting is strange. Shaq are double or tribbled and if took the outside pass
to a my free man:

-The opponent player runs so fast he is always in def position
-My player (Murray) have luck and he Has realtime 1,8 sek time for shooting the 3

Result by murray: 3-10 bad result. Some one with allan 4- 10

I go def and double Duncan Most he post up rare he pass out to smith and Smith hits every time.....4-4

I thing here we are have a bug or the computer is cheating. I have a bad feeling in this case

Marc

PS: But DK at all great work !

i have one thing.. i think some of the player's dribble ratings are way too low. i.e. aaron mckie loses the ball almost every time he tries to do a crossover, but in real life hes very capable of ballhandling. u might wanna update this a lil.. they're not that bad at dribbling...

The thing is I never touched the dribble ratings so something else is making him lose the ball.

A new update will be out today
Upated rosters as of 1/12/02 featuring correct IR standings
Signings
Harrington for DAL
Jackson for SAC

NEW TWEAKS
Dribble * 1.05 to help players with lower dribble ratings keep the ball
Top 10 guys with most 3pt fieldgoals made this season in the NBA get a 3pt icon, and the top 20 guys in 3pt% with at least 30 attempts get the 3pt icon.

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thanks dk!!!!!!!!
hope you keep the spirit in ya all season!

hey dk.....maybe for the next update you can boost injury chances if theres a way...so its more realistic instead of the players being made out of steel...also a personal thanks for putting my cousin mike redd on the bucks roster...i have no idea why he wasnt on there in the first place when he's the bucks 6th man......peace.

First of all i must say that i use DK's roster version with a little bit of Felipe's stats roster. (Only the changes he had done with the speed and quickness ratings basically)
They are the best out there with no doubt.But if you will play a franchise and simulate the games u will see that teams like denver and golden state warriors make it to the playoffs and powerhouses like the Dallas. LA or even Sacramento dont.I think its the only gripe i have from this roster.Is there anything we can do about this prob?

well i dont think he designed this patch for franchise.. only for exhibitz i think

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Entire Game         Cleveland        Indiana         

Points              103              99               
Bench Scoring       20               27               
Field Goals         41/78            38/84           
Field Goal %        .526             .452             
3 Point FG          3/9              6/25             
3 Point %           .333             .240             
Free Throws         18/28            17/26           
Free Throw %        .643             .654             
Rebounds            41               38               
Off. Rebounds       6                6               
Def. Rebounds       35               32               
Blocks              7                3               
Steals              5                4               
Assists             31               21               
Turnovers           12               6               
Fouls               19               18               

here goes my last game....i won barely....and as you can see i had to hit half my shots cuz they were going crazy...also i need to get better at the free throws,other than that i know your already working on it but yea the easy layup misses are ridiculous and frustrating because it happens to much also every now and then a missed dunk...but i know that happens so keep up the good work...oh yea i can tell you turned the dribbling up...i had "corny"al harrington doing crazy unbelievable dribbling moves all the way to the hole on several occasions.

Very good work DK, among the best yet along with Felipe. 3 point shooting seems to be attrocious across the board though. It's near impossible to make one if an opponent is anywhere even remotely close to you.

can this roster be used for the franchise mode?

Hi guys,

Honestly, I have to say DK's tweaked rosters are the BEST made so far and thanks to it I've discovered the real game. I can't challenge DK on tweaking. Thanks, man!

Hey

first i have a good feeling for the roster patches, more and more
folks here makes rosterpachtes and there are some goodd effects of teamwork
between the roster-patchers.

Now we are waitung for Andrews patch and we will see whats going on.


Now DK for you last patch. I don´t if you can fix this probs, because it is
possible that the game.engine have a bug in the following things:

- blocks:
to much blocks. Lower the block to min.

- steals: humm ok

- Off rebound: Increase big , because in 36 min only 9 off rb of both teams !!

