New Dimension 2003 Gary Payton v.1 by Travis Lee

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Golly! a tit-full of patchers have made the tradee players!

I'm not going to say much except for: Oh my god, Big_stud is sooooo Travis Lee... ..i shall call you... 'Travis_Stud12585'

Anyway, back to the main topic...
Travis...i like this patch...better than Tony's imo...

i am "sooooo Travis Lee"...if u look at the time i posted that last message and this one..it is alittle over 4 AM in the morning there were he is in cali..u think he would be up at this time?? get ur facts straight Nick..

[Nick]

Get my facts straight?! Look Lee, Maybe when somebody tells you how to fix a patch you shouldn't take it offensively...hmm? I don't give a shit what time of the night it is over there...it doesn't mean a thing..
Why do you take up so much time sticking up for Travis, complimenting Travis, worrying what people say to Travis and trying to convince everybody that you're not Travis? Seems a bit sus to me...

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Get my facts straight?! Look Lee, Maybe when somebody tells you how to fix a patch you shouldn't take it offensively...hmm? I don't give a shit what time of the night it is over there...it doesn't mean a thing..
Why do you take up so much time sticking up for Travis, complimenting Travis, worrying what people say to Travis and trying to convince everybody that you're not Travis? Seems a bit sus to me...

look Nick, maybe u should address this to him not me! u dont give a *bleep* what time it is here doesnt mean a thing u say? obviously u dont have a brain..why do i take up so much time sticking up for him? if u dont knw that by now..guess ur as stupid as u look..give u a hint..read above moronic idiot.. "complimenting" him u say? i compliment everyone else too but u knw what? i DIDNT compliment his patches because people keep accusing me of being him..so i tend not to say a word because i knw its going to cause trouble like right now..so i'm trying to "convince" people that i'm not Travis? well maybe u should look at 9mm (Tony), and uk (Alex) and tell me otherwise..

[Wall St. Peon]

well i dont think u could blame him for not posting..he is right when he says people criticize him for everything..just look at this thread and the old announcemnts..

It's not like anything was said about him...someone said they liked another patch better, big deal. That's no cause for what's transpired...

yes that is constructive criticism..

Which is good...

i remember back when Tony said sumthing about his site "sucked" and everything..i dont think tht was "constructive criticism" in any way shape or form..Tony also blasted Andrew with this new design on the nlsc too did he not? lets go back..
tony-x wrote:
well... its ok... which usually = crap for a big site like this.
even my 7 year old cousin could have made something better. this took 3 months to make? god...

so u say thats "constructive criticism" too?? doesnt sound like it Enahs Live..

With Travis he said the site sucked and then he said why...while it's not as nice, it was still constructive criticism because he said why...

u r in a way and i'll tell u why later..i also said i brought it up because i keep saying how 9mm and uk alwaysputs Travis' patch down no matter how good it looks..just like this GP patch which was "near perfection" sumone said earlier..

PM them then...don't air your laundry in public...

so people and u treat him like crap because of sumthing he did in his personal life?? isnt it his personal life and not others or urs even?

Considering he put a love note to someone who probably didn't exist in every batch file and readme and posted links to pics of his 'girlfriend' in efforts to show off and brought us into his personal life, well, why should have a right to not care for him if he lied to us about said things, no?

like why should u or i care what he does in his personal life? u hate sumone for what hes done on here and not sumthing he does in his personal life imo..

No, I don't hate him; I don't respect him because he had to create another account on a forum for a video game to praise himself and takes patching so seriously he actually brags about getting awards that aren't subjective in any way sort of form, not to mention lying in an effort to impress us. I mean, please, what are you even arguing? If you respect someone who lies to make themselve look 'cool' to complete strangers over the internet, you have a problem...

what does that have to do wth things he does for the nlsc for "6 years" u say..?

It has everything to do with that...that entire six years was him blowing up his own work, bragging about his work through fake accounts, and lying about being married to a woman who he doesn't even know...then to top it off, if someone says anything negative about a patch he made, constructive or otherwise, he turns into a huge baby and quits or won't release patches, but will release screenshots to make the people who can't download the patch jealous. Yeah, that's cool as hell...

just look at what has transpired here..he didnt let people download any of his patches and did a "patch preview" site before..so what made him change his mind and let people download them now?

He's not stupid...he probably realized he looked like a big arrogant dork for doing something so stupid and selfish...

what i'm trying to say is its HIS patches, if the guy doesnt want someone commenting on his patches..just keep it to urself.

If the guy doesn't want comments he shouldn't release his patch in a public forum...

he makes patches for people to use just like everybody else..if u dont like it dont download it and use it.

Yeah, I don't download if I don't like it...what's your point? That's kind of a standard thing...if someone doesn't like a patch, they don't download it....

i knw u said pple like to "criticize" patches in a constructive way but what if he likes it how it is and dont want to fix it? that should be his problem..if people think its not good, just dont download it and if he doesnt see whats wrong wth it..its either hes blind (no offense Travis) or he just dont feel like it..no matter what..its his stuff..his personal life and people should at least let him be..

If he likes it and doesn't think anything is wrong with it, that's his prerogative. However, it's different when someone gives constructive criticism and he takes it as an insult and quits or does something stupid like a 'patch preview site'...

again u bring up his personal life..if he choose to do so, let him be..why bother with it?

The patching award was a huge problem when it came up...that's a NBA Live thing...not a personal thing...

that is poems and written work and has nothing to do with what were talking here or patching for that matter..

