Initial NLSC roster update released

[Andrew]

V1.00 is pretty basic - I'd go so far as to say nothing special - just a roster update. V1.01 will likely have the extras - the Tweaked version, the Injuries Ignored version, possibly realistic salaries, and a better installation .exe, so that's something to look forward to, I guess.

[poorch]

kewl..

[Ricks]

just let us know when the new one will be ready... can I make a request that you try to tweak it for the full 12 minute quarters? and not have a tweaked roster like the others that go on for 5 - 9 minute quarters and call it 'tweaked'...

I mean, it's great that ppl tweak it and all but I still really can't buy into the basketball simulation bit when it only gives 10 minute quarters... and still give up 110 - 123 score margins, when it should be giving you 12 minute quarters with a scorline of 80 - 90 being pretty high. With the patchers justifying it as the comp not walking the ball (which is true), I think the game is full of *hit, what happened EA ?

damn man so disappointed...

anyway, here's to hoping that you can improve the game even just by a little bit...
thanks!!!

8)

[Andrew]

I'm going to try to tweak it to the best of my ability, but I can't promise anything spectacular.

Also, for anyone who's now following a dead link or is having trouble installing the initial version, try version 1.01, online now and available here.

[ToniStarks]

Good stuff Andrew. I would suggest that you actually incorporate established tweaks to your rosters, such as DK's for example,(Best roster out there IMO, trailed very closely by HoopCity's roster)rather than start from scratch. At the very least take a look at what has beem implemented to arrive at these results. You'll save yourself the headache, trust me here.

I for one appreciate all your efforts. Look forward to your adjustments.

[Andrew]

Well, I'm certainly open to suggestions for the tweaked version, so any info that's sent my way that saves me some time (and my sanity) is fine by me.

[ToniStarks]

Ok, no problem. Here's a link to DK's tweaks. Judging by the responses garnered by his thread and my personal experience with this roster, I'm quite certain that a majority of the community is currently utilizing this roster or a slight variation.

http://www.members.aol.com/dadokasper/l ... loads.html

Areas of concern seem to be with erratic 3pt shooting and medium range shots, etc, but these tweaks are heads above what anyone else has been able to come up with to date. See what you can come up with.

[greenmig]

agreed wholeheartedly with toni.

if u use dk's as a baseline & apply yer knowledge & formulae etc etc...i would say we would have an awesome tweak from u real soon andrew

[hetoft]

I also fully agree...

[greenmig]

i also urge you to look very closely @ mike aparico of www.hoopscitylive.com roster as he has used a very analytical approach based purely on current nba stats & appropriately devised formulae which calculate almost every rating. this takes any "gutfeel" or bias out of the exercise...

good luck

[Ricks]

I stress that it would be extremely desirable if you could tweak the ratings so that the game can be played with 12 minute quarters (without holding anything back) and stll get a legit and/or decent RL scoreline.

We don't want a tweak that would need to limit the quarters I mean if we were to do that, we could just be playing 5 minute quarters and be getting an 80-90 tops scoreline...

so please, please, PLEASE! try to get the whole 12 minute quarters into it.

[ToniStarks]

Good to see these responses. Andrew, here's a link to Mike's formula. He just made a few recent changes to this formula(Quickness *.9 if I recall correctly, and a few other areas such as reworked fg shooting)for his latest roster, as a result these FEW adjustments don't reflect here.

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~nbalive/ph ... php?t=1331


If we can combine the strengths of both rosters, I truely believe we'll have something special in our hands..

[Andrew]

So long as those guys don't mind me using their tweaks (they'd get full credit for the use of them in the Tweaked version), I'm quite happy to use the best tweaks that are out there.

[ToniStarks]

I don't think that they'd mind especially if credit is given, at least I hope not. If you'd like I can forward this information for approval from the respective people involved.

[ToniStarks]

Andrew, you have 100% approval from DK as long as credit is given. Waiting on word from Mike A.

[ToniStarks]

To make things easier..

Mike's Formula:

+ Re-calculated FG, 3PT, FT, OREB, DREB, PASS, STL, BLK ratings based on 2001-02 stats (and in some instances 02-03 stats, college stats, or career stats if there was insufficient data). [NBA teams and free-agents only]
+ FG rating based on Adjusted FG% [((PTS-FTM)/FGA)/2], with a max FG rating of 85.
+ 3PT rating based on 3PT percentage, with a max rating of 85.
+ FT rating based on FTs, with slight boost for better online performance.
+ OREB/DREB ratings based on rebounds per 48 minutes.
+ PASS rating based on assists per 48 minutes, with slight boost to limit interceptions.
+ BLK rating based on blocks per 48 minutes, with a max rating of 70.
+ STL rating based on steals per 48 minutes, with a max rating of 70.
+ Re-calculated PRIMACY and FATIGUE ratings based on 2002-03 stats (and in some instances 01-02 stats). [NBA teams and free-agents only]
+ PRIMACY rating based on FGA+FTA per 48 minutes.
+ FATIGUE rating based on minutes per game.
+ Globally modified OFF AWR, INS SCR, DUNK, JUMP, and SPEED base ratings (0-99). [All teams including legends and all-stars]
+ OFF AWR rating multiplied by (PRIMACY/100).
+ INS SCR rating multiplied by (PRIMACY/100).
+ DUNK rating multiplied by .7
+ JUMP rating multiplied by .5
+ SPEED rating multiplied by .8
+ QUICKNESS rating multiplied by .8
+ Some ratings were adjusted slightly for more accurate substitution patterns.
+ Added B. Rich, Busta Rhymes, DJ Clue, Fabolous, Just Blaze, and Hot Karl to the Legends Pool.


Dk's formula:

FG *.50
3PT *.83
Inside Scoring *.20
Dunking *.79
Steals *.20
Blocks *.22
Jump *.42
Speed *.72
Quickness *.95
Dribble *1.05
Def Awareness *1.1
PRIMACY FORMULA
((FGA)+(FTA))/((TOTALMIN)/48)*1.25)+50
FATIGUE FORMULA
((TOTALMIN/GAMESPLAYED))+50

[Andrew]

Cool. Thanks to DK if he's around, I think it's a much better idea to collaborate our efforts in the interest of making the best possible roster update. There will of course be credit where credit is due, so I can assure both DK and Mike that I'm not going to take credit for the work they have done.