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Postby Andrew on Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:03 pm

Yeah, yeah, just wait for v2.0. :twisted: Seriously though, the best sliders for each individual are the ones they tweak for themselves, even if it's from a starting point be it your suggestions, my suggestions or someone else's. (Y)
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Postby Yessie on Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:51 am

i get the best results with andrew's sliders. never tweak them and i do lose some games. and most of the games i have to work hard 8-) to win.
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Postby Anthony15 on Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:07 pm

Hey Andrew, can u tell me which sliders should i pull up to have more FT in the game?
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Postby COOLmac© on Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:16 pm

prolly the foul slider :)
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Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:44 pm

Anthony15 wrote:Hey Andrew, can u tell me which sliders should i pull up to have more FT in the game?


The shooting foul slider, though you might also want to up the mid-air collision foul slider as well. Also, increasing the reach-in fouls slider will put you both in a penalty situation more often. I've been getting pretty good results with fouls since making changes to those sliders.
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Postby CrescentMoon on Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:16 am

Here's a slider set I use to watch a simulation game (CPU vs. CPU) Note that this is not to simulate realism, but it has enough of the defaults to make the game dramatic-looking.

Difficulty: All-Star


Quarters: 12 min

Game Speed: 40
Free Throw Difficulty: 32

Boundary Force Field: 36
Injury Frequency: 50
Fatigue Effect: 46

Charge/Block Foul Frequency 55
Shooting Foul Frequency: 18
Reach-in Foul Frequency: 10
In-air Collision Foul Frequency: 75

CPU Steal Ability: 12
CPU Interception Ability: 10
CPU Shot Block Ability: 0
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 8


CPU Freestyle Effectiveness: 50
CPU Dunk Frequency: 35
CPU Substitution Frequency: 40-60 (depending on how deep you like to go in the bench)
CPU Offensive Rebounding: 40
CPU Defensive Rebounding: 75
CPU Fakeout Discipline: 50
CPU Short Range Shooting: 50
CPU Medium Range Shooting: 50
CPU Long Range Shooting: 50
CPU On-ball Physical Defense
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent
CPU Double-team Effectiveness: 50
CPU Pro-Hop Effectiveness: 81
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness: 81

I'm still pissed at the AI during close games, such as making half-court shots when there's enough time to run up to the 3-pointer line, or passing the ball to your center when you're down by 3 and 4 seconds left to go.... these programming stinkers needs to get fixed.
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Postby Yessie on Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:38 am

i find when i try to see cpu vs cpu games there always too many blocks. like the rookie vs sophmore game. when i dont have a player on either side ill just watch the game. 8-)
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Postby CrescentMoon on Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:19 pm

yeah, there's no way around the blocking issue unless you mod everyone's blocking stat down.
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Postby Yami Ron on Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:39 am

Also the thing about the Shooting Range sliders, they don't indicated the accuracy of the shot going up. I noticed that the sliders actually indicate the probability that the shot will go up if the ball is currently in that range on the court. Taking this into account, I have prepared this final version of my sliders that work at both All-Star and Superstar levels. I have gotten realistic scores in the 80s-90s from each game.

Ron's Final All-Star/Superstar Sliders

Global Sliders

Game Speed: 33
Free Throw Difficulty: 40
Boundary Force Field: 50
Injury Frequency: 55
Fatigue Effect: 55
Charge/Block Foul Frequency: 60
Shooting Foul Frequency: 15
Reach-in Foul Frequency: 15
In-air Collision Foul Frequency: 60

User/CPU Sliders

User Steal Ability: 25
User Interception Ability: 10
User Shot Block Ability: 10
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 10
User Freestyle Effectiveness: 33
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency: 25
User Substitution Frequency: 0/50
User On-ball Defense Assist: 67
User Offensive Rebounding: 25
User Defensive Rebounding: 75
User Fakeout Discipline: 83
User Short Range Shooting: 45/33
User Medium Range Shooting: 45/33
User Long Range Shooting: 45/33
User Dunk Percentage: 45/33
User Lay-up Percentage: 45/33
User Adjusted Shot Percentage: 45/33
User On-ball Defense: 67
User Poor Release Shot Percent: 25
User Double-team Effectiveness: 50
User Pro Hop Effectiveness: 33
User Drop Step Effectiveness: 33
Last edited by Yami Ron on Mon May 09, 2005 3:59 am, edited 7 times in total.
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Postby brad feet on Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:47 am

okay for those of you who's lookin for a challenge and tired of beating the cpu by a large margin, i would suggest these LAST UPDATE of my sliders.... as ijblpacers said, every posession is a war.....

basically, i just changed the level to SUPERSTAR and increased all the shooting range from 45 to 50(both user & cpu) from my previous sliders so that you can keep-up with the cpu.....