What's writing? An art. What's pasting pictures of other stuff over graphics? A form of art. Both are creative. Both are released to the public to enjoy. Same thing, different mediums.

u say u prefer Tony's work and u dont respect anything from Travis and sure enough..ur patches contain his work if i'm correct..

I said I mix and match everyone's patches...re-read it. I have some of Travis' patches on my computer...but generally I figure, well, Tony's or whoever's patch is just as good, and they have practice unis and shoes...plus Travis' face patches are generally nothing special. That's my opinion, I'm not jocking Tony or whatever, but my faces are just as good as him (that's from a technical standpoint, think what you will...), and I don't have a million people riding my dick...you guys probably don't even know I patch...

[Kob Master]

COOL, why the fuck did nobody invited me to that party , damn...

I'll tell u what my friend big_stud...
U piece of I don't know what( I don't want to make u cry ), listen up:
U got no IDEA, no IDEA, of that business...
... OK, u're kinda Travis Lee arsecrawler, aight! U love his work, and I must admit that some of his patches are really not that bad, as some people say... BUT... The last year, actualy over the last 2 years, a man called TONY HUML made the best quality patches for that game called NBA LIVE!!! He started with some nice cyberfaces for Live99, but made not that much. But then when Live 2001 appeared, *boom* the bomb exploded... He made tons of the best cyberfaces, jersey, shoes etc. ever made for live 2001, unless it was a "fucked up to patch" game...
Damn, boy, for me it's like that u're a kinda fucked up newbie who has no fuckin' idea what DAMN QUALITY means. TONY HUML made and still makes the best qualtiy patches. I know that Dev is brilliant too, and perhaps now he's on the same level with Tony. But I can remember that before live 2003 appeared, on the old NLSC forum everybody just came, freaking out on waiting for the next patch Tony Huml published and bothering him for patches for Live 2001. He was DA MAN and is still DA MAN who makes that game really better... That's history, dawg, like MJ, nobody will forget it...
And seriuosly, nothin' against good old Trav (I had contact once with him too)but, for sure, he has never had the skillz and never will have the skillz Tony, Alex, Gene, Dev, Steve, Rune and Bchogan have and had... Sorry man, it's fucked up reality... U know why I had contact with Trav?
It was at the begining of Live 2001, where no patches actually where out, and I remember Trav makin' some lil updates (longer rows for Spree) and even a cyberface for Marc Jackson. So I asked him for an Iverson face. And he said, "gimme a pic and it's done". So i searched for one but couldn't find any... But I had still my patches of Live 2000, so I gave him the face of Iverson made by SYKAL (R.I.P. bro ), with Steve and Gene the best live 2000 patcher, and he made it by puttin' that face on the regular AI fsh... that was all... it didn't really looked good... Instead of puttin' the faces just on the regular fsh's Tony made extra ordinary hairstyles, authentic cornrows and all that just combined with sweet face updates. And, comin' back from that history stuff, it's still so, Trav does puttin' face (in bad quality) on fsh and Tony does not. He's a guy who wants to have it perfect...
Just see Trav's Jermaine O'Neal, looks good on the first view... but it would be a good quality patch if he just hadn't put a Jermaine face on Dev's already existing fsh and cornrows... u get my point?
Aight, I don't wanna complain in any way anymore, and I excuse my rudeness at the begining, but I'm just a person (like some here) who know how the "game is played", coz obviously u don't.
If u don't trust me ask Tony Huml, Gene Hart-Smith, Alex Carreira, Brendan Hogan, Steve and also Travis Lee about me ...

And don't be so damn offended, everytime somebody says something rude. If u don't accept that, then we put an "parental advisory" on this board, to be sure ur mama reads it first, before u start complaining...

U belong to the community like everybody else here, let's keep it tight

Alex

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It's not like anything was said about him...someone said they liked another patch better, big deal. That's no cause for what's transpired...

i agree. what transpired wasnt his fault actually if u look at the top of the thread..

With Travis he said the site sucked and then he said why...while it's not as nice, it was still constructive criticism because he said why...

i was talking about the thing Tony and Alex said about this forum, i dont think that was "constructive criticism" in any case and Andrew would probably agree wth me too..just look at the way he said it, does that really help Andrew improve the site? no..

Considering he put a love note to someone who probably didn't exist in every batch file and readme and posted links to pics of his 'girlfriend' in efforts to show off and brought us into his personal life, well, why should have a right to not care for him if he lied to us about said things, no?

again, why should anyone care tho? just think of it, if he wants to do that, just nevermind him..all people had to do is dont talk to him or sumthing..its sumones personal life and if they choose to do sumthing like it, its their problem..i dont see a need to point piece by piece out (which is all old news by now..) because of sumthing he did in his personal life..

No, I don't hate him; I don't respect him because he had to create another account on a forum for a video game to praise himself and takes patching so seriously he actually brags about getting awards that aren't subjective in any way sort of form, not to mention lying in an effort to impress us. I mean, please, what are you even arguing? If you respect someone who lies to make themselve look 'cool' to complete strangers over the internet, you have a problem...

how do u knw for sure its him? i mean there are thousands of people posting on the boards here and just because people praise his work (just the same as how theyre doing with Tony right now) u say he creates account just to make him look "cool"? dont sound right here, if his forum ever gets back up, u should read the things that go on there...