- inside score: very strange. Shaq have prob near the baskets but Duncan not,
lay ups often fail by most of the players, also the computer

- speed: overall ok , some players are to fast The best speed will be between
the roster of Felipe and your roster


Marc

Entire Game Chicago Orlando

Points 79 82
Bench Scoring 24 5
Field Goals 32/70 38/80
Field Goal % .457 .475
3 Point FG 4/16 2/19
3 Point % .250 .105
Free Throws 11/15 4/8
Free Throw % .733 .500
Rebounds 33 42
Off. Rebounds 1 5
Def. Rebounds 32 37
Blocks 4 3
Steals 14 18
Assists 20 22
Turnovers 25 24
Fouls 15 15

All Star, 8 Min, Fouls Maxed

Less steals, cpu needs to make less fts

but the thing is in Simulation mode you'll make more 3's and the cpu will miss more fts but they'll run faster and have more freestyle on you

DK- Your tweak is by far the best and I have played them all. And it is the best because it makes the best effort to removes the computers ability to "CHEESE" the game and takes away the predictability and "staged" momentum. Granted the AI still has the uncanny ability to shoot horribly all game and then shoot flawless in the fourth quarter if it is behind. And sometimes the AI decides you are going to turn the ball over no matter what you do(ex: dribbling turnover, stolen 1 vs 1, blatant uncalled foul punch leading to steal, triple team pass steal, your player throwing a bad pass to an open man, missing an open lay up/dunk on the break with no one around for miles.) But I have got to say, your roster patch DEFINATELY calms a lot of this down. YOU prevented me from returning this game as I bought it to play basketball, not NBA jams.

The shooting percentages are great, the rebounding and playability is overall right on.

Now for my input on a few things:

1.) Dribbling - It is still a hair to low for a lot of players. Eric Williams loses his dribble with no one on him if you just try to crossover with freestyle. That is silly and not unique to just Eric Williams. Not a knock to you, just an observation if we are trying to create the ultimate "sim."

2.) In game player ratings- Is there a reason they all seem so screwed up in the re-order roster screen vs. actual edit player ratings screen?

3.) I would speed up the game one notch. And I mean, just a hair of a notch. 1%, uno, very little, just a scratch. Did I say just a little itty bit?

Other than that, it is great so far. Thanks for saving this game for me and allowing me to play some actual basketball.

Alright

1. If you wnat offensive boards you have to jump yourself

2. I have no clue why you guys miss so many layups, but I miss about 2 a game and this is with MANY bodies in the lane which is realistic.

3.I'll look into tweaking the dribble more

4. The reason the overall ratings are messed up is because I haven't touched them so wen you edit it recalculates for that player and it drops a lot.

how are the overall ratings for teams calculated? i noticed that once i load your rosters, they get all out of whack. NJ is like 26th overall or something, while memphis is 12th. any way to change that?

Pork, the answer to your question is above.

doesn't make any sense though. he is globally changing player statistics, so it shouldn't affect the overall team rating because every player is changed by the same %. so the teams should stay at the same rank as they originally were.

in browsing through the teams.dbf file, it has the overall ratings for teams. what would happen if i used the original teams.dbf file with your rosters? that way the team ratings would be the same as EA's original rosters.

couple other comments. your rosters do make the game a hell of a lot better, but there a couple things i have noticed. i think your last update where you tweaked the dribbling worked in reverse of how it should've. i just played one quarter, and the cpu had 9 steals on me, most of them happened losing the ball while dribbling. 6 of these steals were off steve francis and cuttino mobley, who aren't slouches when it comes to ballhandling. i didn't notice this problem with the previous version. also, there is definitely a problem with missed layups and dunks. in the one quarter that i played, i had 4 missed dunks/layups, one on a fast break with noone under the basket. other than that though, everything else seems to be right on.

dk its still great bro it seems your starting to stress out......im about to play my first game on all-star...im posting the results tonight.

well i must confess, i did play one more game in starter mode but next game i will switch to allstar....i think i need to cuz i tore the clippers a part.

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Entire Game         Cleveland        LA Clippers     

Points              109              71               
Bench Scoring       48               15               
Field Goals         47/76            23/73           
Field Goal %        .618             .315             
3 Point FG          2/7              5/20             
3 Point %           .286             .250             
Free Throws         13/14            20/23           
Free Throw %        .929             .870             
Rebounds            45               22               
Off. Rebounds       4                0               
Def. Rebounds       41               22               
Blocks              10               2               
Steals              9                4               
Assists             34               14               
Turnovers           19               13               
Fouls               17               13