noticed that all sliders are equal for both user and cpu, the cpu even have an advantage on some sliders.... enjoy and good luck......

kobelive2005's SLIDERS(LAST UPDATE)-revised 18 APRIL 2005

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Level = SUPERSTAR
Quarter Length = 10 minutes


Global Sliders

Game Speed: 50
Free Throw Difficulty: 50 to 60
Boundary Force Field: 65
Injury Frequency: 45
Fatigue Effect: 45
Charge/Block Foul Frequency: 50 (to make it balance)
Shooting Foul Frequency: 30
Reach-in Foul Frequency: 30
In-air Collision Foul Frequency: 60


USER Sliders / CPU Sliders

Steal Ability: 30 / 30
Interception Ability: 20 / 20
Shot Block Ability: 2 / 2 (changed from 5 to 2, about 4 to 7 bpg, just take smart shots)
Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 5 / 5 (changed from 15 to 10, then to 5)
Freestyle Effectiveness: 45 / 45
Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency: 3 / 3 (fixed the small pg's dunking on traffic)
Substitution Frequency: 0 / 70
On-ball Defense Assist: 45 / N.A. (just right, not too much defense assist on my cpu controlled players)
Offensive Rebounding: 40 / 40
Defensive Rebounding: 50 / 50
Fake-out Discipline: 90 / 50 (still difficult enough to fake-out the cpu)
Short Range Shooting: 50 / 50
Medium Range Shooting: 50 / 50
Long Range Shooting: 50 / 50
Dunk Percentage: 50 / 50 (sometimes misses fast break dunks)
Lay-up Percentage: 57 / 57 (changed from 65 to 60, then to 57)
Adjusted Shot Percentage: 50 / 50
On-ball Physical Defense: 47 / 47 (changed from 40 to 45, then to 47)
Poor Release Shot Percent: 50 / 50
Double-team Effectiveness: 50 / 50
Pro Hop Effectiveness: 30 / 40
Drop Step Effectiveness: 30 / 40
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Postby A.G. on Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:37 am

I tried some of the slider's posted here for 12 minute quarter, superstar level, but I get too high results. Can someone post some tips about how to lower the scores? I read about running plays for me and my opponents but that didn't seem to work. Also I would like to ask about scoring in the paint because it is quite easy to just dunk all the time. I thought about increasing the on-ball defense but that would make harder to penetrate. Perhaps I need to lower strengh and dunking ratings for all the players?
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Postby Yami Ron on Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:53 am

I saw in Superstar mode that defensive players don't even jump to block shots unlike in All-Star Mode. It is like the computer doesn't even pay attention to the sliders when Superstar is in play. So my speech below is based upon All-Star mode.

From my stats above, I have increased the On-Ball Defense and Assist to 67 for both User and CPU. The CPU slider is for every player on the court except for the one you are controlling.

About the high scores, make them 11 min quarters instead. With the sliders above, I have set up the Playoffs for this season and I am using Phoenix and Detroit. I play every odd game and sim the even ones to make the game a little fairer. Anyways, for the first games with these sliders with 12 minute quarters it was:

PHO 120, MEM 95
DET 106, PHI 101

I felt they were a little bit high, so I knocked off 1 min off the quarters and got these results for the games of the remaining games of the first round of the playoffs (I kept the Sim times to 12 min):

Phoenix vs. Memphis
Game 2: (Sim) PHO 88, MEM 80
Game 3: (Play) PHO 94, MEM 81
Game 4: (Sim) PHO 94, MEM 82

(the played game completely falls into place with the simmed ones here)

Phoenix win series 4-0

Detroit vs. Philadelphia
Game 2: (Sim) PHI 104, DET 97
Game 3: (Play) DET 97, PHI 67
Game 4: (Sim) DET 101, PHI 85
Game 5: (Play) DET 103, DET 69

(Detroit found their defense in the games I played, and not with a lot of blocks either)

Detroit wins series 4-1

As for the second round matchups for me, it will be Phoenix vs. Dallas and Detroit vs. Indiana. I hope the second one doesn't have a brawl in it ^^;

Anyways, the other two matchups are Miami vs. Washington and Seattle vs. San Antonio. I look forward to how all of these series turn out in the next few days.
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Postby A.G. on Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:48 am

Yami Ron wrote:
About the high scores, make them 11 min quarters instead.


Actually I lowered the length of the quarter to 10 minutes. It worked well, but I was wondering if there is a way to lower the scores playing 12 minutes quarter.
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Postby Yami Ron on Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:52 pm

A.G. wrote:
Yami Ron wrote:
About the high scores, make them 11 min quarters instead.