If the guy doesn't want comments he shouldn't release his patch in a public forum...

he has his own forum u knw..he has made it clear that he ISNT the one asked to be posted here..bodybump for sum reason keeps doing it..

If he likes it and doesn't think anything is wrong with it, that's his prerogative. However, it's different when someone gives constructive criticism and he takes it as an insult and quits or does something stupid like a 'patch preview site'...

he hasnt done that for a while now..

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BUT... The last year, actualy over the last 2 years, a man called TONY HUML made the best quality patches for that game called NBA LIVE!!!

TONY HUML made and still makes the best qualtiy patches. I know that Dev is brilliant too, and perhaps now he's on the same level with Tony.

again just ur opinion, cant really say for the other thousands of people here..

And seriuosly, nothin' against good old Trav (I had contact once with him too)but, for sure, he has never had the skillz and never will have the skillz Tony, Alex, Gene, Dev, Steve, Rune and Bchogan have and had... Sorry man, it's fucked up reality...

yes every patcher has their own style and u cant judge sumone just because he is very good at a certain area of patching Live..like u say Tony and the rest of those others pple u listed r very good at what? cyberfaces..sum might be good at one thing and not the other..if u take a look at Travis' site right now..u dont see people making the things he makes..especially all the addons..i dont see Tony or any of those guys started on those yet (maybe sum but like the logos and loading screen stuffs)..he is good at those and i guess u can say its his "best work"..Tony's is cyberfaces and what not..so all ur doing his is commenting on cyberfaces to say Tony is "DA MAN" but u didnt realize the other areas in which others patch..ur just praising on cyberfaces..

Tony made extra ordinary hairstyles, authentic cornrows and all that just combined with sweet face updates.

yes i give him that..

And, comin' back from that history stuff, it's still so, Trav does puttin' face (in bad quality) on fsh and Tony does not. He's a guy who wants to have it perfect...

u obviously didnt comment on the things in which he did do from stratch..like this GP, most people seem to like it better than Tony's am i right?

Just see Trav's Jermaine O'Neal, looks good on the first view... but it would be a good quality patch if he just hadn't put a Jermaine face on Dev's already existing fsh and cornrows... u get my point?

yes i got ur point, but i also came out with a question for u..u say he puts a face on Dev's already made stuffs and release it..did he give credit to Dev for using it? yes..also..alot of people use other people's stuff to make their patches..just look at all the patchers here, they use EAs original hairstyles to make some of their patches too (including Tony and Dev..). take a look at Dev's rip hamilton patch..

This patch changes Rip's face, adds cornrows (by Tony) and shoes (by nahklahan)

he uses Tony's cornrows and shoes from Nahk..
Tony's tim thomas..

Completely updates Tim:

- adds a new more realistic face
- new cornrows
- adds his tattoos (done by Rey J)
- Adidas Bromium 3 shoes (for both home and away games; by Nahklahan)
- Bucks gear for practice and 1-on-1 modes

tattos by rey..shoes by nahk..
Tony's miles patch..

Replaces EA's horrible generic face, and adds a real one that looks a bit more like Miles, adds new cornrows, Air Jordan IX (fantastic shoes done by bchogan), and unique Jordan gear for practice and 1-on-1 modes (originally done by Alex).

so because u dont like sumone..u give him a fit and say..

Man... that's just really lazy work... Anybody can put a new face on an already existing fsh with sweet rows...

whats up wth that? so why say it when Tony and Dev, and others r also using other patchers hardwork into making a patch for themselves..and they get praises and good comments? while as Travis took the rows and i guess facial hair (which he too gave credits respectfully to Dev..) get called being "lazy"..u should call Tony lazy too then..he didnt make the tattoos or shoes for the patch? just my point of view..i dont see that being right..

[Wall St. Peon]

i was talking about the thing Tony and Alex said about this forum, i dont think that was "constructive criticism" in any case and Andrew would probably agree wth me too..just look at the way he said it, does that really help Andrew improve the site? no..

I was talking about Travis Lee's reasons for leaving the forum. Tony doesn't like Andrew, or something like that...we were talking about Travis Lee, not the NLSC...Tony and others gave Travis constructive criticism (for the most part), and he quit.

again, why should anyone care tho? just think of it, if he wants to do that, just nevermind him..all people had to do is dont talk to him or sumthing..its sumones personal life and if they choose to do sumthing like it, its their problem..i dont see a need to point piece by piece out (which is all old news by now..) because of sumthing he did in his personal life..

It's not his personal life when he makes it private. Putting "I love ya shauna" and putting links to pictures of his girlfriend on the website and proclaiming his marriage and what not on a private message board to gloat and show off and whatever is making his personal life public. Then it was discovered that what he was saying was false; I lost respect for him because for all I know he could be stealing stuff from some unknown patcher and claiming credit (in Live 98 he used Vinlex's shoes without giving credit...probably a good thing Vinlex didn't care)...if he's lying about stuff that we don't care about to make himself look better, the odds are pretty good he's lying about other stuff that does matter, such as who made what in patches. Since Tony and Alex came along to rip everyone who used pieces of patches without permission, Travis has been good about it...

how do u knw for sure its him? i mean there are thousands of people posting on the boards here and just because people praise his work (just the same as how theyre doing with Tony right now) u say he creates account just to make him look "cool"? dont sound right here, if his forum ever gets back up, u should read the things that go on there...

IP addresses and other ways, such as AOL dialups, which is what Travis uses...