Actually I lowered the length of the quarter to 10 minutes. It worked well, but I was wondering if there is a way to lower the scores playing 12 minutes quarter.
Lower the Shooting Sliders and the Dunk, Lay-up, and Adjusted Shot Percentages. Having all those levels at 35-40 for the User and 33 for the CPU are adequate.

Secondly, like you have tried to do, raise the On-ball Defense (and Assist) between 67-83 (mine is at 67).

Thirdly, slowing the game down doesn't matter. The CPU will initially play at your level, but then force you to play an uptempo game.
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Postby dcGrimes on Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:07 pm

Is there any way to Save, Load, or Import slider adjustments?

When someone changes the sliders it is a trying task to have to change them all back to the way I would like them to be.

Is there a file where the slider settings are located?
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Postby Speedy Gonzales on Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:41 am

Guys,I have only one question-how can you play the game with speed set so low? That isn't realistic,if you ask me. And I think it takes out all the fun out of the game,whats the fun in watching players runinng the fast break for half a minute? I just can't play that way. No hard feelings.
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Postby Yami Ron on Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:10 am

The Settings file is called settings.dat and is located in the My Documents\NBA Live 2005\settings folder, but it can't be modified by a simple text editor.

There is also a settings.dat file in every one of your saved Season/Dynasty folders. You should be able to overwrite the one in the main settings folder with the one in your saved games folder (copy, don't move)

The computer still fast breaks on the slower speed setting, it is just easier to keep up with the computer's offensive plays. Also, the speed of the computer processor is also taken into account.
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Postby COOLmac© on Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:22 am

Newjersey wrote:Guys,I have only one question-how can you play the game with speed set so low? That isn't realistic,if you ask me. And I think it takes out all the fun out of the game,whats the fun in watching players runinng the fast break for half a minute? I just can't play that way. No hard feelings.

it's just a matter of preference my friend.....some of us like a half court type of game......while some of us wants the flare of arcade stlye :D
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Postby Andrew on Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:11 pm

Newjersey wrote:Guys,I have only one question-how can you play the game with speed set so low? That isn't realistic,if you ask me. And I think it takes out all the fun out of the game,whats the fun in watching players runinng the fast break for half a minute? I just can't play that way. No hard feelings.


Can't speak for anyone else, but fast breaks are still pretty quick for me when the game speed is turned down. With the right setting, the players move at an accurate pace while the scores remain realistic. But to each their own. (Y)
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Postby Andrew on Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:15 am

Andrew Sliders v2.0
(Optimised for 12 minute quarters on All-Star & Superstar)

GLOBAL:

Game Speed: 36
Free Throw Difficulty: 70
Boundary Force Field: 60
Injury Frequency: 50 (but up to 75 on All-Star)
Fatigue Effect: 52 (65 for All-Star Game)
Charge/Block Foul Frequency: 60
Shooting Foul Frequency: 35
Reach-in Foul Frequency: 22
In-air Collision Foul Frequency: 75

USER:

User Steal Ability: 44
User Interception Ability: 35
User Shot Block Ability: 0
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 5
User Freestyle Effectiveness: 45
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency: 30
User Substitution Frequency: 0 (50 for Auto-Subs)
User On-ball Defense Assist: 42
User Offensive Rebounding: 40
User Defensive Rebounding: 75
User Fakeout Discipline: 100
User Short Range Shooting: 50
User Medium Range Shooting: 50
User Long Range Shooting: 50
User Dunk Percentage: 50
User Lay-up Percentage: 50
User Adjusted Shot Percentage: 50
User On-ball Defense: 50
User Poor Release Shot Percent: 50
User Double-team Effectiveness: 50
User Pro Hop Effectiveness: 30
User Drop Step Effectiveness: 50

CPU:

CPU Steal Ability: 28
CPU Interception Ability: 9
CPU Shot Block Ability: 0
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 5
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness: 40
CPU Dunk Frequency: 30
CPU Substitution Frequency: 50 (90 for All-Star Game)
CPU Offensive Rebounding: 40
CPU Defensive Rebounding: 75
CPU Fakeout Discipline: 50
CPU Short Range Shooting: 50
CPU Medium Range Shooting: 50
CPU Long Range Shooting: 50
CPU Dunk Percentage: 50
CPU Lay-up Percentage: 50
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage: 50
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency: 50
CPU On-ball Physical Defense: 33
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent: 50
CPU Double-team Effectiveness: 50
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness: 50
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness: 50

NOTE: Still subject to change based on further research and suggestions. Please also note that due to differences in all of our playing styles, you might need to make some personalised tweaks to my slider set. These will probably replace v1.0 as the suggested sliders in the roster update and over on the main site, once they've been tested.
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Postby nodavilp on Mon May 02, 2005 7:00 am

@Andrew
I just changed the parameters as you said, and everithing is ok but players are too slow now....what parametar do I have to change to make them faster


BTW I just lost a game, recived 9points (3x3-point) in less than 30sec. !!!!, stupid game.......
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Postby Andrew on Mon May 02, 2005 10:20 am

Game Speed.
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Postby nodavilp on Mon May 02, 2005 10:19 pm

thought it was that, thanks man and nice work (Y)
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Postby vveg on Wed May 04, 2005 12:45 pm

ok i don't know if it isright to write it here. but i have a problem and wonder if it has any relation with sliders.
each game i played goes head to head. u cannot make more than 12 or 13 points difference. if u do so u start missing dunks and open 3 pointers and the cpu nearly scores all shots till it gets a tie and then everything gets normal again. the opposite is also true that i f u are being beaten by 12 or 13 points u can easily cut the deficit.
i want the game to be realistic that good teams playing well can win by 15 or more points.
does anyone have a solution for this?
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Postby Andrew on Wed May 04, 2005 1:16 pm

That situation is controlled by the CPU Assistance option as well as what we refer to as the "comeback code". In addition to the CPU Assistance option (which is designed to help the team behind come back and keep the scores close), the "comeback code" challenges the user by allowing the CPU some unfair advantages; namely making the user miss more easy shots (particularly dunks) while the CPU team's abilities are boosted. It generally kicks in during the fourth quarter.
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Postby smartxtai on Wed May 04, 2005 7:39 pm

Andrew,
What does "Fakeout Discipline" mean? What happens when it is a higher or lower number?
Is there a link explaining all the gameplay settings?
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Postby Andrew on Wed May 04, 2005 9:49 pm

it determines how effective fakes will be at eluding defenders.
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Postby paradizecityz on Fri May 06, 2005 10:41 am

ok sorry for long time without posting how my sliders do in a game, i been restarting my dynasty to work out some stuff so i havent had any games against a high scoring team like dallas or phoenix, but i played against San Antonio and my next game is against the Lakers, but here are the results from San Antonio

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Postby jrsmith23 on Wed May 11, 2005 7:34 am

Hi all. I have been playing with these sliders some time. I think they are the most realistic i have played. I challenge you all to test them! :wink:

jrsmith23 NBA Live 2005 Sliders

Level: All Star
Quarter Length: 10 mins

Global Sliders

Game Speed: 36
Free Throw Difficulty: 55
Boundary Force Field: 65
Injury Frequency: 50
Fatigue Effect: 55
Charge/Block Foul Frequency: 50
Shooting Foul Frequency: 30
Reach-in Foul Frequency: 30
In-air Collision Foul Frequency: 60

User Sliders

User Steal Ability: 0
User Interception Ability: 0
User Shot Block Ability: 0
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 10
User Freestyle Effectiveness: 45
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency: 10
User Substitution Frequency: 0
User On-ball Defense Assist: 45
User Offensive Rebounding: 40
User Defensive Rebounding: 50
User Fakeout Discipline: 90
User Short Range Shooting: 43
User Medium Range Shooting: 43
User Long Range Shooting: 43
User Dunk Percentage: 50
User Lay-up Percentage: 65
User Adjusted Shot Percentage: 45
User On-ball Defense: 40
User Poor Release Shot Percent: 50
User Double-team Effectiveness: 50
User Pro Hop Effectiveness: 30
User Drop Step Effectiveness: 30

CPU Sliders

CPU Steal Ability: 30
CPU Interception Ability: 20
CPU Shot Block Ability: 5
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 15
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness: 45
CPU Dunk Frequency: 10
CPU Substitution Frequency: 70
CPU Offensive Rebounding: 40
CPU Defensive Rebounding: 50
CPU Fakeout Discipline: 50
CPU Short Range Shooting: 57
CPU Medium Range Shooting: 57
CPU Long Range Shooting: 57
CPU Dunk Percentage: 50
CPU Lay-up Percentage: 65
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage: 50
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency: 40
CPU On-ball Physical Defense: 50
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent: 50
CPU Double-team Effectiveness: 50
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness: 40
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness: 40

If someone test them, please post your answers!
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installing sliders

Postby Willie on Wed May 18, 2005 7:09 am

do you install sliders yourself like move them one by one or is there a file where u can replace all the sliders
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Postby Andrew on Wed May 18, 2005 11:19 am

You apply them yourself. They're stored in a .dat file but I believe that file also contains most (if not all) of the other game settings, some of which may not be to your liking (or as far as detail settings are concerned, suitable for your PC's capabilities).
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Postby NickD25 on Wed May 18, 2005 2:47 pm

I'm having some problems with the realistic sliders (the one's posted on the main page).