Do you like a guy who shows you a bunch of drawings 'he' made and shows you pictures of his gorgeous 'girlfriend' and then like him after you find out he lied just to impress you? I know I don't, and that's the reaction I have right here. Once I found out what Travis did, I lost respect for him and his work, and while I download the really good patches he makes (which are few, in my opinion), there are patches just as good as his, if not better. Throw in the fact that there are tons of people jocking him when he's no better than me as a patcher, and it's just annoying. I mean, he has minions of people that love every patch no matter what, even if it's just plain ugly (the Tsakalidis is barely improved, it looks like Travis got history brush happy ) and will fight for him. How stupid is THAT? Loyalty so severe to a video game patcher? Please...that goes for the tony/alex/dev jockers, too...

he has his own forum u knw..he has made it clear that he ISNT the one asked to be posted here..bodybump for sum reason keeps doing it..

He's had accounts that he said weren't his when they were...would he tell you that he has false accounts on another site that he supposedly hates/doesn't care for? No...especially not on his own site. Like he's going to ruin the image that he's so concerned with...he's got gobs of fans, why disappoint them? It wouldn't surprise me if he had an account at the nlsc, or more than one, but I doubt he does...

he hasnt done that for a while now..

That's because he doesn't leave his 'room' *site*...the only people that visit it are people who want his patches, and the only people who post on the board are ones who love his stuff...think here...do you know what 'bias' is? That's all this discussion is about...

I don't like Travis, that's probably obvious. I download his patches I like and I download Tony's and Alex's and so on's patches that I like. I actually don't care for Dev's patches, no offense to him. I don't jock anyone, though, and I think anyone who has fans so loyal that they'll start random flame wars at the slightest negative comment about their idols patches...

I have an idea for you...try patching. Work on it for a month or so religiously, making faces and jerseys and so on, and then compare your work with Travis'. He's been doing this forever, but he hasn't improved. His front end graphics are great, jerseys are so so (Jowe's are better), and faces are average. Every once in a while he has a great face, but generally they look...well, they look like EA's with some more wrinkles to them. The photo looks lost a lot of the time, which is the whole point. *shrug* that's just my 'professional' opinion...

If you try patching and get the hang (e.g. knowing how to use the tools of Photoshop or PSP) of making faces and jerseys, you can be at the same level as Travis in a month. The front end stuff, well, that's a little different, but it's probably simpler than the other two (although quite a bit more creative than pasting stuff on jerseys). Patching isn't as hard as most think...

[Kob Master]

Oh man, am I speakin' into a mirror or what???

yes every patcher has their own style and u cant judge sumone just because he is very good at a certain area of patching Live..like u say Tony and the rest of those others pple u listed r very good at what? cyberfaces..sum might be good at one thing and not the other..if u take a look at Travis' site right now..u dont see people making the things he makes..especially all the addons..i dont see Tony or any of those guys started on those yet (maybe sum but like the logos and loading screen stuffs)..he is good at those and i guess u can say its his "best work"..Tony's is cyberfaces and what not..so all ur doing his is commenting on cyberfaces to say Tony is "DA MAN" but u didnt realize the other areas in which others patch..ur just praising on cyberfaces..

Isn't this a topic about a cyberface??? Yes it is... AND I'm JUST talkin' about cyberfaces. I know Trav is doin' good dornas etc. I've never said that his site is crap nor his add-ons neither his logos etc. I was talkin' about his cyberfaces, that's the specific section he's in my eyes (and in many others who got a kinda knowlegde about quality faces) untalented...

yes i give him that..

Thank u, one point where u give in

u obviously didnt comment on the things in which he did do from stratch..like this GP, most people seem to like it better than Tony's am i right?

Check out the point with the knowledge...

yes i got ur point, but i also came out with a question for u..u say he puts a face on Dev's already made stuffs and release it..did he give credit to Dev for using it? yes..also..alot of people use other people's stuff to make their patches..just look at all the patchers here, they use EAs original hairstyles to make some of their patches too (including Tony and Dev..). take a look at Dev's rip hamilton patch..
Quote:
This patch changes Rip's face, adds cornrows (by Tony) and shoes (by nahklahan)

he uses Tony's cornrows and shoes from Nahk..
Tony's tim thomas..
Quote:
Completely updates Tim:

- adds a new more realistic face
- new cornrows
- adds his tattoos (done by Rey J)
- Adidas Bromium 3 shoes (for both home and away games; by Nahklahan)
- Bucks gear for practice and 1-on-1 modes

tattos by rey..shoes by nahk..
Tony's miles patch..
Quote:
Replaces EA's horrible generic face, and adds a real one that looks a bit more like Miles, adds new cornrows, Air Jordan IX (fantastic shoes done by bchogan), and unique Jordan gear for practice and 1-on-1 modes (originally done by Alex).

Oh man... I was talkin' about the differences between TONY and TRAV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND COTDAMN CYBERFACES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tony never took any rows and faces, whatever, from other patchers!!!!! About the shoes... I know that, why should he make some new ones which are already done sweetly by Nahk or anybody else...
Listen, u put shoes in a bsho.fsh and then use it, but u don't change them or put a worse quality update on them and say: "hey, that sole is done me, the rest is done by Nahk, he gets credits" when it's done pretty shity by u, or U just take the complete shoe and say: "Great shoe done by Nahk, haven't changed anything, looks awesome"... U get the point?? That's the reaon I was kinda upset about the Jermaine face, he made it worse lookin'... And I know that Dev used Tony's rows, but if u'd know a bit about Tony's rows, u would see that Dev made them thinner and that on the head there're more rows then 6 lines on Dev's RIP... and he did it EXCELENT with an awesome cyberface!!!! <- that's another point, HOW u do it...
About the tats, just check the shoe part I mentioned, it's the same, he just took it cot Rey-J did it perfectly...

so because u dont like sumone..u give him a fit and say..