I'm always getting 120+ points games and often over .500 for the team FGA. Fouls aren't too good either as I'm usually getting a 2:1 ratio against me.

I'm playing at All-Star, 12 minutes quarters and usually, I take control of the PG on defense so the shooting fouls rarely comes from me.

So what would be the specific slider to drop down both team FGA and points at the same time?

When I was playing 10 minutes quarters it worked fine but in a season, I do check out the minutes played stat a lot so... :(
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Postby Buckley on Thu May 19, 2005 6:49 am

Does anyone have any suggestions for my sliders? Currently these are the ones im using:

Quarter Length: 9 mins
Difficulty: All-Star
GLOBAL:

Game Speed: 50
Free Throw Difficulty: 22 (I suck at FT shooting)
Boundary Force Field: 70
Injury Frequency: 100
Fatigue Effect: 50
Charge/Block Foul Frequency: 80
Shooting Foul Frequency: 50
Reach-in Foul Frequency: 55
In-air Collision Foul Frequency: 100

USER:

User Steal Ability: 45
User Interception Ability: 40
User Shot Block Ability: 50
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 45
User Freestyle Effectiveness: 55
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency: 50
User Substitution Frequency: 80
User On-ball Defense Assist: 70
User Offensive Rebounding: 50
User Defensive Rebounding: 75
User Fakeout Discipline: 100
User Short Range Shooting: 50
User Medium Range Shooting: 50
User Long Range Shooting: 55
User Dunk Percentage: 70
User Lay-up Percentage: 80
User Adjusted Shot Percentage: 50
User On-ball Defense: 90
User Poor Release Shot Percent: 50
User Double-team Effectiveness: 100
User Pro Hop Effectiveness: 55
User Drop Step Effectiveness: 55

CPU:

CPU Steal Ability: 15
CPU Interception Ability: 10
CPU Shot Block Ability: 0
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 0
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness: 40
CPU Dunk Frequency: 20
CPU Substitution Frequency: 50
CPU Offensive Rebounding: 50
CPU Defensive Rebounding: 55
CPU Fakeout Discipline: 50
CPU Short Range Shooting: 45
CPU Medium Range Shooting: 45
CPU Long Range Shooting: 45
CPU Dunk Percentage: 50
CPU Lay-up Percentage: 50
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage: 25
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency: 35
CPU On-ball Physical Defense: 30
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent: 35
CPU Double-team Effectiveness: 30
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness: 45
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness: 45
Usually I get scores that are in the 120s for both teams, not uncommon for me to be playing in a game where the teams combine for 300.
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Postby NickD25 on Fri May 20, 2005 1:20 pm

aisixers3 wrote:User Short Range Shooting: 50
User Medium Range Shooting: 50
User Long Range Shooting: 55

User Poor Release Shot Percent: 50

CPU:

CPU Short Range Shooting: 45
CPU Medium Range Shooting: 45
CPU Long Range Shooting: 45

CPU Poor Release Shot Percent: 35

Usually I get scores that are in the 120s for both teams, not uncommon for me to be playing in a game where the teams combine for 300.


Damn!! 300 combine in a 9 minutes game. Even with my ratings I never went that high in 10 minutes.

So I would suggest putting the Poor Release Shot Percent higher for both the CPU and User (which will force you to release better shots) and lowering range shooting until you can get a realistic FG% for both teams.

Hope this helps!
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Andrew Sliders v2.0 FeedBack

Postby 2xEv_Dang on Sat May 21, 2005 1:55 am

hi ~ Andrew
Always ... Thanks for your roster.

I think ... Andrew Sliders v2.0

[Good]

ⓐ USER Possible FastBack
ⓑ CPU Realistic 3 Pointers Shot Attempted Per Game
ⓒ CPU Realistic Team Assits and Block Per Game

[Bad]

ⓐ Not Realistic CPU Field Goals Attempted Per Game
ex. 12 Min : CPU 90 + 100 + Field Goals Attempted
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Postby Buckley on Fri May 27, 2005 9:38 am

Aisixers3 Sliders v2
Quarter Length: 9 mins
Difficulty: All-Star
GLOBAL:

Game Speed: 50
Free Throw Difficulty: 22 (I suck at FT shooting)
Boundary Force Field: 70
Injury Frequency: 90
Fatigue Effect: 50
Charge/Block Foul Frequency: 80
Shooting Foul Frequency: 50
Reach-in Foul Frequency: 55
In-air Collision Foul Frequency: 100

USER:

User Steal Ability: 45
User Interception Ability: 40
User Shot Block Ability: 50
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 45
User Freestyle Effectiveness: 55
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency: 50
User Substitution Frequency: 80
User On-ball Defense Assist: 70
User Offensive Rebounding: 50
User Defensive Rebounding: 75
User Fakeout Discipline: 100
User Short Range Shooting: 45
User Medium Range Shooting: 45
User Long Range Shooting: 50
User Dunk Percentage: 70
User Lay-up Percentage: 80
User Adjusted Shot Percentage: 50
User On-ball Defense: 90
User Poor Release Shot Percent: 50
User Double-team Effectiveness: 100
User Pro Hop Effectiveness: 55
User Drop Step Effectiveness: 55

CPU:

CPU Steal Ability: 15
CPU Interception Ability: 10
CPU Shot Block Ability: 0
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 0
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness: 40
CPU Dunk Frequency: 20
CPU Substitution Frequency: 50
CPU Offensive Rebounding: 50
CPU Defensive Rebounding: 55
CPU Fakeout Discipline: 50
CPU Short Range Shooting: 40
CPU Medium Range Shooting: 40
CPU Long Range Shooting: 40
CPU Dunk Percentage: 50
CPU Lay-up Percentage: 50
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage: 25
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency: 35
CPU On-ball Physical Defense: 30
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent: 50
CPU Double-team Effectiveness: 30
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness: 45
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness: 45
These were my results for the last game using these sliders.
Boston Philadelphia

Pts 104 113
Rebs 39 45
Ast 9 24
Stl 6 4
Blk 5 5
Fouls 21 25
TO 10 14
FG/Att 35/90 44/83
FG% .389 .530
3P/Att 2/15 2/17
3P% .133 .118
FT/Att 32/45 23/27
FT% .711 .852
O. Reb 12 5
D. Reb 27 40

Any more suggestions?
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ParoXsitiC v1 - May 29, 05

Postby ParoXsitiC on Mon May 30, 2005 2:59 am

Code: Select all
These are the most accurate and generalized sliders. They are a creation of 124 watched/simmed/played games all with players the same height and ratings. Tweaked to the finest detail and then compared to real statistics. Multiple linear regression results combined with linear weights of over 10 popular and recently updated sliders.

Optimized for 12 minutes & All Star

Other minute to Game speed settings(untested):
Min   Game Speed
12......41
11      49
10......59
9       70
8.......84
7       100

GLOBAL:

Game Speed.........................41
Free Throw Difficulty:             55
Boundary Force Field...............55
Injury Frequency:                  44
Fatigue Effect.....................52
Charge/Block Foul Frequency:       54
Shooting Foul Frequency............30
Reach-in Foul Frequency:           22
In-air Collision Foul Frequency....62

USER:

User Steal Ability.................36
User Interception Ability:         21
User Shot Block Ability.............5
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability:    14
User Freestyle Effectiveness.......38
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency:    29
User Substitution Frequency........40
User On-ball Defense Assist:       46
User Offensive Rebounding..........25
User Defensive Rebounding:         83
User Fakeout Discipline............97
User Short Range Shooting:         54
User Medium Range Shooting.........54
User Long Range Shooting:          49
User Dunk Percentage...............57
User Lay-up Percentage:            57
User Adjusted Shot Percentage......49
User On-ball Defense:              50
User Poor Release Shot Percent.....45
User Double-team Effectiveness:    50
User Pro Hop Effectiveness.........37
User Drop Step Effectiveness:      47

CPU:

CPU Steal Ability..................28
CPU Interception Ability:           8
CPU Shot Block Ability..............5
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability:     14
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness........36
CPU Dunk Frequency:                29
CPU Substitution Frequency.........50
CPU Offensive Rebounding:          33
CPU Defensive Rebounding...........73
CPU Fakeout Discipline:            70
CPU Short Range Shooting...........58
CPU Medium Range Shooting:         48
CPU Long Range Shooting............47
CPU Dunk Percentage:               54
CPU Lay-up Percentage..............54
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage:      47
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency........54
CPU On-ball Physical Defense:      42
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent......45
CPU Double-team Effectiveness:     50
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness..........47
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness:       47
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Postby Yami Ron on Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:02 pm

The reason why the scoring is so high is because of the inside scoring (including the CPU) and low levels of defense. I have made my final adjustment to the sliders and my scores for 12 min quarters are NBA standard. It is hard to score 100 points with them. Hey boss Andrew, I hope you try these too ^^.