Hey man, read my posts carefully... I have never said that I don't like any patcher here, aight!!! Just constructive criticsm, coz I didn't expect such a "cheap" patch by Trav...

whats up wth that? so why say it when Tony and Dev, and others r also using other patchers hardwork into making a patch for themselves..and they get praises and good comments? while as Travis took the rows and i guess facial hair (which he too gave credits respectfully to Dev..) get called being "lazy"..u should call Tony lazy too then..he didnt make the tattoos or shoes for the patch? just my point of view..i dont see that being right..

Last but not least, again for u smartboy...
It's all about takin' someones work and makin' it NOT worse lookin'!!!! OK, then perhaps Tony and Dev should just release their cyberfaces and say: "Hey go to Rey-J's site if u want the tats, they're there in an individual zip file"...WTF? Man, why the fuck are shoepatchers like Nahk and Mitch doin' shoes? Yeah, they WANT their shoes included in some great patches of Tony, Dev etc. For real, ask them...

And stud... plz... differ between CYBERFACES, SHOES, ADD-ONS AND TATS... U can't put them on the same level... cyberfaces have 1st priority...

I see u're not quite into that thing, sorry for u dawg... coz I'm seeing u quoting on my stuff again and bringing bad arguments...

Silly...

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JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZUS

STOP THE MADNESS ALREADY !!!!

[Kob Master]

U're right dawg...

[Bredrin]

All this essay typing is ridiculous....believe it or not YOU ALL take this too seriously.

[Vins15]

this is wut Travis himself has to say...

"Well, since people keep wanting me to reply to what is going on at the NLSC board concerning me, here's my reply. Since I don't post nor have any accounts at the NLSC boards, I've asked a friend to give a response. I hope this really clears a lot of what has been said of me and what they all mean, what my opinions and response to those people.

First off I would like to ask Joaqz (if you're reading this, pretty sure you are by now) to stop posting/announcing my patches on this board. If people wonder why he's posting them up for me is this, because he chose to. I didn't asked him to, he asked me if he could post it up and I said sure if you want to you may. A lot of people have been emailing me asking me why I don't post my work on the NLSC boards and I simply tell them I don't get along with most people there. People now should probably know why. Secondly, Eric (big_stud12585) is just one of the many or few people that still support my work and appreciate it. He is no way in affiliated with me or am I posing as him whatsoever. If people still don't believe me on that and still accuse me of being him. I've told Eric and the rest of the people that is at the AWR 2003 Forum about 9mm and uk very much resembles the likes of Tony and Alex. So believe what you want, probably no one really believes me because of my past.

Most people know that I don't get along with those guys and I wanna make it clear, I don't. So it's very obvious that these two "pretenders" are acting up again since their accounts were banned a while back. A reason I sorta know why and how it links to them is the way the act and talk. Their avatars from nbalive.org and NLSC are very similar. Onto more important things though, what Shane has been proclaiming.

About Shane, I've never liked the guy and I'll tell you why. He's is just as arrogant as most others and is pretty much like the dork of the NLSC. In reply to his posts..

SHANE HEFTY
"He said EA's was better and Tony's was better...those are both opinions which mean they are his to have. He wasn't degrading or flaming anyone at all, nor was he saying Travis' patch sucked; he was simply saying he liked Tony's and EA's better."

He (9mm) said EA's was better, yes. He said Tony's was better than EA's, true to that. That's his opinion and I respect that. What I don't respect is how he has been doing ever since Joaqz posted my patches on the NLSC board. There is a pattern to it and that's why I told Eric to tell them they're not welcome to comment because I know quite well what I'm going to get in return. Just look back at the history, pretty sure Eric has pointed them out to you guys. He comments (which is fine), then adds in a negative comment somehow. uk ALWAYS (and I do mean always) gives me a bad comment no matter how good the patch I put out, look at the Darrell Armstrong post in which the best I could get from him was "decent." Other than that patch I was dissed on a number of occasions, why? Simply because they don't like me so that's what they'll do.

"Oh, and for those of you who haven't been around, Travis Lee has never been able to take any sort of criticism, constructive or otherwise, and that's why he doesn't announce his patches on the NLSC...he's been that way since he started patching for Live 98, I think..."

Maybe you're right, I might not be the best person about taking criticism but at least I do take them seriously. If you didn't remember, I did post (on the old board) on time about people should email me about suggestions to improving some patches because I hardly get any. I'm sure you didn't remember that (on purpose) because you only want to point out the bad side of me.

"Because he said before he left (basically) that "I'm not gonna post on here because people are criticizing everything I do."

Wrong! Do you know me than I know myself? I don't think so. I left because I clearly said "the forum is not what it used to anymore." It has gone from bad to worst because people have nothing else to do than to sit there and criticize instead of appreciate what is there for you.

"Someone would say "You should use so and so's headshape" or "Your website is hard to get through" or "You should lighten his skin" or "You should close the mouth a bit better" and so on...that's constructive criticism, no?...and Travis would be incredibly offended. He 'retired' from patching several times, and this was generally the reason he gave."

Never got those, my website is never hard to get through. What the heck are you talking about? Have you checked my current site? If you have a hard time getting through it, you really need to take a closer look. Yes, I've retired from patching several times, it was more of a 'I needed a break' sorta thing and not 'I don't like what they're saying to me.' I shouldn't have retired and come back all those times and it was my mistake. You have to also look at it this way. Jordan retired and came back a few times. Tony "quit" and keeps coming back a few times (at the old board), he said he was bored many, many times so that was his excuse for coming back. When it comes to me, everyone will jump ship and say it's annoying and all that crap when I do it.

"The people treat him like crap because he lied about a bunch of things and had multiple accounts on the board to praise his own work, and also they gave him crap because he's supposed to be 21-22 years old and he's dating a 14 year old from florida over the internet. People lost a lot of respect for stuff like that...so yeah...that's the deal with the board. He didn't want to deal with people, and that's understandable, but at the same time, that's his own fault."

Yes, I lied and I now admit it, but I had a reason for doing what I did. Why I lied about my age you say? Well, here's why. At the time I got into patching, I was about 13 or so. I learned from all the comments being thrown around the board about "little 12, 13 year old kids don't know what they're talking about," and "they don't act the way they do" and such. I was afraid to be put under that category of being just a "little boy" and be treated like one, like I don't know anything around here. The other stuffs like Shana and "marriage," are just history because of the age I put myself as. Shana is really my girlfriend at the time but that didn't come until I was about 16, I was in love with her and so as time progresses. I put up the "marriage" gimmick because I was pretty much too deep into the whole age thing and I couldn't get out of it so I went along with it. About the Internet dating, she's currently 16 and I'm 19. People date online and stuff but..it's not what you expect from this relationship. All I do is talk and play online games with her, what is wrong with that? She is very mature and old enough to know what we're going through at the moment and everything is fine. Now that is MY personal life and I would really appreciate it if you and all others leave that out. Yes, it is my fault and I'm dealing with the consequences, no question about it.

"Funny you mention the patcher awards...Travis won one of those and it cause problems. Why? Not because he won it, but because he brought it up two years later in a profile. "I've won a few awards as the best patcher blah blah blah" and it came off as arrogant as hell and just plain...annoying. It was like Travis took patchin so seriously that it was his life. I patch for fun and I do it when I have time...to take it that seriously?"

I brought it up, I admit it. The only thing that you and all others are wrong about is that WASN'T being addressed to the people at NLSC, it was meant to be addressed to Jennifer. Get that straight. So when I say it was for Jennifer, why do you say I brought it up because I'm cocky or arrogant 'towards' the NLSC about it? Why do you say I'm rubbing it in your face? Man I post that up on my personal profile because it was sorta like a resume, ever heard of that? So I don't see why it was wrong to address and make a biography for my g/f. Patching isn't my life, I got other things to do than to worry about it. I do it as a hobby just like every other patcher out there. I have school and work to worry about and I'm sure you do too. Everyone has something to do in their personal life but my personal life will always be there on the surface because I am hated for what I've done in the past. As of right now, I'm trying to change that, I regret what I did in the past and I'm trying to make things better for me and for others around me.

"The rivalries between fans of patches is silly as hell. Tony's v. Travis and so on...just stupid. I prefer Tony's patches because they're more complete, but I mix and match with practice gear and shoes and faces and what not to get combinations I like...and I know for a fact Tony could care less who likes his stuff and who doesn't...and Travis doesn't seem to care anymore, so why the rivalries between 'fans?' I mean, seriously, fans for patches for a game? Please."

There are many, many patchers out there right now. Everyone has their own way of patching and styles to show. If you like someone's patch(s), you should download it. Mix and match all you want, I do that too. Honestly though, none of them are Tony's, Alex, yours, and a few others, not even Nick or Jowe's. Not because I their work isn't good, they are great at what they do and I respect that. I don't use them because I don't have time to download and pick and choose like you and most others do. I do however have like 2 or 3 patches from Devastator, but that's about it, nothing else because I'm too busy with things around my life that I have no time to play the game even. I make patches when I have time and when I'm bored and that is the truth. The "patcher fans" should also stop whatever is going on over there (at the NLSC), I do agree it is pointless.

"No, I don't hate him; I don't respect him because he had to create another account on a forum for a video game to praise himself and takes patching so seriously he actually brags about getting awards that aren't subjective in any way sort of form, not to mention lying in an effort to impress us. I mean, please, what are you even arguing? If you respect someone who lies to make themselve look 'cool' to complete strangers over the internet, you have a problem..."

I'm sure you don't hate me, but hating me because you accused me of "creating another account to praise myself" is just wrong and unjustified. You have no proof in that, there are thousands and millions of fans and accounts out there. When someone gives a good comment for me, you automatically say that's me. Like I said, there is no proof in that and I would never do that. If you still believe that it is true, you should definitely look at Tony and Alex's "other accounts"

"He's not stupid...he probably realized he looked like a big arrogant dork for doing something so stupid and selfish..."

No, I'm not stupid. That also isn't why I started to allow downloads of my patch. PastorSutton, if you're still here, care to explain please.

"If the guy doesn't want comments he shouldn't release his patch in a public forum..."

I didn't release it in public, read what was mentioned above.

"Travis' face patches are generally nothing special. That's my opinion, I'm not jocking Tony or whatever, but my faces are just as good as him (that's from a technical standpoint, think what you will...)"