Ron's Final All-Star Sliders

Global Sliders

Game Speed: 33
Free Throw Difficulty: 40
Boundary Force Field: 50
Injury Frequency: 60
Fatigue Effect: 55
Charge/Block Foul Frequency: 50
Shooting Foul Frequency: 10
Reach-in Foul Frequency: 15
In-air Collision Foul Frequency: 60

User Sliders

User Steal Ability: 10
User Interception Ability: 10
User Shot Block Ability: 10
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 33 (makes it harder to score in the paint)
User Freestyle Effectiveness: 33
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency: 33
User Substitution Frequency: 0
User On-ball Defense Assist: 100
User Offensive Rebounding: 25
User Defensive Rebounding: 75
User Fakeout Discipline: 90
User Short Range Shooting: 30
User Medium Range Shooting: 45
User Long Range Shooting: 45

User Dunk Percentage: 0
User Lay-up Percentage: 0
User Adjusted Shot Percentage: 0

You and the CPU will still score on the inside at a regular rate, but not quite as successful as before because of the defense, positioning, etc.

User On-ball Defense: 100
User Poor Release Shot Percent: 10
User Double-team Effectiveness: 100
User Pro Hop Effectiveness: 33
User Drop Step Effectiveness: 33

CPU Sliders

CPU Steal Ability: 10
CPU Interception Ability: 10
CPU Shot Block Ability: 10
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 33
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness: 33
CPU Dunk Frequency: 33
CPU Substitution Frequency: 40
CPU Offensive Rebounding: 25
CPU Defensive Rebounding: 75
CPU Fakeout Discipline: 90
CPU Short Range Shooting: 30
CPU Medium Range Shooting: 45
CPU Long Range Shooting: 45
CPU Dunk Percentage: 0
CPU Lay-up Percentage: 0
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage: 0
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency: 10
CPU On-ball Defense: 100
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent: 10
CPU Double-team Effectiveness: 100
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness: 33
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness: 33
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Re: ParoXsitiC v1 - May 29, 05

Postby dizzin9 on Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:21 am

ParoXsitiC wrote:
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These are the most accurate and generalized sliders. They are a creation of 124 watched/simmed/played games all with players the same height and ratings. Tweaked to the finest detail and then compared to real statistics. Multiple linear regression results combined with linear weights of over 10 popular and recently updated sliders.

Optimized for 12 minutes & All Star

Other minute to Game speed settings(untested):
Min   Game Speed
12......41
11      49
10......59
9       70
8.......84
7       100

GLOBAL:

Game Speed.........................41
Free Throw Difficulty:             55
Boundary Force Field...............55
Injury Frequency:                  44
Fatigue Effect.....................52
Charge/Block Foul Frequency:       54
Shooting Foul Frequency............30
Reach-in Foul Frequency:           22
In-air Collision Foul Frequency....62

USER:

User Steal Ability.................36
User Interception Ability:         21
User Shot Block Ability.............5
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability:    14
User Freestyle Effectiveness.......38
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency:    29
User Substitution Frequency........40
User On-ball Defense Assist:       46
User Offensive Rebounding..........25
User Defensive Rebounding:         83
User Fakeout Discipline............97
User Short Range Shooting:         54
User Medium Range Shooting.........54
User Long Range Shooting:          49
User Dunk Percentage...............57
User Lay-up Percentage:            57
User Adjusted Shot Percentage......49
User On-ball Defense:              50
User Poor Release Shot Percent.....45
User Double-team Effectiveness:    50
User Pro Hop Effectiveness.........37
User Drop Step Effectiveness:      47

CPU:

CPU Steal Ability..................28
CPU Interception Ability:           8
CPU Shot Block Ability..............5
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability:     14
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness........36
CPU Dunk Frequency:                29
CPU Substitution Frequency.........50
CPU Offensive Rebounding:          33
CPU Defensive Rebounding...........73
CPU Fakeout Discipline:            70
CPU Short Range Shooting...........58
CPU Medium Range Shooting:         48
CPU Long Range Shooting............47
CPU Dunk Percentage:               54
CPU Lay-up Percentage..............54
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage:      47
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency........54
CPU On-ball Physical Defense:      42
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent......45
CPU Double-team Effectiveness:     50
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness..........47
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness:       47


i tried this one ... and still win big ... although yeah, when u watch it, the game is very realistic. im gonna try others too.
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Re: ParoXsitiC v1 - May 29, 05

Postby ignorantfool on Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:08 am

ParoXsitiC wrote:
Code: Select all
These are the most accurate and generalized sliders. They are a creation of 124 watched/simmed/played games all with players the same height and ratings. Tweaked to the finest detail and then compared to real statistics. Multiple linear regression results combined with linear weights of over 10 popular and recently updated sliders.