Everyone has their own little opinions, you have yours. As far as you comparing yourself to Tony, your faces are no way near what he makes, in my opinion of course. Just my honest opinion on your work since you gave your honest opinion on mines.

"I lost respect for him because for all I know he could be stealing stuff from some unknown patcher and claiming credit (in Live 98 he used Vinlex's shoes without giving credit...probably a good thing Vinlex didn't care)..."

I took Vinlex's shoes without giving him credit? Obviously YOU did not know anything about that subject so I'll explain it to you. Vinlex and I are friends, we both agreed that it was ok for me to add his shoes on the jersey patches that I've released BECAUSE people wanted them on it and so I just add it in. You know quite well that I wouldn't have added his shoes in or any other shoes if people didn't keep emailing me about it, sheesh. I always give credit where credit is due, I really no not like using other people's work as base on my patches unless it is really necessary. So your point here is pointless because it wasn't true, you brought that up because you don't like me and I could understand that. I don't like you either. I just got a question is why do you bring up all of this when the announcement was supposed to be on my GARY PAYTON CYBERFACE?

"Since Tony and Alex came along to rip everyone who used pieces of patches without permission, Travis has been good about it..."

Yes, they came and rip everyone for using "pieces of patches without permission." You say I have been good about it since? Another lie right? I lie, obviously you think you know me more than anyone here so you bring up all these stuff. Some are true and some are false, so it's not just me doing the lying around here. To prove to you that you're absolutely wrong, you should go and email Vinlex and ask him if I asked for his permission to use his shoes or not. Once you get your answer you may shut up then. Like I said, I don't usually use anyone's work for a base in my work. The ONLY thing I ever used when making patches for Live 2003 was Dev's cornrows and facial hair, and yes I did asked him first.

"IP addresses and other ways, such as AOL dialups, which is what Travis uses...

Throw in the fact that there are tons of people jocking him when he's no better than me as a patcher, and it's just annoying...the Tsakalidis is barely improved"

How could you be so sure I'm using AOL dialups? Hmm..mine's AOL DSL, do you want proof? I got proof for you, just have to ask, lol ::sighs:: LOL, are you kidding me? I'm no better than you as a patcher? Don't want to sound rude or want to brag about it but if it isn't obvious to you that you can't make anything else than cyberfaces and cheap (yes I said cheap) practice jerseys, you really need to check out the other sections of my site. Yes, the Tsakalidis isn't much, there are more cyberfaces that I did NOT release because I know for a fact it wasn't good enough to be release so I didn't release them. If you can't see much of an improvement to that Tsakalidis face, your problem and deal with it.

"He's had accounts that he said weren't his when they were...would he tell you that he has false accounts on another site that he supposedly hates/doesn't care for? No...especially not on his own site. Like he's going to ruin the image that he's so concerned with...he's got gobs of fans, why disappoint them? It wouldn't surprise me if he had an account at the nlsc, or more than one, but I doubt he does..."

Yeah and they're still not mines as people have been accusing me of. About the AWR Forum, things are going well there because you know why? People don't fight or argue about stupid things as this, I set up a poll for each patch I released so that people can vote on it on it if they want. They have their free right to do so and comment on it because I know they're not Tony or Alex wannabes. Also the polls are non-cheatable if for those people that thinks I'm voting for myself, sheesh. I also however try to keep my end of the bargain and stick with the rules set down for everyone. Everyone is treated equally as one, unlike here. Not to knock Andrew or Thug of their awesome work with the Forum and everything through the last few months but I really do feel you guys should start doing your job and not let things just slide out of proportions.

"I have an idea for you...try patching. Work on it for a month or so religiously, making faces and jerseys and so on, and then compare your work with Travis'. He's been doing this forever, but he hasn't improved. His front end graphics are great, jerseys are so so (Jowe's are better), and faces are average. Every once in a while he has a great face, but generally they look...well, they look like EA's with some more wrinkles to them."

LOL, I'm sure everyone would love to think that it is really that simple right Shane? Yeah I'm waiting for that, someone should take a month's worth of putting together some great patches and compare them to me, why me? My jerseys are "so so?" heh, alright, again that's your opinion. Jowe's are better? Another one of your opinions, I'm not saying mines are better but it is consist of my jersey textures. About quality since that's what you and others have been trying to compare me to, I'll show you guys something when I have time about quality. Just sit back and wait for it. Say what you feel like saying about my cyberface patches. Like I've said before, no matter how good of a work I put out, it will NEVER be better than the rest of those guys you put up there. Mainly because I'm hated by many, lol.

KOB MASTER
BUT... The last year, actualy over the last 2 years, a man called TONY HUML made the best quality patches for that game called NBA LIVE!!! He started with some nice cyberfaces for Live99, but made not that much. But then when Live 2001 appeared, *boom* the bomb exploded... He made tons of the best cyberfaces, jersey, shoes etc. ever made for live 2001"

Yeah, yeah, yeah..blah, blah, blah.. I said this before and I'll say it again, everyone has their own opinions and what they like, what they want to download for their game. Don't have to shove it all in my face, what's the point?

"And seriuosly, nothin' against good old Trav (I had contact once with him too)but, for sure, he has never had the skillz and never will have the skillz Tony, Alex, Gene, Dev, Steve, Rune and Bchogan have and had..."

Again, blah, blah, blah..

"he made it by puttin' that face on the regular AI fsh... that was all... it didn't really looked good..."

I made a Iverson face for you? I don't remember you nor do I remember making a Iverson face for anyone. I have made it clear before that I am NOT good in shoes, or cornrows BUT guys think that I am. So you put me down because I can't make those? Man at least I admit that I can't make those kind of stuff so why are you judging me by the things I can't do? You should also want to think about it first here, it's 2000, 3 years ago. There is room to improve on and you know that, I too need time to improve on that. Live 2000 graphics aren't as good as what they are now and so you shouldn't be judging my cyberfaces back then to them now. I really think I've improved on them by a lot (IMO).

"Just see Trav's Jermaine O'Neal, looks good on the first view... but it would be a good quality patch if he just hadn't put a Jermaine face on Dev's already existing fsh and cornrows... u get my point?

So you're putting my patch down just because I use ONE thing from another patcher? As Eric have pointed out, there are many other patchers out there that also uses stuff from others to better there patches. If you didn't notice, I did include correct/current headbands for him which I made. Like I said, I used one thing from him and his facial hair. Just this one patch and here you are making it such a big deal. So pretty much what you're saying is "others" are allowed to do that and I can't?

Isn't this a topic about a cyberface??? Yes it is... AND I'm JUST talkin' about cyberfaces. I know Trav is doin' good dornas etc. I've never said that his site is crap nor his add-ons neither his logos etc. I was talkin' about his cyberfaces, that's the specific section he's in my eyes (and in many others who got a kinda knowlegde about quality faces) untalented..."

So what's wrong with my Gary Payton cyberface? Comon, I can take your criticize, what's wrong with it? Yeah you like the banners and other addons and don't have a thing against it because of what? Cuz Tony and "others" have not even tried to make them so you have no arguments. Also I don't include custom bands and other accessories because I choose not to. You know full well if I wanted to I would make those and add them onto my face patches as well.

"Tony never took any rows and faces, whatever, from other patchers!!!!! About the shoes... I know that, why should he make some new ones which are already done sweetly by Nahk or anybody else..."

Yeah, sure sure man. I'm done arguing about using other patchers work. Tony uses Nahk's shoes and it's ok but when I use Vinlex's, Shane goes crazy like I never asked him for permission. I also said somewhere above that I don't like to use other work unless it's really neccessary so in my 6 years (as Shane put it), I used about 10 or less things from people. Don't know why you people just give me all this crap whenever I start using something which I don't do much.

"It's all about takin' someones work and makin' it NOT worse lookin'!!!!"

How am I making it more worst lookin'? Have you even check out the .fsh image I made? What do you really mean by making it worst lookin'? Do you mean that Dev's was perfect and that nobody else can make another Jermaine O'Neal cyberface? What's the problem with that? I see a billion Kobe Bryant cyberfaces out there and not much was said about that. You hardly see any Jermaine O'Neal face patches out there and when I make one, you start to cry about it being not as "good" as Dev's. I'm not saying it is better than his, that's what the people judge. I also made other faces out there that hasn't been patched yet, why don't you comment on that? I recently made an Adrian Griffin cyberface, well?

"Man, why the fuck are shoepatchers like Nahk and Mitch doin' shoes? Yeah, they WANT their shoes included in some great patches of Tony, Dev etc. For real, ask them..."

You should ask Shane that? I believe he was the one that was complaining when I was using Vinlex's shoes in my jersey patches (with permission).

To end this non-sense on a good note, if you don't know me that well yet, now you do. This is everything that should and has been put out on a plate for everyone. Shouldn't be anymore questions asked of me and what I feel about it. All I'm saying is I am trying to change and if you don't talk to me often on the forum (AWR Forum), or email me, that's your problem. What happened in the past should be kept in the past. People that still get bothered by whatever it is in the past should really get a life because I HAVE put it all aside. Later." quote Travis.....

[Bill Russell]

Like hell I will read all this... Geez... I'll say once again... Chill down people, it's only a patch for a computer game... Chill down... There are more important things in life than arguing over that...

[em]

oh lorddie..if Travis really wrote all that..damn..

[Bredrin]

All this essay typing is ridiculous....believe it or not YOU ALL take this too seriously.

[Andrew]

Andrew or moderator..r u guys going to do ur job or not?

Sorry, I can't be everywhere at once. As mentioned elsewhere, I've also started a new job recently, so coupled with the differences in timezone, I haven't had as much time to handle NLSC matters as I would like.

well Andrew and the mods should really start doing sumthing about all this

Agreed, my apologies for not doing something sooner, but I've already explained above.

I don't have much to say on what has been posted already, except this has gone far enough, and having been alerted to this thread (thanks Tales) it will be locked. The insults/constructive criticism debate has come up before, there's no need to get into all that again.

Please, there's no need for all this when someone releases a patch. You can say "I like this patch" without starting a flame war. You can say "The mouth needs fixing" or some other form of constructive feedback without starting a flame war.

The only other thing I will say is this: I can't be everywhere at once. I'm not always aware of problems. If nothing is being done, don't just sit back, roll your eyes and question whether I know about it. Obviously I don't, so report it! Let me know if there's a situation going out of hand and I'm not on the case, using the forum Private Messaging system or by email. Even more so with my new job (today I have a day off, so I can take care of things earlier) I am missing things, especially in Live 2003 Announcements.

That's all, this thread will be locked. Please try to avoid this. Accept that we're going to have differing opinions and that we must be respectful of others. Thank you.