Optimized for 12 minutes & All Star

Other minute to Game speed settings(untested):
Min   Game Speed
12......41
11      49
10......59
9       70
8.......84
7       100

GLOBAL:

Game Speed.........................41
Free Throw Difficulty:             55
Boundary Force Field...............55
Injury Frequency:                  44
Fatigue Effect.....................52
Charge/Block Foul Frequency:       54
Shooting Foul Frequency............30
Reach-in Foul Frequency:           22
In-air Collision Foul Frequency....62

USER:

User Steal Ability.................36
User Interception Ability:         21
User Shot Block Ability.............5
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability:    14
User Freestyle Effectiveness.......38
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency:    29
User Substitution Frequency........40
User On-ball Defense Assist:       46
User Offensive Rebounding..........25
User Defensive Rebounding:         83
User Fakeout Discipline............97
User Short Range Shooting:         54
User Medium Range Shooting.........54
User Long Range Shooting:          49
User Dunk Percentage...............57
User Lay-up Percentage:            57
User Adjusted Shot Percentage......49
User On-ball Defense:              50
User Poor Release Shot Percent.....45
User Double-team Effectiveness:    50
User Pro Hop Effectiveness.........37
User Drop Step Effectiveness:      47

CPU:

CPU Steal Ability..................28
CPU Interception Ability:           8
CPU Shot Block Ability..............5
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability:     14
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness........36
CPU Dunk Frequency:                29
CPU Substitution Frequency.........50
CPU Offensive Rebounding:          33
CPU Defensive Rebounding...........73
CPU Fakeout Discipline:            70
CPU Short Range Shooting...........58
CPU Medium Range Shooting:         48
CPU Long Range Shooting............47
CPU Dunk Percentage:               54
CPU Lay-up Percentage..............54
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage:      47
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency........54
CPU On-ball Physical Defense:      42
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent......45
CPU Double-team Effectiveness:     50
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness..........47
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness:       47


can this sliders be used in superstar mode, and will i get good results?
i think all star mode is easy and i like the ai to be much challenging.
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Postby beau_boy04 on Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:41 pm

Friends -

Are these sliders for simulation or action?

Please advice.

Thank you in advance.
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Postby beau_boy04 on Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:01 pm

CrescentMoon wrote:yeah, there's no way around the blocking issue unless you mod everyone's blocking stat down.


I did that using DB Commander, basically lowering everybody 5 points and some others more than 5 that didn't fit my criteria. What I did was averaged the last 3 season from the top blockers and I came up with the following.

Theo 3.51 (last 3 seasons)
Ben Wallace 2.85 bpg
T Duncan 2.75
Kirilenko 2.75
Shaq 2.39

And I gave the following rating:

B Wallace 93
T Duncan 91
Camby and Theo 87
Shaq 85
Z 84
Kato and Brand 82
And so on.

I also took in account the durability of each players and that's why Theo didn't get the highest rating but Big Ben.
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Postby 2manu0 on Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:11 pm

hi i have a qeustion on what file to edit using dbcommander if I want to update my sliders... I have done this in the game but it changes everytime I open the game.. i dunno what is wrong....tnxx
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Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:17 pm

You need to save your settings. Sliders aren't stored in a DBF file.
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Postby 2manu0 on Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:10 am

it automatically saves the settings once you try to exit out of the gameplay settings window right? i click on yes to save but still there are times that it wont save.

can you tell me what exact file?

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Postby m.k on Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:12 am

i'm looking to a slider for 7 minuts on al-star level
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Postby 2manu0 on Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:17 am

m.k. I use andrew's v.2.0 and made a few tweaks (tweaks that fits you) and it worked fine with me. I play 7 mins all-star and I get an average of 60 ppg whether simulated or not. computer is very competitive. I had a game last night that ended after 2 ot's (I had to admit i'm not that good) I use spurs and it was against detroit in my spurs dynasty. (finals prediction heheh)

try it, (Y) you might enjoy it. :lol:
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Postby Andrew on Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:40 am

chris_reyes29 wrote:it automatically saves the settings once you try to exit out of the gameplay settings window right? i click on yes to save but still there are times that it wont save.

can you tell me what exact file?

thanks dude


Never encountered that problem, that is one way to save the settings (the game prompting you after changing the sliders). I'd suggest saving them again in Load/Save though.
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Postby beau_boy04 on Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:59 pm

Friends -

1. Hey guys so what is the answer? are these settings for simulation or action? or both?

2. And what are the sliders are being employed when you just want to watch a game CPU vs CPU?

I'll be looking forward for your inputs.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:22 am

1. Simulation, though if you were to change the Arcade sliders to these sets it wouldn't make a difference. That toggle option basically allows you to have two sets of sliders, one for realistic gameplay and one for arcade-style gameplay, that you can easily switch between without changing all the sliders.

2. Can't help you there, I only develop User vs CPU sliders.
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